THE DANGER OF GUN-FREE SCHOOL ZONES

However, gun control does help.

The ordinary citizen does not need a handgun, the possession of which should be banned for the ordinary person.

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With so many guns floating around,
it is difficult to keep them away from criminals and those mentally defective.

DIFFICULT ??
It is ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE.

Not even IN PRISON have thay been able to keep guns away
from criminals, including the ones that thay have made themselves.
The guards hear a loud noise,
and see a lot of blood near a criminal who has accidentally shot himself.

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However, gun control does help.

The predatory criminal will not commit his crime of choice until
he has provided himself with the necessary tools.
Gun control helps the criminal to have defenseless prey
( the prey being citizens who fanatically value obeying the law, ABOVE their own lives ).

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Why make it easier for them to get the guns by abolishing gun control?

Because if u restore the way it was in the early 1900s,
then the victims will be armed in their own defense,
and it will be too risky and dangerous for criminals to prey upon them.

When the citizen created government on this continent, after the House of Hanover was thrown out,
that government was NOT created so that the citizens who created it
wud be screwed out of their rights to defend their lives.
( Note that they did not even create a police dept until the 1800s. )

Even if thay had FORGOTTEN to put the right to possess guns
in the Bill of Rights, or if thay had deemed it too obvious,
EVERY PERSON
STILL HAD A NATURAL MORAL RIGHT TO DEFEND HIS OR HER LIFE AND PROPERTY.

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Regarding this, authorities seize many thousands of guns, especially
handguns, every year, which are then unavailable to criminals, et al.

Is that like saying that thay seize 1000s of tons of marijuana,
heroin and PCP, which is therefore unavailable,
so thay can 't get any more ??

or that in the 1920s,
when thay raided breweries and speak ez s
thay seized a lot of hootch so that it was UNAVAILABLE
no one had it anymore and the Prohibition was a Success ??

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The ordinary citizen does not need a handgun,
the possession of which should be banned for the ordinary person.

The ordinary citizen has become a victim of crime.
Sometimes, the ordinary citizen was killed in that crime,
because he obeyed a gun control law.
We are a tool making species; that 's how we rose to the top of the food chain.
We need TOOLS to get a job done.
In this case, a handgun is the best tool for personal defense.

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Dave, your interpretation of A2 is all wet.

baloney !

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I once posted a scholarly article that stated that the founding fathers would not have mentioned
a militia in A2 were it not included as a condition precedent to the right to bear.

Some folks argue that the Earth is really flat.
We know from their writings and from their hobbies,
that thay 'd have condemned the NRA for giving away the store in its compromises.
For instance, a letter survives from Thomas Jefferson
to his 12 year old nephew, wherein he counsels the boy
always to take his gun with him when he goes out for a walk,
and to practice with it, for proficiency, preferring that to ball games.
GOOD ADVICE FOR EVERY AMERICAN CITIZEN


James Madison ofen officiated at marksmanship contests,
with pistols, muskets and rifles, awarding prizes to the winners.
We KNOW the general libertarian flavor of their philosophy,
and the grudges and suspicions thay bore against government.
This is not a mystery.

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You and your grammarians seem to think that it was included to explain why the right to bear is given.

I have several ADDITIONAL grammarians ( liberals )
who join in the professional analyses that I have posted.
How many do YOU have supporting the repressionist vu point ??????????????

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But nowhere else in the constitution, or in laws in general,
does a provision of law cover its rationale.

Suppose statute were enacted containing a preamble, or
a short essay on the benefits of education preceding
a compulsory education law; in your vu,
is that law VOID, because the needs for it were explained, Advocate ??
Do u know of any court that ruled a statute to void
because the legislature explained the reason for its enactment ???

David

Advocate wrote:

The ordinary citizen does not need a handgun, the possession of which should be banned for the ordinary person.

Obviously you don't hunt or travel to dangerous areas as part of your job, or live in a neighborhood that went bad. What an idiotic statement. A few more of those and the A2K paramedic is gonna have to take you off the field on a stretcher.

The ordinary citizen does not need a handgun,

the possession of which should be banned for the ordinary person.

Dave, your interpretation of A2 is all wet. I once posted a scholarly article that stated that the founding fathers would not have mentioned a militia in A2 were it not included as a condition precedent to the right to bear.

Advocate wrote:

Dave, your interpretation of A2 is all wet. I once posted a scholarly article that stated that the founding fathers would not have mentioned a militia in A2 were it not included as a condition precedent to the right to bear.

Your article is wrong. The militia clause is totally independent of the RKBA clause.

Dave, please learn to read. No one says that A2 bans guns. It doesn't, and it also doesn't ban gun control.

You recently conceded that it allows gun control. Therefore, we agree.

Gunga, I have spent a lot of time in Baltimore (a dangerous city). I feel pretty safe by avoiding bad areas (where a gun won't help much) like the plague. I think this applies to most cities.

Dave, please learn to read. No one says that A2 bans guns. It doesn't, and it also doesn't ban gun control.

You recently conceded that it allows gun control. Therefore, we agree.

Advocate wrote:

Dave, please learn to read. No one says that A2 bans guns. It doesn't, and it also doesn't ban gun control.

You recently conceded that it allows gun control. Therefore, we agree.

The Second Amendment bans some gun control, and it allows some gun control.

As do the Tenth and Fourteenth Amendments, BTW.

oralloy wrote:

Advocate wrote:

Dave, please learn to read. No one says that A2 bans guns. It doesn't, and it also doesn't ban gun control.

You recently conceded that it allows gun control. Therefore, we agree.

The Second Amendment bans some gun control, and it allows some gun control.

As do the Tenth and Fourteenth Amendments, BTW.

A2 only bans gun control relative to a well-regulated militia.

Where does the A10 come into play?

so david, ever kill anyone?

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Dave, please learn to read.
No one says that A2 bans guns.

I know that.

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It doesn't,

I know that too.

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and it also doesn't ban gun control.

Without the 2A,
government had no authority to ban guns.
The Founders refused to ratify the Constitution
without a Bill of Rights explicitly denying government
certain powers, including the power to interfere with any citizen 's
possession of guns.

As early as 1857, the USSC said that CITIZENS are:

"... entitled to the privileges and
immunities of citizens ..." and have
"...the full liberty of speech ... to
hold public meetings upon political
affairs, and TO KEEP AND CARRY ARMS
wherever they went." [emphasis added]
Chief Justice Roger Taney DRED SCOTT
v. SANFORD 6O US 393 (1857) [emphasis added]
Thus the Court finds the individual citizen's rights protected from violation
by any government, be it federal, state or local.

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You recently conceded that it allows gun control.
Therefore, we agree.

I agree that law REQUIRING the citizens to be armed
in their own defense, at all times, does not violate the 2A

Colonial America had its own gun control laws:
"every...inhabitant of this colony provide for himself
and each under him able to bear arms, a sufficient musket...
with [ammunition] and for each default ...forfeit ten shillings." (New Plymouth 1632)

For the sake of safety, in the spirit of today's mandatory seatbelt legislation,
colonial gun control laws prohibited going to work, or to church,
in an unarmed condition. (Virginia 1631)

Advocate, keep in mind that under the gun control philosophy,
people who are enfeebled by illness, or by age, or by early youth,
wud be condemned to go around in a state of helplessness,
jus rolling the dice every day, hoping not to fall victim to depredations.
( talk about discrimination ! YUK !! )

I gotta run to the airport.
C u in a few days.

David

I doubt Dave has killed anyone.
However, as a former spy for HUAC,
he has ruined decent and innocent people.