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Front load washing machines: worth the extra cost?

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 14 Sep, 2006 07:21 am
I'm quite astonished that top loaders are still achoice - even my mom's old washing maschine (25+ of age and a Miele) was a front loader and that before as well ...
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Swimpy
 
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Reply Thu 14 Sep, 2006 08:24 am
Top loaders are still the top sellers in the States, Walter.

Boomer, I bought this machine about 1998 I think.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 14 Sep, 2006 08:36 am
Certainly you get them here as well, and they are the best if you are e.g. a single living in a small apartment.
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ul
 
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Reply Thu 14 Sep, 2006 08:41 am
http://www.fabricology.com/science/top-or-front.php

Quote from the link above:
Therefore, frontload washers require less water than topload washers, but they typically require a longer wash cycle to achieve the cleaning performance of mechanical agitators.

Once I year I can compare a Topload to a Frontload
and I always find that my own Frontload ( 30 years old now) does a better cleaning job and that the fabric stays nicer.
But maybe this is caused by the detergent I use.
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sublime1
 
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Reply Thu 14 Sep, 2006 09:00 am
Front loaders are the way to go but like others have said stay away from Maytag, they had a big problem with mold from water not draining or getting caught in the seal. Miele and Bosch are great and the Whirlpools are also pretty good. Kenmore is virtually identical to Whirlpool.

With the front loaders pay attention to the amount or type of detergent you use, as mentioned before use less regular detergent or buy the stuff with a HE (high efficiency) label for less suds or you could end up with a bad I Love Lucy episode on your hands.

The one top loader I would recommend is Fisher and Paykel, they also have a top loading dryer which is the first of its kind as far as I know.
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mckenzie
 
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Reply Thu 14 Sep, 2006 10:38 am
From the April 2006 issue of Consumer Reports:

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Buying advice

Front-loaders tend to give you the best of everything, but traditional top-loaders offer the best value

You'll find more variety in the washing-machine aisle when you visit an appliance store these days. Traditional top-loaders with agitators are going strong, but front-loading washers are gaining ground, thanks to their very good washing performance, large capacity, water and energy efficiency, and quiet operation.

Despite the advantages of front-loaders, many Americans still prefer a top-loading design. Manufacturers have responded with washers that promise some of the advantages of front-loaders in a top-loader. Models include the Calypso from Whirlpool and Kenmore, the GE Harmony, and the Maytag Neptune TL. This new breed of washer replaces the usual vertical agitator post with different mechanisms to circulate laundry. The design increases capacity and reduces water and energy usage.

Washing machines of all types are becoming more energy efficient. New, stricter Department of Energy standards regarding energy and hot-water use and water extraction became effective in January 2004, and standards will become even more stringent in 2007. Many front-loaders and some top-loaders already meet the 2007 requirements.


WHAT'S AVAILABLE

The top four brands--GE, Kenmore (Sears), Maytag, and Whirlpool--account for more than 80 percent of washing-machine sales. Other brands include Admiral and Amana (made by Maytag), Frigidaire (made by Electrolux), Hotpoint (made by GE), and KitchenAid and Roper (both made by Whirlpool). You may also run across smaller brands such as Crosley, Gibson, and White-Westinghouse, all of which are made by the larger brands. Asko, Bosch, Miele, and Siemens are European brands. Fisher-Paykel is imported from New Zealand, LG and Samsung from Korea, and Haier from China.

Traditional top-loaders. Traditional top-loaders fill the tub with water, then agitate the clothing. They use more water than other types of washers, and thus consume more energy to heat the hot water. They also extract less water from laundry during the spin cycle, which results in longer drying time and higher energy costs. Because they need to move the laundry around to ensure thorough cleaning, these machines hold about 12 to 16 pounds, which is less than large front-loaders and top-loaders without agitators in the center of the tub.

On the plus side, top-loaders make it easier to load laundry and to add items midcycle. You can also soak laundry easily. This type of machine has the shortest cycle times and is the only one that gives the best results with regular detergent. But most top-loaders are noisier than front-loaders, and there's a risk of loads getting unbalanced. Price range: $200 to $650.

High-efficiency (HE) top-loaders with new wash systems. The GE Harmony and the Calypso models from Kenmore and Whirlpool have a "wash plate," rather than an agitator, to move clothes around. The Maytag Neptune TL has discs that lift and tumble laundry. Washing performance is usually better than with regular top-loaders, and capacity is generally larger as well.

These top-loaders work somewhat like front-loaders, filling partially with water and spinning at very high speeds. Most are more efficient with water and energy than regular top-loaders, but the high spin speeds that reduce drying time (and energy consumption) tend to make clothing more wrinkled. These machines work best with low-foaming, high-efficiency detergent. Price range: $900 to $1,300.

Front-loaders. Front-loaders get clothes clean by tumbling them in the water. Clothes are lifted to the top of the tub, then dropped into the water below. They fill only partially with water and then spin at high speed to extract it, which makes them more efficient with water and energy than regular top-loaders. Most handle between 12 and 20 pounds of laundry. Like HE top-loaders, front-loaders wash best with low-sudsing detergent. Many front-loaders can be stacked with a dryer to save floor space. Price range: $600 to $1,600.

Space-saving options. Compact models are typically 24 inches wide or less (compared with about 27 inches for full-sized washers of all types) and they can wash 8 to 12 pounds of laundry. A compact front-loading washer can be stacked with a compact dryer. Some compact washers can be stored in a closet and rolled out to be hooked up to the kitchen sink. Price range: $450 to $1,700.

Washer-dryer laundry centers combine a washer and dryer in one unit, with the dryer located above the washer. These can be full-sized (27 inches wide) or compact (24 inches wide). The full-sized models hold about 12 to 14 pounds, the compacts a few pounds less. Performance is generally comparable to that of full-sized machines. Price range: $700 to $1,900.


HOW TO CHOOSE

For best high-end performance, go with a front-loader. If you're willing to spend $1,000 or so, at this point we'd steer you to a front-loader. The best front-loaders offer very good washing, ample capacity, and quiet operation. The front-loading design has been around for a while, and Frigidaire, GE, and Kenmore front-loaders have a good track record for reliability. (Note that numerous readers have reported that their front-loading washers developed mold or a musty smell. Leaving the door ajar between uses and using chlorine bleach occasionally should help.)

Think twice about new-technology top-loaders. Even though some top-loaders have done well in our tests, they're not among our top picks. The Kenmore Calypso was one of the more repair-prone top-loaders, and it left garments tangled and wrinkled in our tests. The GE Profile Harmony and Maytag Neptune TL are too new to have reliability data, and neither was very gentle on clothes.

Get a conventional top-loader for good performance at a modest price. If you want a less expensive machine that's decent across the board, consider a familiar top-loader. Even though these machines aren't as exciting as newer types, they offer decent washing for as little as $500 or less, and there's a large selection of reliable brands. A model judged good or very good for washing should be fine for all but very soiled laundry and should satisfy most consumers.

Consider energy usage. Our tests for energy efficiency differ from those used to determine the government's Energy Star eligibility, giving more weight to performance with maximum loads. As a result, some Energy Star models haven't scored that well for energy efficiency in our Ratings.

Decide if noise is an issue. If you plan to install a washer in a laundry room near the kitchen or a bedroom, we strongly recommend one judged very good or excellent for noise. Front-loaders as a group tend to be very quiet; some top-loaders are as well.

Weigh the value of pricey extras. The more features a washer has, the more it usually costs. Don't buy an expensive model just to get four or more water levels, dozens of cycle and setting combinations, or dedicated cycles for fabrics such as silk. The basic cycles and settings can handle most washing needs, and you can replicate most special cycles with buttons or dials. An electronic touchpad may allow custom programming, but it can also be more confusing to use, especially at first. Unless you insist on the same style, there's no need to match a washer and a dryer. If your old dryer still works fine, don't think you have to replace it when you buy a new washer.

Use the proper detergent. Any washing machine will do a better job if you use a good detergent. For traditional top-loaders, regular detergent is fine, and that's what we used. With front-loaders and high-efficiency top-loaders, you'll get the cleanest clothes with special low-sudsing detergent; that's what we used for these machines. In fact, using regular detergent can cause excessive sudsing in HE washers. Not only is it hard to rinse clothing, but the foam can cause problems with the washer. There are fewer HE products to choose from than with regular detergent, and they cost about 5 to 10 cents more per load than regular detergent. Consider the cost and convenience of ongoing detergent purchases when you're buying a washer.
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angie06
 
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Reply Thu 14 Sep, 2006 10:51 am
I have the Sears Elite HE3 front loader. Yes, it was expensive but I absolutely love it. My sister has the same machine and kept telling me how great it was. She went on and on and on until I thought, my gosh it's just a washing machine! When I went to Sears to look at them a woman who was walking by stopped and told me she had the one I was looking at and proceeded to tell me how much she loved it. She sounded just like my sister! Now, after owning one for a year and a half, I have hopped on the band wagon and now I tell everyone how great this washer and dryer are! Someone posted that you can't add anything once it's starts. This is not true with the model I own. There is an "add a garment" light and you are able to add clothes when this light is on if you forget something. The two features I like the best are the amount of clothes that you can wash in one load and how quickly the clothes dry. This is because the washer spins the water at such a high speed. The clothes are noticeably dryer when I take them out of the washer then with my old top loading washing machine. My clothes also seem to wear better, less pilling etc. I was lucky enough to buy when Sears had the washer and dryer on sale and an extra 10% off all appliances on top of the sale price. As far as Maytag, my friend was part of the class action law suit. She wasn't offered a new washer, just free replacement parts and labor. Her washer has been repaired 3 times and she still isn't happy with it. I'd stay away from Maytag. One other tip, I'd be hesitant to buy in any of the colors now available. I bought my kitchen appliances in harvest gold years ago. They refused to die and because I couldn't bring myself to buy a new stove, refrigerator and dishwasher just because the color was out of style, I had harvest gold in my kitchen for a long time after it was no longer fashionable. I'll never buy anything but good, old white. Laughing
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 14 Sep, 2006 11:12 am
Swimpy wrote:
Top loaders are still the top sellers in the States, Walter.


Now I got it:

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The "top loading" design, most popular in the United States, Australia ...
The "front loading" design, most popular in Europe and the Middle East ...
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Tests comparing front loading and top loading machines have shown that, in general, front-loaders wash clothes more thoroughly, cause less wear, and use less water and energy than top-loaders. As a result of using less water, they require less detergent to be used, or conversely, they can use the same amount of detergent with less water, which increases detergent concentration and increases the amount of chemical action. They also allow a dryer to be more easily mounted directly above the washer.
...
Washing machines are given Eurobell grades for washing performance, energy efficiency and spin efficiency. Grades run from A to E (best to worst), and provide a simple method for electric retailer to gauge to customers things like running costs and performance on stains. Here an AAA machine will denote top performance on the mention three categories.

...


From wikipedia

Our maschine (a Miele) got three AAA+'s. :wink:
The real plus is that you can - it's a 6kg maschine - really 6 kilo dry washings in it ... but also just a bit: the maschined adjustices the time (and water) automatically according to the weight and kind of clothes.

And it is said that it has been tested to last 20 years with 5 washings/week.
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mckenzie
 
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Reply Thu 14 Sep, 2006 11:14 am
I see that I made a mistake on my original listing posted. The asterisk indicating CR's quick pick should be beside the $1100 Kenmore and not the $1500 Kenmore which is second on the list. My second post indicating the quick picks is correct.

Number 2 on the list, Kenmore Elite HE4t45081, overall score of 79, and rates excellent in energy efficiency, water efficiency and capacity. It rates very good in washing performance and noise. It rates only good in gentleness.

The Kenmore Elite HE345862, overall score of 77, and rates excellent in capacity and very good in washing performance, energy efficiency, water efficiency, gentleness and noise.

The Kenmore HE246462, the CR Best Buy, overall score of 70 and rates very good in washing performance, energy efficiency, capacity, gentleness and noise. It rates only good in water efficiency.
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Tai Chi
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 04:11 pm
I have a basic Frigidaire front-loading model and love it. Two pieces of advice: buy the HE detergent and always check pockets for quarters. I don't know if it's specific to Frigidaires but the drain hose is the exact size of a Canadian quarter. We had the repair guy out when it wouldn't drain ($40) and he showed us how to fix it if we forget to check pockets again.
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leducred
 
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Reply Fri 29 Sep, 2006 11:29 am
yup big problem with mold w/front loaded washers. I know 4 people who have them and loved them at first and now hate them.

Allergists will tell you NOT to buy them

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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 29 Sep, 2006 11:35 am
leducred wrote:

Allergists will tell you NOT to buy them
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How is that related to front or top loading?

I mean, it would explain why you find allergies in Europe, since you rarely find toploaders in households here. - On the other hand, only front loaders got the (various national) "Seal of Approval" by the allergy foundations.
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Swimpy
 
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Reply Fri 29 Sep, 2006 11:52 am
I don't know if it's all front loaders, Walter. The Maytag brand that I have has lots of places where water can get trapped and mold can grow.
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Fri 29 Sep, 2006 12:24 pm
The problem might be with the components front loaders are built with.
The German brands use only stainless steel on all parts - so no mold
build up there. If American machines are not built with stainless steel,
or the washing machine door is closed after use, then mold can grow
easily.

I have had my front loader for 10 years and there is no mold anywhere to be seen.

leducred, do you have any evidence, that Allergist advice against
frontloaders? I mean, your word in god's ear, but .....
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Swimpy
 
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Reply Fri 29 Sep, 2006 12:27 pm
CJ, My frontloader has a stainless steel drum, but the rubber gasket hat seals the door harbors the mold. I have to regularly scrub it with bleach.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 29 Sep, 2006 12:51 pm
At my mother's, the washingmaschine is at a place - that maschine since more than 20 years now - which is rather wet and ... well, not clean.
But no mold at all during all those years.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 29 Sep, 2006 01:00 pm
Swimpy wrote:
I don't know if it's all front loaders, Walter. The Maytag brand that I have has lots of places where water can get trapped and mold can grow.


Let it breath ~

Leave the door ajar and open the soap port so air can move.
I do this plus add white vinegar in with the liquid detergent.
No smell.

Make sure you don't use to much detergent and never use fabric softener.
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Fri 29 Sep, 2006 02:32 pm
Swimpy wrote:
CJ, My frontloader has a stainless steel drum, but the rubber gasket hat seals the door harbors the mold. I have to regularly scrub it with bleach.


Hm, that never happened to mine, Swimpy, and I never clean it
either http://www.borge.diesal.de/board02/images/smiles/shameblue.gif
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Swimpy
 
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Reply Fri 29 Sep, 2006 02:39 pm
Is yours a Maytag, CJ?

H20, I'll give that a try. Thanks.
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Swimpy
 
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Reply Fri 29 Sep, 2006 02:40 pm
Is yours a Maytag, CJ?

H20, I'll give that a try. Thanks.
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