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Atheists - what drives you?

 
 
real life
 
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Reply Sat 9 Sep, 2006 09:54 am
neologist wrote:
Well, for one thing, an atheist doesn't bear the guilt of the religions who perpetrated or supported the Crusades, the Inquisition, the Holocaust, the Rwandan Massacre, the suicide bombings. . . that stuff, you know.


Religions do not bear guilt.

Individuals bear guilt for their own actions.

A religion or a philosophy may either tend to justify (or not) a particular action.

Misuse is not the same as use.

To claim that because someone misused Christian theology, for instance, to excuse his abominable actions makes Christian theology invalid is a fallacy.

Do atheists, for instance, hold that atheism was used, or misused, by atheist communist regimes that slaughtered millions?

Most atheists, I would suspect, think that was a misuse of atheist philosophy.

I would hope that all of them do, but that is not the case.
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real life
 
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Reply Sat 9 Sep, 2006 10:02 am
Doktor S wrote:
[Since the overwhelming majority of religious belief is not based on sound reasoning, but rather faith.........


An assertion without proof.

from merriamwebster.com we see:

Quote:
Main Entry: be·lief
Pronunciation: b&-'lEf
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English beleave, probably alteration of Old English gelEafa, from ge-, associative prefix + lEafa; akin to Old English lyfan -- more at BELIEVE
1 : a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing
2 : something believed; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
3 : conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence
synonyms BELIEF, FAITH, CREDENCE, CREDIT
emphasis mine

But, oh yeah, I forgot.....

.......you make up your own defintions for words.

Like when you refer to yourself as god. Laughing

Ok, sorry to interrupt your fantasy. Proceed.
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Sat 9 Sep, 2006 10:09 am
real life wrote:

Do atheists, for instance, hold that atheism was used, or misused, by atheist communist regimes that slaughtered millions?

Most atheists, I would suspect, think that was a misuse of atheist philosophy.

I would hope that all of them do, but that is not the case.


Still trotting out this diversionary argument eh?
Let me once again point out that things done in the name of religion do not equate to things done by a communist regime that just happened to have atheist leadership.(In fact, communism is government enforced egalitarianism while christianity is theologically enforced egalitarianism. The two are not very different.)
You may as we be saying all atheists should feel accountable for the murder of JFK because his assassin wasn't religious, which is absurd.
Your strawmanian picture of dogmatic atheists sharing a common philosophy is laughable and projectionary. It just aint so.
There is no atheist philosophy.
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Sat 9 Sep, 2006 10:13 am
real life wrote:
Doktor S wrote:
[Since the overwhelming majority of religious belief is not based on sound reasoning, but rather faith.........


An assertion without proof.

from merriamwebster.com we see:

Quote:
Main Entry: be·lief
Pronunciation: b&-'lEf
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English beleave, probably alteration of Old English gelEafa, from ge-, associative prefix + lEafa; akin to Old English lyfan -- more at BELIEVE
1 : a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing
2 : something believed; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
3 : conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence
synonyms BELIEF, FAITH, CREDENCE, CREDIT
emphasis mine

But, oh yeah, I forgot.....

.......you make up your own defintions for words.

Like when you refer to yourself as god. Laughing

Ok, sorry to interrupt your fantasy. Proceed.

rofl. evidence.
Evidence such as you have presented over your long stay at A2K? Laughing

Would you really forward the proposition that religious belief is based on evidence, not faith?
Thanks for the chuckle.
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real life
 
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Reply Sat 9 Sep, 2006 12:07 pm
Doktor S wrote:
real life wrote:
Doktor S wrote:
[Since the overwhelming majority of religious belief is not based on sound reasoning, but rather faith.........


An assertion without proof.

from merriamwebster.com we see:

Quote:
Main Entry: be·lief
Pronunciation: b&-'lEf
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English beleave, probably alteration of Old English gelEafa, from ge-, associative prefix + lEafa; akin to Old English lyfan -- more at BELIEVE
1 : a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing
2 : something believed; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
3 : conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence
synonyms BELIEF, FAITH, CREDENCE, CREDIT
emphasis mine

But, oh yeah, I forgot.....

.......you make up your own defintions for words.

Like when you refer to yourself as god. Laughing

Ok, sorry to interrupt your fantasy. Proceed.

rofl. evidence.
Evidence such as you have presented over your long stay at A2K? Laughing

Would you really forward the proposition that religious belief is based on evidence, not faith?
Thanks for the chuckle.


You are welcome.

I am sure that reading the dictionary may provide you with many such chuckles since you are so fond of making up definitions of your own as you go along.

The 'proposition' ( it is actually a definition, but you may not know the meaning of the word. The definition of the word 'definition' is 'the meaning of the word'. Yes it is simple.) came not from me but from http://merriamwebster.com/

So I have provided the link to insure you countless hours of mirth. Don't thank me, I would do the same for anyone who had no clue how to ascertain the definition of words.
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megamanXplosion
 
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Reply Sat 9 Sep, 2006 12:12 pm
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How do you reconcile your continued existence with the seemingly pointless cycle of life and death on earth?


The cycle of life and death is not pointless at all. Without death, the world would be miserable. Imagine a world where nobody died. At first, the idea may sound good but once you dig deep into the philosophical issues, the proposition seems absurd and cruel. The child who has too much toys loses joy in them and becomes miserable. The seeker of knowledge who has learned too much will no longer have a need to seek knowledge and becomes miserable. The thrill seeker who has experienced too much will no longer experience thrills and becomes miserable. The idea of eternal life is wholly incompatible with the idea of happiness. The only reconciliation of eternal life and happiness is if someone deletes the contents—the knowledge, the memories, and so on; however, considering that each life is molded by experience, is such a brain-dump procedure any different from bringing a new life into the world?

Death allows one to live, to seek happiness, and prevents the beings from becoming completely miserable, but what makes it possible for a being to seek happiness? Life allows this to occur. Every newborn is a new opportunity to seek happiness. Again, death shall come to its rescue in due time to prevent absolute misery. The subject becomes more interesting when one considers the genetics of the newborns. The newborns share your genetic code so, in a way, it is as if you still live on, just that you do not know it. Your parents live on through you. Your grandparents live on through you. Your great grandparents live on through you. The Cro-Magnon people live on through you. Death has come to the rescue for all and life has continued as before.

I see absolutely no need to reconcile my existence with the cycle of life and death. Ever since the first life on Earth existed, I was, to this day, I am, and five hundred years from now, I shall be.

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How do you cope with your insignificance in comparison with the universe (and whatever lies beyond that)?


I need not cope with my insignificance in this Universe. The Universe itself is insignificant. Woolsey Teller, in his book "The Atheism of Astronomy," gives an accurate perspective of the Universe: "It is estimated to have taken cosmic evolution somewhere between 10,000,000 million and 20,000,000 million years to produce our universe as we see it today, and this includes the entire period of transition from nebulae to stars and from stars to earth. It is an inconceivably vast stretch of time for the development of that which is the equivalent proportionately of six specks of dust in a great railroad terminal, and the wonder is that we look upon the 'result' as in any way striking or important. It is only because we are living amid these tiny, floating specks, and that we are star-dust ourselves, that the matter is of human interest." (Please note that the age estimates above are extremely old and inaccurate. A more accurate estimate is 13.7 +/- 0.2 billion years.) When one truly considers the amount of matter in the Universe, in comparison to the vast abyss of nothingness, and how long it has taken to get this way, the Universe also seems insignificant.

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How do you view death? Are you afraid of it? Ambivalent?


I think I have already explained my view of death. It is a wonderful mechanism. I am not afraid of death. My only fear in relation to death is that I may not have enjoyed my life or that I may not have benefited the world before I go into that dark night.

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But what is the purpose of your existence?


What am I? I am nothing more than an arrangement of matter, am I not? To say that my existence has a purpose is to say the existence of a rock, a crystal, or water droplet has a purpose for its existence. The intellectual and emotional faculties I possess do not differentiate me from the rocks, for those faculties are also the result of matter. I cannot entertain the notion that I am fundamentally different from the rocks. As such, hypothetically I can only entertain the notions that the existence of everything has a purpose or nothing at all has a purpose. How am I to argue that a piece of dust floating in the empty abyss of space, millions of miles away from anything, has a purpose for its existence? The only tenable notion is that nothing has a purpose for its existence.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sat 9 Sep, 2006 01:27 pm
neologist wrote:
If God does exist, we no longer may assume license to govern our own lives, independent of whatever God may require.


Why not? We assume license to govern our own lives independen to whatever God may require. Why would the existence of God change that?
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neologist
 
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Reply Sat 9 Sep, 2006 01:37 pm
InfraBlue wrote:
neologist wrote:
If God does exist, we no longer may assume license to govern our own lives, independent of whatever God may require.


Why not? We assume license to govern our own lives independen to whatever God may require. Why would the existence of God change that?
It might be prudent to investigate the possibility of God given requirements.

We should check it out, at least. IMO
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Sat 9 Sep, 2006 06:11 pm
real life wrote:
Doktor S wrote:
real life wrote:
Doktor S wrote:
[Since the overwhelming majority of religious belief is not based on sound reasoning, but rather faith.........


An assertion without proof.

from merriamwebster.com we see:

Quote:
Main Entry: be·lief
Pronunciation: b&-'lEf
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English beleave, probably alteration of Old English gelEafa, from ge-, associative prefix + lEafa; akin to Old English lyfan -- more at BELIEVE
1 : a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing
2 : something believed; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
3 : conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence
synonyms BELIEF, FAITH, CREDENCE, CREDIT
emphasis mine

But, oh yeah, I forgot.....

.......you make up your own defintions for words.

Like when you refer to yourself as god. Laughing

Ok, sorry to interrupt your fantasy. Proceed.

rofl. evidence.
Evidence such as you have presented over your long stay at A2K? Laughing

Would you really forward the proposition that religious belief is based on evidence, not faith?
Thanks for the chuckle.


You are welcome.

I am sure that reading the dictionary may provide you with many such chuckles since you are so fond of making up definitions of your own as you go along.

The 'proposition' ( it is actually a definition, but you may not know the meaning of the word. The definition of the word 'definition' is 'the meaning of the word'. Yes it is simple.) came not from me but from http://merriamwebster.com/

So I have provided the link to insure you countless hours of mirth. Don't thank me, I would do the same for anyone who had no clue how to ascertain the definition of words.

The way you sort of make up your own reality as you go along is intriguing from a psychological perspective.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sat 9 Sep, 2006 06:24 pm
neologist wrote:
It might be prudent to investigate the possibility of God given requirements.

We should check it out, at least. IMO


Why?
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neologist
 
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Reply Sat 9 Sep, 2006 07:35 pm
InfraBlue wrote:
neologist wrote:
It might be prudent to investigate the possibility of God given requirements.

We should check it out, at least. IMO


Why?
He might slap us silly if we don't Laughing
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megamanXplosion
 
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Reply Sat 9 Sep, 2006 08:00 pm
real life wrote:
Doktor S wrote:
[Since the overwhelming majority of religious belief is not based on sound reasoning, but rather faith.........


An assertion without proof.

from merriamwebster.com we see:

Quote:
Main Entry: be·lief
Pronunciation: b&-'lEf
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English beleave, probably alteration of Old English gelEafa, from ge-, associative prefix + lEafa; akin to Old English lyfan -- more at BELIEVE
1 : a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing
2 : something believed; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
3 : conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence
synonyms BELIEF, FAITH, CREDENCE, CREDIT


emphasis mine

But, oh yeah, I forgot.....

.......you make up your own defintions for words.


That is a nice trick of lights and shadows. You are a master at deception, RL. At the bottom of the page where you pulled those definitions it reads: "For More Information on 'belief' go to Britannica.com." Well, then, what does Britannica.com have to say about belief? It says belief is a "mental attitude of acceptance or assent toward a proposition without the full intellectual knowledge required to guarantee its truth." The phrase "religious belief" complies with the definition given by Britannica.com because a "religious belief" is, essentially, an assertion that is accepted without proof. Don't you hate it when someone turns on all the lights and your shadow-puppets disappear?

real life wrote:
Doktor S wrote:
Would you really forward the proposition that religious belief is based on evidence, not faith?
Thanks for the chuckle.


The 'proposition' ( it is actually a definition, but you may not know the meaning of the word. The definition of the word 'definition' is 'the meaning of the word'. Yes it is simple.) came not from me but from http://merriamwebster.com/


He used the word "proposition" correctly. The definition of "proposition" is essentially "something offered for consideration or acceptance." (That came from Merriam Webster.) He asked if you would offer for acceptance the claim "religious belief is based on evidence, not faith." Do you agree with that claim?

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The way you sort of make up your own reality as you go along is intriguing from a psychological perspective.


I agree.
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real life
 
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Reply Sat 9 Sep, 2006 08:31 pm
megamanXplosion wrote:
real life wrote:
Doktor S wrote:
[Since the overwhelming majority of religious belief is not based on sound reasoning, but rather faith.........


An assertion without proof.

from merriamwebster.com we see:

Quote:
Main Entry: be·lief
Pronunciation: b&-'lEf
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English beleave, probably alteration of Old English gelEafa, from ge-, associative prefix + lEafa; akin to Old English lyfan -- more at BELIEVE
1 : a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing
2 : something believed; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
3 : conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence
synonyms BELIEF, FAITH, CREDENCE, CREDIT


emphasis mine

But, oh yeah, I forgot.....

.......you make up your own defintions for words.


That is a nice trick of lights and shadows. You are a master at deception, RL. At the bottom of the page where you pulled those definitions it reads: "For More Information on 'belief' go to Britannica.com." Well, then, what does Britannica.com have to say about belief? It says belief is a "mental attitude of acceptance or assent toward a proposition without the full intellectual knowledge required to guarantee its truth." The phrase "religious belief" complies with the definition given by Britannica.com because a "religious belief" is, essentially, an assertion that is accepted without proof. Don't you hate it when someone turns on all the lights and your shadow-puppets disappear?


Hi megaman,

The phrase 'full intellectual knowledge required to guarantee its truth' would seem to imply one must be omniscient or else a measure of belief is involved.

This is true.

In this sense, everything we do and 'know' is at least partly belief, because neither you nor I nor any human being has 'full intellectual knowledge' of anything ( it has been said that you do not even know the number of hairs on your head ) ; thus if 'full intellectual knowledge' is 'required' to 'guarantee its truth' we all fall short, don't we?

Except that DS considers himself to be god, so he may think he is exempt.

megamanXplosion wrote:
real life wrote:
Doktor S wrote:
Would you really forward the proposition that religious belief is based on evidence, not faith?
Thanks for the chuckle.


The 'proposition' ( it is actually a definition, but you may not know the meaning of the word. The definition of the word 'definition' is 'the meaning of the word'. Yes it is simple.) came not from me but from http://merriamwebster.com/


He used the word "proposition" correctly. The definition of "proposition" is essentially "something offered for consideration or acceptance." (That came from Merriam Webster.) He asked if you would offer for acceptance the claim "religious belief is based on evidence, not faith." Do you agree with that claim?


Again , it is not a 'claim' that 'I offered' for 'consideration'.

It is the standard dictionary definition of the word.

It is customary in written and oral communication to use common definitions so that each party will be understood.

If you disagree with it, you are certainly free to do something about it.

I have no issue with the Merriam Webster definition.

megamanXplosion wrote:
Quote:
The way you sort of make up your own reality as you go along is intriguing from a psychological perspective.


I agree.


Be careful. Find out first what DS means by terms such as 'reality' , 'intriguing', 'perspective'.

Based on past history, he may not be using them the way you understand the terms.

btw Keep in mind, I made up nothing. I simply quoted from the dictionary.
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megamanXplosion
 
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Reply Sat 9 Sep, 2006 09:23 pm
Quote:
The phrase 'full intellectual knowledge required to guarantee its truth' would seem to imply one must be omniscient or else a measure of belief is involved.


I have full intellectual knowledge that I have five fingers on each of my two hands. I do not believe I have a total of ten fingers, I know I have ten fingers.

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In this sense, everything we do and 'know' is at least partly belief, because neither you nor I nor any human being has 'full intellectual knowledge' of anything


I have full intellectual knowledge about the amount of fingers on my hands.

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thus if 'full intellectual knowledge' is 'required' to 'guarantee its truth'


By inserting the word "is" you are changing the meaning of the text drastically. The original statement is that something is not a mere belief if one has full intellectual knowledge relevant to proving a proposition is true--such as having the ability to count to ten on your fingers to prove you have ten fingers. By inserting the word "is," you have transformed it to mean something akin to omniscience--"full intellectual knowledge [of everything]" is "required."

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Except that DS considers himself to be god, so he may think he is exempt.


Care to provide an example of where Doktor S claims to be a god? I'm puzzled about why you keep repeating this claim and how it relates to this discussion...

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It is the standard dictionary definition of the word.


Be careful when claiming that a specific definition is "the standard" definition. If you type the word "belief" into the box on dictionary.com you will find that their definition is practically the same as Britannica's. You can type the word into Wikipedia and find the same definition. One should be careful when looking in dictionaries because the definitions given can sometimes be the common-use definition and not the literally-accurate definition. Look up Atheist in the American Heritage Dictionary, for example, and you'll see the common-use definition is "immorality" and that isn't a literally-accurate definition at all. One should always cross-reference several sources when deciding on a definition, especially when it comes to terms used by religious groups because they will practically always be the ones who the dictionaries use for the common-use definitions (unbelievers aren't common at all so they rarely get a say in such matters.) Judging by the "atheist" entry at Merriam Webster, which defines it as "one who believes that there is no deity" while excluding the choice of polytheism, it seems that Merriam Webster is also one of those common-use dictionaries. Overall, I do not think the definition you provided is a literally-accurate one.

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It is customary in written and oral communication to use common definitions so that each party will be understood.


The definition of "belief" that I have always used is the same as the one provided by Britannica and Wikipedia. From my reading of theological materials, it seems that most theologians use the Britannica definition of the word.

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If you disagree with it, you are certainly free to do something about it.


Pointing out interpretation errors (confusing literally-accurate definitions from common-use definitions) is all that needs to be done.

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I have no issue with the Merriam Webster definition.


Including this part: "BELIEF may or may not imply certitude in the believer"?
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real life
 
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Reply Sat 9 Sep, 2006 10:09 pm
megamanXplosion wrote:

Care to provide an example of where Doktor S claims to be a god? I'm puzzled about why you keep repeating this claim and how it relates to this discussion...


from http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=68554&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=autotheism&start=60

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But none of that has anything to do with what you were talking about, ie deities in Satanism. There is but one, and He is indeed superior to any other from where I sit. More hansom too.



Arella Mae wrote:
And just who would HE be, Doktor S?


Quote:
Why, me of course.
Do try to follow





from http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1732651&highlight=autotheism#1732651

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We have a good deal of atheists, a lesser amount of theists, some agnostics( read:weak theists) and a smattering of other external deity religious folks here.
As far as I can see, I am the only autotheist.

Bob the skeptic says:
"Autotheist?? So you think YOU are GOD??"

Yes, I sure do. But this hinges on the definition of 'god'. The word is pretty flexible in meaning but I define it differently than most, in regards to myself.


It is only relevant because DS shows a repeated propensity for redefining words to suit his own peculiar whim, as he candidly admits in the quote provided, but has tended to deny ever since when confronted with the foolishness of such a practice.

His use of 'special definitions' may indicate that he is a 'special person', but it is a general hindrance to communication, since most folks tend to understand each other based on commonly held definitions of words, i.e. those defined by standardized tools like dictionaries.

So it is no surprise that DS's definition of belief is diametrically opposed to that found in the dictionary.
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snood
 
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Reply Sat 9 Sep, 2006 10:23 pm
Hey real life, you know who the author of confusion is...
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real life
 
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Reply Sat 9 Sep, 2006 10:47 pm
snood wrote:
Hey real life, you know who the author of confusion is...


Good to hear from you snood.

Yes indeed you are right. It has been the modus operandi of every propagandist ever since to muddle the language as well.

You know , talking to DS reminds me of a scene out of 1984[/i].

Orwell paints a vivid picture of a world where the meaning of words are turned on their heads.

The people come to accept slogans such as :

War is Peace

Freedom is Slavery
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agrote
 
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Reply Sun 10 Sep, 2006 09:05 am
I wish you'd stop bickering like children. You're not debating an issue - you're making digs at each other.
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Sun 10 Sep, 2006 02:07 pm
Thank you, real life, for posting a link to my autotheism thread. Now, the discerning reader can separate your off the wall propaganda from my actual position.
Anyone with a modicum of intelligence can tell I have never claimed to be 'the' god, just my own.

By the way, since you like to try to twist this bit into every thread you can wedge it in, let me re-iterate your idea that 'god' is only correct when used in a judeo-christian context demonstrates the narrow scope of your entire worldview.
Not that any further demonstration is required, mind you.
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megamanXplosion
 
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Reply Sun 10 Sep, 2006 03:42 pm
real life wrote:
megamanXplosion wrote:

Care to provide an example of where Doktor S claims to be a god? I'm puzzled about why you keep repeating this claim and how it relates to this discussion...


from http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=68554&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=autotheism&start=60

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But none of that has anything to do with what you were talking about, ie deities in Satanism. There is but one, and He is indeed superior to any other from where I sit. More hansom too.



Arella Mae wrote:
And just who would HE be, Doktor S?


Quote:
Why, me of course.
Do try to follow





from http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1732651&highlight=autotheism#1732651

Quote:
We have a good deal of atheists, a lesser amount of theists, some agnostics( read:weak theists) and a smattering of other external deity religious folks here.
As far as I can see, I am the only autotheist.

Bob the skeptic says:
"Autotheist?? So you think YOU are GOD??"

Yes, I sure do. But this hinges on the definition of 'god'. The word is pretty flexible in meaning but I define it differently than most, in regards to myself.


It is only relevant because DS shows a repeated propensity for redefining words to suit his own peculiar whim, as he candidly admits in the quote provided, but has tended to deny ever since when confronted with the foolishness of such a practice.


The word "god" does not have any standard definition. If you ever watch two philosophers or theologians participating in a structured debate concerning two religious ideologies, you will notice that they attempt to agree on a definition for the purpose of that one particular debate. This is one of the most embarrassing problems that philosophy and theology both face. In order for a word to be redefined there must have been a standard definition before a different one was given. There never was a standard definition for the word "god." As such, Doktor S could not have redefined the word.

real life wrote:
His use of 'special definitions' may indicate that he is a 'special person', but it is a general hindrance to communication, since most folks tend to understand each other based on commonly held definitions of words, i.e. those defined by standardized tools like dictionaries.


Again, and I cannot stress this enough, quit abusing the concept of standardization. Dictionaries are useful tools indeed, but they are not standardized. There is no governing body that ensures all dictionaries carry the same definition for the words they contain.

real life wrote:
So it is no surprise that DS's definition of belief is diametrically opposed to that found in the dictionary.


Here you make the same mistake. Doktor S' definition of belief may or may not be opposed to "a dictionary" but one cannot claim it is opposed to "the dictionary." There isn't a single dictionary--"the" dictionary. You have again implied that Merriam Webster's definitions are the "standard" definitions.

As for whether Doktor S' definition disagrees with Merriam Webster's definition, it does not. If you pay attention, Real Life, you will see that all three definitions provided all make room for the definition provided by Doktor S. The only definition that even comes close to disagreeing with the definition given by Doktor S is number three, but even that one indicates, with the use of the word "especially," that it is an especial definition. Using the same dictionary for the sake of consistency, one finds that "especial" could mean "highly personal." When put into perspective, the definition that Doktor S gave does not, in any way, contradict the definition given by Merriam Webster.

The definition that Doktor S provided is an accurate one. You can ascertain this by cross-referencing multiple dictionaries, encyclopedias, and various other sources. So far, Britannica, Merriam Webster, Wiktionary, and Dictionary.com all agree with the definition provided by Doktor S. If this is not convincing enough then feel free to research the etymological roots of the word. The word belief is a compound of two words, "be" and "lief." The word "lief" originates from the Old English "leafa." (The E should have a dash over it, but this forum doesn't like those characters.) Leafa essentially means "wish." So, putting the two words back together one gets be+wished. That agrees with the definition given by Doktor S also.

If you are going to accuse someone of fabricating definitions, it would be helpful if you read your source of information properly and to preferrably have more than one source.

real life wrote:
You know , talking to DS reminds me of a scene out of 1984.

Orwell paints a vivid picture of a world where the meaning of words are turned on their heads.


Owell's proverbial painting is more akin to people like yourself than those like Doktor S.

Doktor S wrote:
Thank you, real life, for posting a link to my autotheism thread. Now, the discerning reader can separate your off the wall propaganda from my actual position.

Anyone with a modicum of intelligence can tell I have never claimed to be 'the' god, just my own.


I agree. From reading the discussion, one can easily discern the difference.

Doktor S wrote:
By the way, since you like to try to twist this bit into every thread you can wedge it in, let me re-iterate your idea that 'god' is only correct when used in a judeo-christian context demonstrates the narrow scope of your entire worldview.


I agree.

Doktor S wrote:
Not that any further demonstration is required, mind you.


I agree.
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