Any serious Christians left?

When I refer to Arella May below, I am referencing Christians in general
Arella Mae knows the only true word of god.
Arella Mae knows that 4.5 billion people will burn in hell (or whatever).
Arella Mae knows that she will not burn in hell.
Arella Mae knows that every other religion is false.
Arella Mae knows that her morals are better than mine (her's come from god, who is apparently perfect)
Arella Mae knows that I was born a bad person, and continue to be a bad person (original sin, and subsequent sins).

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maporsche wrote:

Intrepid wrote:

The problem seems to be a vindictiveness against AM by maporsche. maporsche has admitted to what has been said, but still insists that AM has an agenda different that anyone else.

I am not sure whether the word superior should be used, but each would certainly think that they are right. Why can't it just be left at that?

I've left it at that. I was just responding to RL, who apparently didn't read the entire thread.

maporsche, you have not left it. You still insist that I feel other than I do. I accept you feel as you have said you feel. Why can't you accept that I feel as I feel? I am honestly asking you this because I really do not undertand why you don't accept what I am telling you when they are my thoughts and feelings.

I guess I don't accept what you are saying to be true, because I am apparently unable to understand how your beliefs don't go hand in hand with a feeling of superiority. Allow me to explain why I think that:

You say you have the understanding of the Ultimate Truth. That Ultimate Truth is the god of the bible. You and the followers of the Theory of Christianity claim to have the truth over 4.5 billion other people. You may say that the bible makes this claim, but you have indeed chosen to believe in the bible, so it is your claim as well. Everyone but the believers of your religion will burn in hell, or be without god's presence, or whatever your sect of the Theory of Christianity believes. So to recap.

When I refer to Arella May below, I am referencing Christians in general
Arella Mae knows the only true word of god.
Arella Mae knows that 4.5 billion people will burn in hell (or whatever).
Arella Mae knows that she will not burn in hell.
Arella Mae knows that every other religion is false.
Arella Mae knows that her morals are better than mine (her's come from god, who is apparently perfect)
Arella Mae knows that I was born a bad person, and continue to be a bad person (original sin, and subsequent sins).


These are pretty superior sounding statement, if not superior than at least give me arrogant.

So, Arella Mae, while you may indeed hold on that you don't feel superior, I will continue to believe that you do at least on some level of your psyche, simply because I cannot comprehend how the arrogance of your chosen religion does not automatically come with a superoity complex. I don't think you are lying to all of us, but I do think you are lying to yourself.

I will leave it at that if you like and if you choose we don't have to discuss it any further, but I don't think we'll ever agree.

Arella Mae knows the only true word of god.

Arella Mae knows that 4.5 billion people will burn in hell (or whatever).

Arella Mae knows that she will not burn in hell.

Arella Mae knows that every other religion is false.

Arella Mae knows that her morals are better than mine (her's come from god, who is apparently perfect)

Arella Mae knows that I was born a bad person, and continue to be a bad person (original sin, and subsequent sins).

maporche wrote:

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When I refer to Arella May below, I am referencing Christians in general
Arella Mae knows the only true word of god.
Arella Mae knows that 4.5 billion people will burn in hell (or whatever).
Arella Mae knows that she will not burn in hell.
Arella Mae knows that every other religion is false.
Arella Mae knows that her morals are better than mine (her's come from god, who is apparently perfect)
Arella Mae knows that I was born a bad person, and continue to be a bad person (original sin, and subsequent sins).

I will not post on this particular topic after I say this. Since you indicate that you are referencing "Christians in general" with your reply, you have included me and several others.

I can absolutely say that your summation does not apply to me, as a Christian, and probably many, many Christians.

There is no way for us to know that we will go to heaven until we either arrive or don't.

There is absolutely no way for us to know who will and won't go to heaven.

But you do know that there is no way that I will go to heaven because I do not accept JC as my savior, RIGHT? Your bible says this is true.

There is absolutely no way we can know if our morals are any different or better than anybody elses. Christian or non.

Your bible tells you what is morally true. The ultimate moral truth as told by your god. Assuming that my morals are different than those that god has dictated to you, then is it possible that my morals are more true than gods? If you believe that the morals as told in the bible are true, and are god's word, and I can assure you that my morals are different than the bibles, is there any possibility that my morals are better or more true than gods?

We were ALL born with original sin. Therefore, we started out exactly like you did.

I was not born a bad person or with sin. You, or Christians, are telling me that I was.

bleh, bleh, bleh..... That's All Folks

Actually, maporsche I am glad that I asked because there seems to be a lot more to it than I was gathering from what you posted. So, let me try to address each of the above statements. However, the one thing I think you need to NOT do is generalize. That, I believe, is a big problem with religion and a lot of other things in the world today. Things, people, situations, etc., need to be taken on their own face value and not based on generalities. So, with that said, that is how I will address these: from MY OWN PERSONAL standpoint (caps for emphasis only):

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Arella Mae knows the only true word of god.

First of all, I don't believe I ever claimed this. What I have stated is I don't think anyone (person, religion, etc.) has 100% of the 100% truth. I can only tell you that what I do understand I do understand it to be truth, but I am willing to be taught and if I am in error over something and it is pointed out to me I can adjust my thinking.

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Arella Mae knows that 4.5 billion people will burn in hell (or whatever).

I really get the impression from some that they think Christians run around all day thinking to ourselves, "Oh that one is going to hell or that one is going to heaven." This is so not the case. Do I consciously think about that? It may be a fleeting thought when someone says they don't accept Jesus as the Saviour but I say a prayer about it and give it to God. If they want to discuss it fine then we do. If they don't, well, then it's forgotten and left in God's hands.

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Arella Mae knows that she will not burn in hell.

I cannot deny that statement because that is what I am promised in the Bible. However, it still doesn't make me superior to you or anyone else on the face of the planet. I made the choice that was right for ME.

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Arella Mae knows that every other religion is false.

I don't believe I have ever said that. Not one time. I am one that believes that there will be people saved from all denominations (much to the chagrin of some Christians I know, believe me). Now, if they don't have Jesus Christ as their Saviour, then yes, I do consider them false religions (Muslim, Buddhists, etc.). According to the Bible, that is what they are. And I would imagine that those in those religions believe my religion is false? So? That's what they believe and it has no effect on my life.

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Arella Mae knows that her morals are better than mine (her's come from god, who is apparently perfect)

I don't believe I said that either maporsche. We may have different morals but I don't recall saying mine were better than yours or anyone else's. That's not my place nor within my authority to decide that. God makes those decisions, not me. Now, it's true I decide who I want to associate with and their morals are surely part of that decision, just as I imagine it would be with you? If you decide not to associate with someone because of something you don't like about them or their life, do you consider yourself superior to them?

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Arella Mae knows that I was born a bad person, and continue to be a bad person (original sin, and subsequent sins).

I do? How the heck do I know that? I don't even know you, maporsche. All I know of you is what you post on this forum. How could I ever make that decision, if I would? We all sin maporsche. For ALL have sinned....seems to me that makes us equal.

I really do appreciate you taking the time to spell all that out for me because it really did make me wonder why, even though I told you I didn't, you still thought I felt that way. I hope that this will help you understand a bit more why I don't feel superior to you or anyone else. Do I think I chose the right way? Of course I do otherwise I wouldn't have chosen it. But is it superior? No, it's just different than yours.

Thanx again.

I give up. You don't accept that I feel the way that I feel so I'm done. Thank you for your time.

Arella Mae wrote:

I give up. You don't accept that I feel the way that I feel so I'm done. Thank you for your time.

I accept that you feel the way you do. I just have a hard time understanding why, and like I said earler, I'll probably never understand it.

But so be it. I'm done too, it was fun while it lasted.

maporsche.

What is the deal? If you wanna pick a fight with some Christians, let me tell you, I'm all for it. I got your back. But I don't see any fight, here.

Generally speaking (of course), Christians believe they have made the best decision (superior, if you like). In no way does that necessarily mean that they regard themselves as being superior to non-Christians. In order for you to believe that, wouldn't you have to believe that Christians measure their self-worth exclusively by their decision making abilities?

echi wrote:

maporsche.

What is the deal? If you wanna pick a fight with some Christians, let me tell you, I'm all for it. I got your back. But I don't see any fight, here.

Generally speaking (of course), Christians believe they have made the best decision (superior, if you like). In no way does that necessarily mean that they regard themselves as being superior to non-Christians. In order for you to believe that, wouldn't you have to believe that Christians measure their self-worth exclusively by their decision making abilities?

I'm not trying to fight, but I think I've made some pretty strong points that the Christian positions on life after death and morality strongly imply a feeling of superiority or at the very least extreme arrogance.

I also believe that many Chrisitans will disagree with me, but their disagreement does not make me wrong.

And as far as measuring their self-worth on their decision making abilities I would refer you to a specific comment that AM made about things being decided by the god of the bible, or saying something like 'god made the rules'. I think many Christian's will push that responsibility to god and trust in god's judgement.......and they will ignore the fact that they CHOSE the believe in the god of the bible.

I'm not trying to fight, but I think I've made some pretty strong points that the Christian positions on life after death and morality strongly imply a feeling of superiority or at the very least extreme arrogance.

I also believe that many Chrisitans will disagree with me, but their disagreement does not make me wrong.

And as far as measuring their self-worth on their decision making abilities I would refer you to a specific comment that AM made about things being decided by the god of the bible, or saying something like 'god made the rules'. I think many Christian's will push that responsibility to god and trust in god's judgement.......and they will ignore the fact that they CHOSE the believe in the god of the bible.

I am also beginning to think that you have a sense of inferiority and that is why you are so fixed on this item of superiority.