Any serious Christians left?

Arella Mae wrote:

Well, all I can say is this: I'm not going to lie to you and tell you I feel superior to you or anyone else when I don't. Do I tell you that you feel superior because you don't believe? Nope. Hmmm, could be because I believe this is something each individual decides for themself and that is between them and God and I have no right or reason to think either of us are superior to the other.

I guess my point is that you must know that you position is superior to my position otherwise you would follow my position (or you would be doing yourself a disservice).

Whether you feel superior or not is irrelevant, the fact is that you know your position is superior to mine (I would argue that my position is superior to yours).

If you liked the Green Bay Packers and I liked the Dallas Cowboys does that make either of us superior to the other? Nope. Same thing.

Very much NOT the same thing, and you know it.

Damn, maporsche. You think you might have pretty much beat this thing enough?

Oh, and sorry if I butted in where I was not welcome. Just thought I might be able to throw some additional light on this particular tug of war.

Maporsche, if it makes you happy, I believe my choice to believe in Christ is superior to your choice not to believe in the same manner that you think your choice not to believe is superior to mine. We both think we are right and following the proper path for our life. If I thought your choice was superior, then I would be pretty stupid to believe as I do.

But none of that leads to the conclusion that I think I am superior to you simply because I am a Christian. And that seems to be what you keep trying to insist on with Arella Mae. Just because she obviously must think her choice is better or superior to your choice (otherwise she would not have chosen it for herself) does not lead to the conclusion that she is a superior person.

Now that we've needlessly beaten this dead horse, what can we turn our attention to next?

Maporsche, if it makes you happy, I believe my choice to believe in Christ is superior to your choice not to believe in the same manner that you think your choice not to believe is superior to mine. We both think we are right and following the proper path for our life. If I thought your choice was superior, then I would be pretty stupid to believe as I do.

But none of that leads to the conclusion that I think I am superior to you simply because I am a Christian. And that seems to be what you keep trying to insist on with Arella Mae. Just because she obviously must think her choice is better or superior to your choice (otherwise she would not have chosen it for herself) does not lead to the conclusion that she is a superior person.

Now that we've needlessly beaten this dead horse, what can we turn our attention to next?

CoastalRat wrote:

Maporsche, if it makes you happy, I believe my choice to believe in Christ is superior to your choice not to believe in the same manner that you think your choice not to believe is superior to mine. We both think we are right and following the proper path for our life. If I thought your choice was superior, then I would be pretty stupid to believe as I do.

But none of that leads to the conclusion that I think I am superior to you simply because I am a Christian. And that seems to be what you keep trying to insist on with Arella Mae. Just because she obviously must think her choice is better or superior to your choice (otherwise she would not have chosen it for herself) does not lead to the conclusion that she is a superior person.

Now that we've needlessly beaten this dead horse, what can we turn our attention to next?

CR-- If she thinks everyone who doesn't share her beliefs is going to hell--she believes she's superior. And she does believe that.

If she runs about amassing an army to join up here to fight a war with longstanding members of this forum because her religion is not treated the way she thinks it should be, she believes her religion merits special treatment--hence it and she are superior and should prevail.

If she just said "I knew the baby's name was Jesus, not Jesu" she negates even other religion's pronunciation of the name of the Christ Child, and she again has delusions of superiority.

I thought you summed it up pretty well, CR.

If christians - Arella in this case - didn't think their choice to believe as they do to be superior, they wouldn't choose it. Just as those who do not choose that way must believe their way superior. I think thinking oneself "better than" others, is a whole 'nother thing.

And I think that's what Arella has been saying. I don't see her going around telling people they're going to hell, or other condemnations of their choices. If she is cornered into saying it by people who for some reason like to keep making this point, she will say that that yes, christians believe that theirs is the one narrow way to avoid hell.

I have a sister who believes exactly like Arella, and when the whole "believe as I do, or else" piece comes up, it is tense. But we don't have to keep making that same point over and over again. Why would I keep challenging her on it, if I know what her answer must inevitably be - except to intentionally stoke the fires of conflict?

... this is so stupid! .... Who cares!

Okay, guess we are back to playing the game of indirectly directly talking to each other.

No, freakshow. I'm talking to someone else. Coastal Rat is a person and I was addressing his comment. The world does not revolve around you--try to absorb that. If I wanted to address you, I damn well would as I'm doing now. You're the only one who plays games. Had you not made some sacred vow (like all your other ones-- that you knew you couldn't keep), you wouldn't make a fool of yourself so often when you prove yourself to be a liar ..
I have never said such a thing! There are plenty of Christians that believe if you don't believe exactly as they do you will go to hell but I'm not one of them.
Liar.
What I have said is the Bible says if you don't accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour then you go to hell. I stated what the BIBLE says. That is as far as I have ever gone concerning this subject.
If you don't believe what's in the Bible why do you say you're a Christian?

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If she runs about amassing an army to join up here to fight a war with longstanding members of this forum because her religion is not treated the way she thinks it should be, she believes her religion merits special treatment--hence it and she are superior and should prevail.

See? Herein lies the problem. It's not my religion that is disrespected, it is God.
You think god is too pansy to take up for himself? He needs some backwater basket case to keep him holy?And we've been through this mess so many times I'm sure everyone is as sick of it as I am. [/color]
You made the mess. Why don't you clean it up?

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If she just said "I knew the baby's name was Jesus, not Jesu" she negates even other religion's pronunciation of the name of the Christ Child, and she again has delusions of superiority.

Guess SHE missed the part where I said I was in 2nd, 3rd, or 4th grade? At that age, I ONLY knew Jesus' name to be Jesus. I had never heard Him called anything else.
And you are operating with the same second grade mentality. You still think you know everything--and you know NOTHING.