Mysteryman,
You include various links. Let me, just to make sure, see if I can pick up what the portent of them is.
mysteryman wrote:From here...http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/06/03/sprj.irq.wmd.un.report/ We get this quote..."But the inspectors also made "little progress" in clearing up remaining questions concerning possible WMD programs, according to the latest report from UNMOVIC.
According to the report, released Monday, "The long list of proscribed items unaccounted for and as such resulting in unresolved disarmament issues was neither shortened by the inspections, nor by Iraqi declarations and documentation."
Iraq failed to account for the weapons ("proscribed items") it used to have. Result is that the inspectors couldnt make sure whether they actually had done away with them or still had them ("unresolved disarmament issues").
The objection thus was that the Iraqi documentation left the "remaining question" of whether they still
had any WMD ("possible WMD programs")
open. No proof for innocence - but also no proof for guilt.
mysteryman wrote:Also,from here...
http://www.fas.org/news/iraq/1999/08/990825-iraq-rpt.htm we get this..."Panel. On discrepancies in the material balance of chemical munitions, Iraq continues its refusal to account for a falsely-reported expenditure of some 6,000 chemical munitions, for the disappearance of 550 artillery shells filled with mustard agent: - and for an inaccurate accounting of R-400 aerial CW bombs. Concerning VX, UNSCOM has stated that the amount of VX Iraq produced has yet to be verified and that Iraq has yet to admit to its weaponization of VX into missiles. Concerning the material balance of chemical weapons production equipment, the Commission stated that the disposition of eighteen shipping containers remains to be verified, it is known that two containers held nearly 200 pieces of glass-lined production equipment.
Iraq continued its "refusal to account" for weapons we knew it used to have and that now had "disappeared". I.e., we couldnt find them and they wouldnt tell us what had happened to them.
What it says here is that, when they insisted they didnt have any WMD, our issue with that was that they wouldnt supply us with the proof about how they'd got rid of them ("disposition remains to be verified") - or even denied they had them in the first place ("has yet to admit"). They gave no proof for innocence, that was our problem - but that
doesnt, again, mean we had any proof for guilt.
mysteryman wrote:The UNSCQM and Anorim reports note that in the biological weapons area, priority issues begin with Iraq's failure at a fundamental level to provide an accurate declaration of its BW program; Iraq has submitted several declarations all found to be incomplete. Iraq has not accounted for materials and items that may have been used or acquired for such a program. The result of these failures is that the scope of priority issues for disarmament covers all aspects of Iraq's BW program. Iraq retains the industrial capability and knowledge base to develop BW agents quickly."
The portent here, again, is that Iraq, concerning WMD, "had failed to provide an accurate declaration"; its declarations were "incomplete". I.e., it couldnt prove it did
not have WMD. Now, in the "guilty until proven innocent" world of the UN resolution in question, that was enough to put the Hussein regime into the dock, but its a far cry from proof that it
did have them.
Again, what this text says is merely that Iraq
may still have had "materials and items" that "
may have been used" for a WMD program and that it still had the capacity to
develop such weapons - nothing here says they actually had them.
Now this is where I point out that all that the links you gave us show, is that the Hussein regime refused to tell us all it knew, and in some instances lied. That's bad-guy behavior, for sure, but where from
that do you get to the conclusion that "many other UN reports state the same thing [..] Iraq DID have WMD [..] those are the facts"? None of what you just copied and pasted shows that. At most it raises suspicions.
And that raises the million dollar question here: is one entitled to start a war because one
suspects that the other guy has weapons he shouldnt have?
Legally, a case could, I guess, hypothetically be made that if the UN - the authors of the resolutions in question - would have agreed that the breach of the UN resolution, constituted by the Iraqi refusal to fully document the fate of its one-time WMD, meant Iraq was no longer sufficiently "accepting the provisions of [the] resolution"; and that of "all necessary means" the member states would then have been entitled to use "to uphold and implement its resolution", war and occupation were the ones called for, and called for now - if it should have agreed so, then that war and occupation would have been legal.
Except it didnt. Which leaves us, again, free of such legalese, to consider for ourselves: is one entitled to start a war because one
suspects that the other guy has weapons he shouldnt have?
In my opinion that would open up a bit of a Pandora's Box. Lots of states around of whom I'd suspect they were up to no good. But the Bush and Blair administrations told us they
knew Iraq had WMD - now, that's something else - that it had the intelligence about where and what. Yet both before the war and now after the war, whenever they came up with what they proclaimed to be the "evidence" in question - much like you in your post - they failed to come up with anything that would actually substantiate their allegations.
In the end all we were supposed to go on was their true blue eyes - they knew, they couldnt share, we just had to trust them. Well, I dont. I dont exclude the possibility Iraq did have WMD, at all - it could well have - but I dont think the Bush and Blair governments had any evidence of it, and they have thus far failed to prove me wrong. And though its true that even just by failing to account for WMD that werent there anymore, Iraq was in breach of the UN resolution, are we really going to consider bad or deceitful bookkeeping by itself reason enough to start massive war? The UN didnt think so - many of us dont think so - and thats why the Bush administration told us it wasnt just because of that, it was because they
knew more was the matter. Now it seems they were indeed lying, bluffing.
Thats what all the brouhaha is about.