How can you not believe in evolution? Also ideas on Genesis

It was practical to whom? Because for it to be "practical" wouldn't there have needed to be someone to whom it was "practical" to make the bluejay blue? And if it was practical to "someone"... well who was that someone? Who made that decision?

I know the point you're trying to prove, and failing to do so.

You want to prove that science cannot answer a question like "why is a bluejay blue", and that the reason must therefore be "magic" or a god if you wish, simply because you lack the answer.

That is the whole reason faith in gods developed in the first place. In every instance where the lack of an obvious answer exists, a god was assumed to be the cause. Half of the planet still thinks gods are creating the weather, despite meteorological science.

Your point fails because science can answer the question of why a bluejay is blue. If you wanted to know the answer you would have tracked down the book I posted.

Your point also fails because even if science did not have the answer, it would prove absolutely nothing about what you presume to be the answer...your magical being's super powers.

As for Gorillas and Humans, stop dumbing things down. Both exist today and both had a common ancestral species at some point. So did Humans and Mice.

from CNN:
Mice and humans each have about 30,000 genes, yet only 300 are unique to either organism. Both even have genes for a tail, even though it's not "switched on" in humans.

"About 99 percent of genes in humans have counterparts in the mouse," said Eric Lander, Director of the Whitehead Institute Center for Genomic Research in Cambridge, Massachusetts. "Eighty percent have identical, one-to-one counterparts."

The mouse is the only mammal, after the human, whose genome has been sequenced. The rodent's genetic sequence was published in this week's edition of Nature Magazine.

Why do you imagine your god gave us genes for a tail, and then switched it off?

That someone was the bluejay. And it didn't make that decision. The blue color merely gave it an edge, and that made the bluejay more suited to survive than an eventual purplejay.

Take the example of the Tsetse flies. They are the carriers of malaria, and so there have been waged campaigns to rid the world of them. Habitats were sprayed with poisons that would exterminate the flies, but after being exposed to the toxins some specimens started developing resistance. New generations were born resistant to the chemicals.

Same with many bacteria and viruses that cause more or less serious diseases and illnesses. They are evolving and becoming resistant to the drugs we use for treatment. Why? Because every organism has a desire to live, and when the pressure is on it will either adapt or die trying.

Your point also fails because even if science did not have the answer, it would prove absolutely nothing about what you presume to be the answer...your magical being's super powers.

Eorl wrote:

Your point also fails because even if science did not have the answer, it would prove absolutely nothing about what you presume to be the answer...your magical being's super powers.

Heh... I missed this. While we're at it, why don't you point out to me where I asserted within this conversation that any of this has to do with "my magical being's super powers."

It was practical to whom? Because for it to be "practical" wouldn't there have needed to be someone to whom it was "practical" to make the bluejay blue? And if it was practical to "someone"... well who was that someone? Who made that decision?

Could it be...


Perhaps...



God?

hephzibah wrote:

Eorl wrote:

Your point also fails because even if science did not have the answer, it would prove absolutely nothing about what you presume to be the answer...your magical being's super powers.

Heh... I missed this. While we're at it, why don't you point out to me where I asserted within this conversation that any of this has to do with "my magical being's super powers."

Was it because of this?

hephzibah wrote:

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It was practical to whom? Because for it to be "practical" wouldn't there have needed to be someone to whom it was "practical" to make the bluejay blue? And if it was practical to "someone"... well who was that someone? Who made that decision?

Could it be...


Perhaps...



God?

f you are thinking it was because of my question to Cyracuz your wrong because I was being facetious based on what HE said.

wikipedia again:

"As with other blue-hued birds, the Blue Jay's coloration is not derived by pigments, but is the result of light refraction due to the internal structure of the feathers; if a Blue Jay feather is crushed, the blue disappears as the structure is destroyed. This is referred to as structural coloration."

Is that it?

wandeljw wrote:

Was it because of this?

hephzibah wrote:

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It was practical to whom? Because for it to be "practical" wouldn't there have needed to be someone to whom it was "practical" to make the bluejay blue? And if it was practical to "someone"... well who was that someone? Who made that decision?

Could it be...


Perhaps...



God?

Uh Nope:

hephzibah wrote:

f you are thinking it was because of my question to Cyracuz your wrong because I was being facetious based on what HE said.

My point still remains as follows:

It takes a measure of faith to believe ANY of the theories out there. There is no single theory or idea that mankind has come up with that can absolutely prove everything beyond the shadow of a doubt.

The color in feathers is caused either by pigments or light refraction on the structure of the feathers called structural colors. Only one bird, Touracos, contain green pigmentation in their feathers. Green feathers are caused by a combination of yellow pigment and the refraction of light on the structure of the feather. In blue-jays, the feather barbs contain three layers of melanin-containing cells. Air-filled cavities in these cells scatter blue light and absorb the longer red wavelengths. Thus, the blue is reflected into the eyes.

Birds acquire their color from pigments collected from the environment. Red, orange and yellow colors are usually derived from carotenoids (such as occur in carrots). These compounds occur naturally in seeds and fruits, but can be scarce in the wild. Accordingly, individuals must invest time and energy in finding sufficient quantities. Because individuals differ in their ability to find and metabolize these pigments, we see a range of color variation within a species. It is important to note that bright coloration, on its own, is rarely directly related to survival and reproduction. Rather, bright coloration is an indicator of high quality individuals that are also good foragers and are in good health. On average, females tend to select males that have brighter plumage to gain access to a bright males' foraging ability and genes. Thus, males that are able to maintain bright plumage tend to reproduce more than do less brightly-colored males. This pattern is common in many species of birds, as well as in mammals and other vertebrates.