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THE BRITISH THREAD

 
 
Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Fri 15 Dec, 2006 09:27 am
Steve 41oo wrote:
Lord Ellpus wrote:
How a civilised society can't recognise that these people are being driven by a terrible addiction and how we can just look the other way whilst these girls go into such an area just as a means to satisfy that addiction, is totally beyond me.


Who said it's civilised?.............


Actually, I had fully intended putting inverted commas round the word civilised, but thought that it might get an adverse reaction from some quarters, and detract from the main point.
I agree with you Steve, and can fully understand why so many Brits are buggering off to other parts of the world, as highlighted in the report on the news last week.
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 15 Dec, 2006 10:13 am
When they have buggered off (run away) do they continue to vote in our elections?

How many is "so many Brits"?
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Fri 15 Dec, 2006 10:20 am
1 in 10, it would appear.....

From the BBC News Website.

".......Almost one in 10 British citizens is living overseas, according to a study of people coming in and out of the UK.

Studies by the Institute for Public Policy Research, published on the BBC News website, indicate that at least 5.5m British-born people live abroad......"

More............. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6210358.stm
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 15 Dec, 2006 10:50 am
spendius wrote:
Pathetic innit?

But what's the alternative?

The cop dramas show people how to commit crimes and how to tell lies.

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Blair blocking the enquiry is beneath contempt. Its the most despicable thing he has done as PM.


I agree. I wonder what it has done to the morale of those investigating fraud. Makes them look like they are only set upon the tiddlers doesn't it?

It's the same with tax inspectors. Just wait until somebody investigates housing benefit and the John Major's bloody stupid lottery.

Ponder this Steve-

"The riot squad are restless they need somewhere to go." (Bob Dylan- Desolation Row).
This is what I was trying to say earlier. The people at the bottom of the pile do what they do to survive. Criminal activity is just part of life. Mostly they dont do much real harm and get away with it. Sometimes they get caught but thats just part of life too. The people at the top operate in exactly the same way. Except they dont get banged up. But if you're not in either category you live in constant fear of being stripped of whatever little you may have for driving a car too quickly or making an inappropriate remark.
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kitchenpete
 
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Reply Fri 15 Dec, 2006 11:01 am
spendius wrote:
When they have buggered off (run away) do they continue to vote in our elections?


Britain does not have an "overseas" vote by post in the same way that the USA does. This is partially explained by the constituency system, which requires voters to be allocated to a particular constituency in order to vote for the MP relating to that geographic area.

However, it is possible for those who move abroad temporarily (such as myself) to continue to vote by proxy in the constituency with which they retain some connection (e.g. I could continue to vote in Regents Park and North Kensington, where I did previously).

Those who permanently "emigrate" lose such a right.
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Mathos
 
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Reply Fri 15 Dec, 2006 11:13 am
spendius wrote:
What is the general view of the Serious Fraud Office abandoning their investigation into the arms deal with Saudi Arabia after two years of "work"?

On the face of it the 50,000 jobs in the North-West are being created by turning a blind eye to corruption and ,one presumes, organised criminality and pressure from the Saudis is running our justice system. What else might they demand?

It is a good time to bury news.



You don't really expect a straight deal over there do you Spendi?

It's the way they live, back-handers, cars, yachts, houses in different countries. The cash backs are already built into the deal as well.

There are many a Lancashire family dependant on that deal being given the green light.

Saudi is extremely important to us as an ally. They play a leading role in mediating across the middle east. We don't want that lot, all the oil production, all the jobs, and no doubt a real war, with anything going.
It's all a big powder keg at present.

Mr Bush and his mission accomplished is very droll.

I hate to think how many paraplegics there are amongst our soldiers, the yanks and the allies, they have to release the death figures, you might get an odd story of a soldier losing a leg or arm, the rest are simply pasted under wounded.

I know you support the goings on over there, so you will probably stick your thoughts under events, you surprise me with those considerations.

The mission accomplished statement surely meant he knew absolutely bugger all!
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 15 Dec, 2006 11:57 am
kitchenpete wrote:
spendius wrote:
When they have buggered off (run away) do they continue to vote in our elections?


Britain does not have an "overseas" vote by post in the same way that the USA does. This is partially explained by the constituency system, which requires voters to be allocated to a particular constituency in order to vote for the MP relating to that geographic area.

However, it is possible for those who move abroad temporarily (such as myself) to continue to vote by proxy in the constituency with which they retain some connection (e.g. I could continue to vote in Regents Park and North Kensington, where I did previously).

Those who permanently "emigrate" lose such a right.


Salford University wrote:
Anyone who is living overseas/abroad is entitled to vote in the UK for a period of 15 years after they were last registered in an electoral register. If you have never been registered as an elector in the UK, you will not be eligible to register as an overseas elector. However, if you left the UK before you were 18 years of age you can register at your parents or guardians address, providing that you left the country no more than 15 years ago.
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 15 Dec, 2006 12:22 pm
Mathos wrote-

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You don't really expect a straight deal over there do you Spendi?

It's the way they live, back-handers, cars, yachts, houses in different countries. The cash backs are already built into the deal as well.

There are many a Lancashire family dependant on that deal being given the green light.

Saudi is extremely important to us as an ally. They play a leading role in mediating across the middle east. We don't want that lot, all the oil production, all the jobs, and no doubt a real war, with anything going.
It's all a big powder keg at present.


Fair enough but it is moral values subservient to expediency and with that what foundations have you left. Last I heard they were giving prostitutes 200 lashes before hanging them in public.

Our ethical foreign policy eh? Ever heard of Faust Mathos?

I'm not sure "dependent" is the right word though.

Our addiction to oil has led into some very murky waters as addictions always do.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 15 Dec, 2006 12:39 pm
spendius wrote:
Our addiction to oil has led into some very murky waters as addictions always do.
The President (our President in effect) used the phrase addicted to oil in his State of the Union Address this year. There is a war going on for the control of the remaining oil. Its pretty simple really, for some peculiar reason the ordinary people of the middle east seem to think they should share in the oil wealth beneath their feet. We of course and the rulers we have installed to keep them in place know better. There is a nice symmetry to the problems associated with oil. Short term terrorism. Medium term wars. Long term climate change. Murky water indeed.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 15 Dec, 2006 02:07 pm
Steve 41oo wrote:
spendius wrote:
Our addiction to oil has led into some very murky waters as addictions always do.
The President (our President in effect) used the phrase addicted to oil in his State of the Union Address this year. There is a war going on for the control of the remaining oil. Its pretty simple really, for some peculiar reason the ordinary people of the middle east seem to think they should share in the oil wealth beneath their feet. We of course and the rulers we have installed to keep them in place know better. There is a nice symmetry to the problems associated with oil. Short term terrorism. Medium term wars. Long term climate change. Murky water indeed.


Of course, Steve.

You know, you'd think the price of oil here in the US would be a lot lower than it currently is. What with all the free oil we're hauling over from Iraq.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 15 Dec, 2006 02:12 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
Steve 41oo wrote:
spendius wrote:
Our addiction to oil has led into some very murky waters as addictions always do.
The President (our President in effect) used the phrase addicted to oil in his State of the Union Address this year. There is a war going on for the control of the remaining oil. Its pretty simple really, for some peculiar reason the ordinary people of the middle east seem to think they should share in the oil wealth beneath their feet. We of course and the rulers we have installed to keep them in place know better. There is a nice symmetry to the problems associated with oil. Short term terrorism. Medium term wars. Long term climate change. Murky water indeed.


Of course, Steve.

You know, you'd think the price of oil here in the US would be a lot lower than it currently is. What with all the free oil we're hauling over from Iraq.

You are far too intelligent to believe that.
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 15 Dec, 2006 02:23 pm
And if you are one of the serious addicts and are against the war you can have it both ways. You can splurge and be virtuous at the same time.

That's what makes me roll my eyes.

"I'm a politician, I'll give you what you want.
You don't need to get your hands messed up
Not with me out in front
I'm a politician, I'll give you what you need.
It's all marked in the cards
And written in the seed."

That's what calling off the SFO investigation means.

It means we daren't elect a morally upright guy.
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Mathos
 
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Reply Fri 15 Dec, 2006 02:26 pm
SPENDI [/quote]

Fair enough but it is moral values subservient to expediency and with that what foundations have you left. Last I heard they were giving prostitutes 200 lashes before hanging them in public.

Our ethical foreign policy eh? Ever heard of Faust Mathos?

I'm not sure "dependent" is the right word though.

Our addiction to oil has led into some very murky waters as addictions always do.[/quote]


It's a product, a product we pay billions for. You can't imagine them Yanks in silicone valley doing without their air conditioning for one night can you? I rather imagine you would keep a fair temperature on the run whilst idling away your hours on the sofa too. We haven't been forced into a corner yet. If you think those ugly big windmills they have stuck up all over the place including Yorkshire are going to be the answer, think again, it's like battery cars, pathetic in reality. The UK is only a small island, we should have been sorting alternative power production out instead of sitting on our arses watching the world go by.There has to be a way of harnessing all of that water I would think. Atomic power is going to be the most favourable road to take, thats despite countless causes for concern attached to that.

Personally I don't think we have exhausted all the oil we have in the north sea, or the gas in the Irish sea. I think a decision has been made to cap the supplies and import. If the balloon really does go up, there will be some hard times to face in this country without oil. There is a lot to be said for uprooting sticks and re-establishing yourself in a beach hut in the South China or Andaman Sea. The tsunami problem could be a concern though.

Your standing aloof on this back-hander job with the Arabs aren't you?
Mohammed Al Fayed showed you what a load of tossers we had in government office, brown envelopes all over the place, plus all the free-bees at his fancy Parisian Hotel. Geoffrey Archer, lying his head off at The old Bailey and getting £250,000..00 for it, plus ruining the good name of the lady in red. Monica wasn't it! The Met. has a regular clear out too, bad apples, we have the same in Lancashire every now and again.

Did you think the Brits were all cherubic and free from sin?

Bollocks! They just do it in a deceitful and underhanded manner. It's not just the foreign players that dive either.

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Whilst I'm on as well, (Out tonight with my old mate Ralph..That should be fun). I am involved in a reasonable sized development with a firm from down south. They sent me a ground worker a couple of weeks ago. Big lad, talks like they do but pretty much an ok sort of lad. He has all the health and safety knowledge under his belt and I have to say he's a real good grafter. Familiar with all the plant, building inspector remarked to me that he was doing a good job. I was talking to him this morning, he said he'd like to live up here apart from all this rain of late. He reckons the people were much friendlier, had better manners, the beer was better and the women prettier. What do you think about that?
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 15 Dec, 2006 02:30 pm
And what about separation of powers?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 15 Dec, 2006 02:36 pm
Steve 41oo wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Steve 41oo wrote:
spendius wrote:
Our addiction to oil has led into some very murky waters as addictions always do.
The President (our President in effect) used the phrase addicted to oil in his State of the Union Address this year. There is a war going on for the control of the remaining oil. Its pretty simple really, for some peculiar reason the ordinary people of the middle east seem to think they should share in the oil wealth beneath their feet. We of course and the rulers we have installed to keep them in place know better. There is a nice symmetry to the problems associated with oil. Short term terrorism. Medium term wars. Long term climate change. Murky water indeed.


Of course, Steve.

You know, you'd think the price of oil here in the US would be a lot lower than it currently is. What with all the free oil we're hauling over from Iraq.

You are far too intelligent to believe that.


Which part is not to be believed? Is the US getting free oil from Iraq or not? To the victor go the spoils, right? I thought that was your implication. Perhaps I misread you ...
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 15 Dec, 2006 02:50 pm
Mathos wrote-

Quote:
What do you think about that?


I don't consider what one bloke thinks to be worth a spit in the ocean.

It is worth remembering that the oil is just horrible black gunk if we don't want to use it. The suppliers are addicted to our addiction. Possibly more so. It's hard to say.

I have no solution which has the slightest chance of winning more than a handful of votes.
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Mathos
 
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Reply Fri 15 Dec, 2006 03:07 pm
They are turning Dubai and Qatar into holiday destination places. doing a good job of it too. Lybia will be next I rather think.


You should know Spendi, 'nothing lasts for ever' as regards power, we need to build a big wall just north of Watford. Then perhaps we could balance things up. I believe infant mortality rate is higher up here, we don't go in for them fancy wine bars either. We pay through the nose for fags and booze. If you live in Kent, they have a free bus to the ferry and you can buy as much as you want for peanuts.
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 15 Dec, 2006 03:28 pm
Yeah-I know.

They have TV and print sewn up as well. The lottery is straight theft from the provinces. The new legions of the mind. And that's not the half of it.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 15 Dec, 2006 06:29 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
Which part is not to be believed? Is the US getting free oil from Iraq or not? To the victor go the spoils, right? I thought that was your implication. Perhaps I misread you ...
You did misread me. I dont think the US invaded Iraq to steal oil. But i do think a central plank in the scheme of things was to control oil supply not only from Iraq but as a consequence of being in Iraq from the wider middle east as well. Also to make sure it was priced in dollars not euros.
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 15 Dec, 2006 06:40 pm
Mathos wrote-

Quote:
You should know Spendi, 'nothing lasts for ever'


The city screwing the countryside lasts forever. Don't you understand Homer and Gibbon and all points west.

You've been reading the papers too much mate probably because they have been flattering you that you are are clued up about what's going on.
It's the oldest trick in the book. Make them feel brainy. It never fails.
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