Any serious Christians left?

A M, you overlook the simple fact that The Constitution guarantees Freedom of Religion for all - a circumstance which precludes any from imposing their religion on others. That which you advocate stands in contradiction to a bedrock principle of American Democracy, a principle written not merely in ink but in the blood of those who've given all to establish and defend The Constitution.

Of course, that such agenda would proceed from the demographic of which you are a constituant is unsurprising. Christians, not alone among relgigionists, pick, choose, and interpret from among their foundational writings as they see fit in light of whatever agenda they might at any one time care to press, and in the minds of such hypocrites, The Constitution provides no barrier to the agenda of the moment.

Of course as well, Freedom of Speech guarantees forum for the pressing of said agenda. That, however, in no way renders said agenda any less reprehensible.

Arella Mae wrote:

If God said something is wrong there is a reason for it. He didn't just make rules arbitrarily. The rules He made were for our benefit, though many don't see them that way I know.

I think that this is where we digress, intellectually. In order to comprehend what you have just written, I would have to believe:

There is a god.

He made rules for people to follow.

He made these rules for peoples' benefit.

I cannot make any sense of your premises.

If there is a supreme being wouldn't it naturally follow that He would make the rules that He would want us to live by?

ArellaMae wrote:

If there is a supreme being wouldn't it naturally follow that He would make the rules that He would want us to live by?

Why? That is a mighty big assumption on your part!

ArellaMae wrote:

If there is a supreme being wouldn't it naturally follow that He would make the rules that He would want us to live by?

Why? That is a mighty big assumption on your part!

Phoenix32890 wrote:

Arella Mae wrote:

If God said something is wrong there is a reason for it. He didn't just make rules arbitrarily. The rules He made were for our benefit, though many don't see them that way I know.

I think that this is where we digress, intellectually. In order to comprehend what you have just written, I would have to believe:

There is a god.

He made rules for people to follow.

He made these rules for peoples' benefit.

I cannot make any sense of your premises.

What's so hard to make sense of Phoenix? If there is a supreme being wouldn't it naturally follow that He would make the rules that He would want us to live by? Wouldn't that be His right as the Creator? But like you said, first, you would have to believe there is a god.

Meaning, it's a God, who is much like an old man.

Dr. S... You've got it. One statement does not follow logically from the other. Then again, the entire concept of a god, and what he "wants" makes absolutely no sense to me.

edgarblythe wrote:

Meaning, it's a God, who is much like an old man.

Well edgar, I'm starting to get the idea that somehow that is how you see God because that's sure not how I see him. :wink:

Of course, for me it would be a logical thought because I do believe in God and I believe that He created us and made the rules, etc. And, of course, I would think it is pretty logical for me to ask someone else what they meant when I don't understand what they meant. Hmmm, seems to me that's what a conversation is about? Exchanging ideas, thoughts, etc.? :wink:

I was having a conversation you know like exchanging ideas, thoughts with my neighbor this morning and she said to me "I saw the sun set in the west last evening and rise in the east this morning so, logically, I concluded that the sun circles the earth." I said "yeah, that's logical but it's also wrong."