Any serious Christians left?

Arella.

Your rights are not in question. Your beliefs are in question.

You obviously have the right to keep your beliefs all to yourself, but why would you?

I have not asked anyone on this forum to accept my beliefs. Not once!

maporsche wrote:

Arella Mae wrote:

And if it offends me, then it does concern me and since you are the one that caused the offense I'd say that is between me and you :wink: .

What was between me and you was the improper use of YOUR name. Which you'll notice I've corrected.

The improper use of god's name is between god and myself.

If you're offended, then that only concerns you, I did not cause the offense, you did. I may have offended god, but that is not the same as offending you. You have the sole power to choose what you will and will not be offended at.

I am offended when anyone uses vulgar language. I consider what you did vulgar language; therefore, you offended me by using it.

echi wrote:

Arella.

Your rights are not in question. Your beliefs are in question.

You obviously have the right to keep your beliefs all to yourself, but why would you?

If you want me to keep them to myself, stop asking me questions! It's a two way street here, Echi.

So should I then say that others trying to convince me that I am wrong is imposing their beliefs on me? Are they trying to get me to accept what they believe? :wink:

Arella Mae wrote:

So should I then say that others trying to convince me that I am wrong is imposing their beliefs on me? Are they trying to get me to accept what they believe? :wink:

Irrelevant; what others may or may not have done has nothing to do with your having been shown to have done precisely that you said you had not done.

Arella Mae wrote:

echi wrote:

Arella.

Your rights are not in question. Your beliefs are in question.

You obviously have the right to keep your beliefs all to yourself, but why would you?

If you want me to keep them to myself, stop asking me questions! It's a two way street here, Echi.

Please read it again.

echi wrote:

Arella.

Your rights are not in question. Your beliefs are in question.

You obviously have the right to keep your beliefs all to yourself, but why would you?

I honestly do not understand why the simplicity of this is escaping so many. But I am going to try with YOU this one last time.

I never said this was about my right to vote! It is about my right to vote using whatever decision process I choose in voting on an issue, ANY ISSUE! And as long as you or anyone else tells me I have to vote in a certain way or keep a certain thing in mind, then yes, you are trying to take away my right!

I am not giving up my right to vote my conscience for someone else's right, which is exactly what I would be doing if I voted for something I do not agree with, condone, believe in, like or whatever word you would put to it. Everyone's rights are of EQUAL value! EQUAL!

I have not asked anyone on this forum to accept my beliefs. Not once! If you have questions about my faith I do try to answer them. But you cannot deny that some pretty nasty things have been said because of "what I believe in". Now, how does that differ from making derogatory statements about someone's gender? Race? or Sexual Preference? And please don't give me that line about it's because religion is a choice. I don't care to hear it. It's a choice, yes. One I have made.

I can't tell you how many times I've heard that Christians should be locked up, shot, etc. for their beliefs. People think Christianity is dangerous so they want to wipe Christians off the face of the earth. Now, if these statements don't apply to you specifically (or anyone else specifically) then don't take them to heart.

echi wrote:

Arella Mae wrote:

echi wrote:

Arella.

Your rights are not in question. Your beliefs are in question.

You obviously have the right to keep your beliefs all to yourself, but why would you?

If you want me to keep them to myself, stop asking me questions! It's a two way street here, Echi.

Please read it again.

Like I said, I'm done. I tried. You understand or you don't.

Arella, please try to understand. I have never told you that you have to vote in any certain way. I have not told you what to believe. In no way have I attempted to take away your rights.

I am only trying to understand why you believe what you believe and why you would vote a certain way on certain issues. That's part of living in a democratic society, and I assumed that was the reason for your participation on these forums.

When I have asked you to help me understand your reasoning, you usually respond by stating that it is your belief, or that you don't agree, or can't condone, or whatever. But you fail to answer my question. What's more, you seem to not even understand the question. Do you understand, now?

If you don't mean it to apply to me, specifically, then why did you include it in your response to my post?

You obviously have the right to keep your beliefs all to yourself, but why would you?

Please read it again, SLOWLY.

Arella Mae.
What are you frighten of ?. Do you fear if you were to question your beliefs in the bible is from the fear of what your god will do to you, or is it the fear, that accepting a logical, reasonable statement as the truth about your beliefs, will kill your god off ?

Arella Mae.
What are you frighten of ?. Do you fear if you were to question your beliefs in the bible is from the fear of what your god will do to you, or is it the fear, that accepting a logical, reasonable statement as the truth about your beliefs, will kill your god off ?

You're as blind as a bat; your attempt to take away rights of others is the issue; not your right to vote.

From the very same people who insist that they live in the land of the free. Free as long as you agree with them, I suppose.

Intrepid wrote:

From the very same people who insist that they live in the land of the free. Free as long as you agree with them, I suppose.

How about free to fight against the type of oppression the 'moral majority' represents?