hephzibah,
Thanks for being honest about your thinking. My only advice is that you should avoid extremes. One extreme is hostility towards science. The other would be hostility towards religion. In my opinion, science and religion both have value. Religion searches for "absolute truths". Science searches for limited, technical truths about how the natural world operates.
Hehe, say that ten times fast! So anyway, thank you. 
Better late than never, eh? Hehe... Don't you think it is ridiculous to argue with people about evolution if you don't even know what you think it is? Being wrong is one thing--we're all wrong about stuff--but refusing to even define it for yourself is outrageous--when you are arguing with others about what it is.
Don't you think so? Not wanting to attack you--but, trying to show this conversation to you through my eyes.
Religion shouldn't make anyone afraid of facts.
It's easy to not believe something that you think is a load of crap. Just ask all the "non-christians" that post here.
Seriously... I know I don't have a lot of knowledge about it. *shrugs* I know what I was taught in school though. Obviously THAT'S changed quite a bit in the last 17 to 20 years. However... Of course I can question if it's true or not. It's not one bit different than some of the "non-christians" who question religion having never stepped foot in a church or opened a bible, to actually READ it as something more that a story.
People tend to shape their personal "theory's" based on what other people tell them is right whether anyone wants to admit that or not. But who are we in the ultimate scheme of things? Are we really anything more than a speck of dust... here today gone tomorrow? WHO are we? No matter what theory you believe we are still nothing.
If evolution... well eventually we'll evolve into something else and what we are now will be forgotten.
If religion... well the God that created us will come back, do all the things He said He would, and this life we live now will become non-existent.
So what's the point then? Really...
Second of all at no point have I "dismissed" anything. Just because I say I think it's a load of crap doesn't mean I'm not willing to hear anything about it. I just may not agree in the end. But who knows... I could...
If I have questions about it I'll ask and even consider what I'm told... Maybe even do some research of my own if I'm THAT interested.
My point Eorl is that it takes a measure of faith to believe ANY of the theories out there. There is no single theory or idea that mankind has come up with that can absolutely prove everything beyond the shadow of a doubt.
Heph.
You seem to think I'm attacking your lack of knowledge. I'm not. I'm merely trying to get you--a person who expends a great deal of energy discussing and arguing about evolution --to once and for all give a simple sentence describing WHAT you think evolution is.
I'm not looking for a right answer or a wrong answer--but just whatever answer you have floating around in your head.
Your refusal to give the simplest answer is a very transparent dodge of the issue.
I can't believe you think I'll answer any question of yours as long as you continue to refuse to answer a question central to this thread and the discussion of evolution. I likely don't know a whole lot more about evolution than you do--but I do know what comes to mind when I hear the word--and so do you.
You write reams of bs avoiding the issue.
How do you justify clogging up the thread with your non-responses and waffling when you won't even take a stab at sharing your own opinion of the definition?
When someone says "evolution" what do you think they mean? You DO know the answer to that.
What are you afraid of?
I'm sorry Lash. I hope my telling you that didn't hurt your feelings because that's not my intention at all. I realize I should still give you the benefit of the doubt regardless of what's happened in the past. So having admitted all that I'm willing to do it, and to apologize for harboring bad feelings towards you.
Your welcome. Thank you for understanding.
Yes, I can agree that evolution of at least some organisms has been proven, right.
Nope. Not too bad at all.
I'm glad we can and are willing to move past what happened before.
For the moment I have to go. But I would like to continue this with you at some point over the next few days. Though I'm getting into the hectic part of my schedule starting tomorrow and won't be back around again until the end of the week probably. Working three jobs is much more exhausting than I imagined it would be. I'm not a spring chicken anymore that is for sure! I'll try to catch up again as soon as I can though.
Thanks.
Jason, arrogance does not become you. :wink:
You have got to be one of the most arrogant people I have ever met.
How would you know if I wouldn't understand what "logical," "physical," nor "evidence" are that would satisfiy any of my criteria?
You haven't given me any.
And furthermore how do you know what my criteria is?
You are all about making assumptions without justifying anything you say.
You just lay it out there...
BLAH.
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH...
Pretty soon that's all I'm going to hear when you talk if you keep it up mister.
It takes the brain of a chimpanzee to evolve into a human being's huh? Well at least you explained why you're in your current position finally.
BWAAAAAAA HAHAHA!
Gotcha. :wink:
Since you would not understand what "proof" nor "evidence" is, I'll show you this comment is evidence of you inability to have understood the theory of evolution back in school. I don't need to assume that .you just proved it.
Errrr... apparently you aren't yet skilled in realizing when someone is being sarcastic with you.
You need to work on that buddy ol pal. You dish it out pretty well though. I gotta hand it to you.
You're lucky I like you Jason. Otherwise I'd have to kick your butt right about now.
hephzibah wrote:Your welcome. Thank you for understanding.
Yes, I can agree that evolution of at least some organisms has been proven, right.
Nope. Not too bad at all.
I'm glad we can and are willing to move past what happened before.
For the moment I have to go. But I would like to continue this with you at some point over the next few days. Though I'm getting into the hectic part of my schedule starting tomorrow and won't be back around again until the end of the week probably. Working three jobs is much more exhausting than I imagined it would be. I'm not a spring chicken anymore that is for sure! I'll try to catch up again as soon as I can though.
Thanks.
Hey Heph,
I just noticed your sig line. I first heard that quote when I saw the movie "Akeelah and the Bee", about a little girl who wins the national spelling bee after being mentored and inspired by a great teacher. I didn't even know who Marianne Williamson was- I think they actually gave credit to Nelson Mandela for the quote in the movie.
But its a marvelous quote.
Congratulations on the jobs!
The money should start rolling in any day now! I'll be independent again soon! Yippie! 
hephzibah wrote:
Jason, arrogance does not become you. :wink:
hephzibah wrote:
You have got to be one of the most arrogant people I have ever met.
I was expecting to be the most arrogant person you ever met am I only one of the most arrogant people ?
hephzibah wrote:
How would you know if I wouldn't understand what "logical," "physical," nor "evidence" are that would satisfiy any of my criteria?
You're giving me proof that you don't understand the theory of evolution, much less understand a more profound argument you don't accept anything as evidence unless it is linked to the paranormal.
hephzibah wrote:
You haven't given me any.
If you understood the theory of evolution, I didn't have to "give you any"
hephzibah wrote:
And furthermore how do you know what my criteria is?
I don't know what your criteria is that's why I said, that nothing that seems logical is meeting your criteria thus my comment.
hephzibah wrote:
You are all about making assumptions without justifying anything you say.
Am I ? So, you're telling me that what I've said so far about you ain't the truth?
hephzibah wrote:
You just lay it out there...
Whatever
hephzibah wrote:
BLAH.
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH...
Pretty soon that's all I'm going to hear when you talk if you keep it up mister.
That's exactly what I'm hearing from you now it's a little bit difficult to decipher such complex language
hephzibah wrote:
It takes the brain of a chimpanzee to evolve into a human being's huh? Well at least you explained why you're in your current position finally.
BWAAAAAAA HAHAHA!
Is this supposed to be a punch line?
hephzibah wrote:
Gotcha. :wink:
Since you would not understand what "proof" nor "evidence" is, I'll show you this comment is evidence of you inability to have understood the theory of evolution back in school. I don't need to assume that .you just proved it.
hephzibah wrote:
Errrr... apparently you aren't yet skilled in realizing when someone is being sarcastic with you.
I try to not to assume anything when it comes to discussing the supernatural with people of the Bible.
hephzibah wrote:
You need to work on that buddy ol pal. You dish it out pretty well though. I gotta hand it to you.
What?
hephzibah wrote:
You're lucky I like you Jason. Otherwise I'd have to kick your butt right about now.
Kick whose butt? I try to cure you from your mental disease and that's what I get in return violence? Violence does not become you oh, wait
Heph, you are such a fighter. Gotta like that.....
aperson
Jason and heph are discussing the discussion they've been having. That's pretty much it. Evolution kind of went from being debated to just happening.
It's actually somewhere in the middle of a discussion, an argument, and just plain running each other in circles for no apparent reason... heph
While arrogance may be unbecoming of mr Proudmore, I'd say that his name definitely becomes his arrogance
No offence intended Jason.
I'm curious btw.
What is the 'official' definition of 'evolution'?
Also, I think I met your twin today. I work at a gas station in the mornings and this guy comes in every day. I kept looking at him thinking, "Gee... he looks SO familiar. Where have I seen him before?" Then this morning it hit me! I was like, "HEEEEY! It's Cyracuz!" LOL aperson wrote:Lovely.
Can some one tell me what's going on?
Hephzibah is having fun with your topic but she apologized for hijacking your thread.
