Well, for one thing, an atheist doesn't bear the guilt of the religions who perpetrated or supported the Crusades, the Inquisition, the Holocaust, the Rwandan Massacre, the suicide bombings. . . that stuff, you know.
[Since the overwhelming majority of religious belief is not based on sound reasoning, but rather faith.........
Main Entry: be·lief
Pronunciation: b&-'lEf
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English beleave, probably alteration of Old English gelEafa, from ge-, associative prefix + lEafa; akin to Old English lyfan -- more at BELIEVE
1 : a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing
2 : something believed; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
3 : conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence
synonyms BELIEF, FAITH, CREDENCE, CREDIT
Do atheists, for instance, hold that atheism was used, or misused, by atheist communist regimes that slaughtered millions?
Most atheists, I would suspect, think that was a misuse of atheist philosophy.
I would hope that all of them do, but that is not the case.
Doktor S wrote:[Since the overwhelming majority of religious belief is not based on sound reasoning, but rather faith.........
An assertion without proof.
from merriamwebster.com we see:
Quote:emphasis mineMain Entry: be·lief
Pronunciation: b&-'lEf
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English beleave, probably alteration of Old English gelEafa, from ge-, associative prefix + lEafa; akin to Old English lyfan -- more at BELIEVE
1 : a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing
2 : something believed; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
3 : conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence
synonyms BELIEF, FAITH, CREDENCE, CREDIT
But, oh yeah, I forgot.....
.......you make up your own defintions for words.
Like when you refer to yourself as god.
Ok, sorry to interrupt your fantasy. Proceed.
real life wrote:Doktor S wrote:[Since the overwhelming majority of religious belief is not based on sound reasoning, but rather faith.........
An assertion without proof.
from merriamwebster.com we see:
Quote:emphasis mineMain Entry: be·lief
Pronunciation: b&-'lEf
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English beleave, probably alteration of Old English gelEafa, from ge-, associative prefix + lEafa; akin to Old English lyfan -- more at BELIEVE
1 : a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing
2 : something believed; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
3 : conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence
synonyms BELIEF, FAITH, CREDENCE, CREDIT
But, oh yeah, I forgot.....
.......you make up your own defintions for words.
Like when you refer to yourself as god.
Ok, sorry to interrupt your fantasy. Proceed.
rofl. evidence.
Evidence such as you have presented over your long stay at A2K?
Would you really forward the proposition that religious belief is based on evidence, not faith?
Thanks for the chuckle.
How do you reconcile your continued existence with the seemingly pointless cycle of life and death on earth?
How do you cope with your insignificance in comparison with the universe (and whatever lies beyond that)?
How do you view death? Are you afraid of it? Ambivalent?
But what is the purpose of your existence?
If God does exist, we no longer may assume license to govern our own lives, independent of whatever God may require.
neologist wrote:If God does exist, we no longer may assume license to govern our own lives, independent of whatever God may require.
Why not? We assume license to govern our own lives independen to whatever God may require. Why would the existence of God change that?
Doktor S wrote:real life wrote:Doktor S wrote:[Since the overwhelming majority of religious belief is not based on sound reasoning, but rather faith.........
An assertion without proof.
from merriamwebster.com we see:
Quote:emphasis mineMain Entry: be·lief
Pronunciation: b&-'lEf
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English beleave, probably alteration of Old English gelEafa, from ge-, associative prefix + lEafa; akin to Old English lyfan -- more at BELIEVE
1 : a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing
2 : something believed; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
3 : conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence
synonyms BELIEF, FAITH, CREDENCE, CREDIT
But, oh yeah, I forgot.....
.......you make up your own defintions for words.
Like when you refer to yourself as god.
Ok, sorry to interrupt your fantasy. Proceed.
rofl. evidence.
Evidence such as you have presented over your long stay at A2K?
Would you really forward the proposition that religious belief is based on evidence, not faith?
Thanks for the chuckle.
You are welcome.
I am sure that reading the dictionary may provide you with many such chuckles since you are so fond of making up definitions of your own as you go along.
The 'proposition' ( it is actually a definition, but you may not know the meaning of the word. The definition of the word 'definition' is 'the meaning of the word'. Yes it is simple.) came not from me but from http://merriamwebster.com/
So I have provided the link to insure you countless hours of mirth. Don't thank me, I would do the same for anyone who had no clue how to ascertain the definition of words.
It might be prudent to investigate the possibility of God given requirements.
We should check it out, at least. IMO
neologist wrote:It might be prudent to investigate the possibility of God given requirements.
We should check it out, at least. IMO
Why?
Doktor S wrote:[Since the overwhelming majority of religious belief is not based on sound reasoning, but rather faith.........
An assertion without proof.
from merriamwebster.com we see:
Quote:Main Entry: be·lief
Pronunciation: b&-'lEf
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English beleave, probably alteration of Old English gelEafa, from ge-, associative prefix + lEafa; akin to Old English lyfan -- more at BELIEVE
1 : a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing
2 : something believed; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
3 : conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence
synonyms BELIEF, FAITH, CREDENCE, CREDIT
emphasis mine
But, oh yeah, I forgot.....
.......you make up your own defintions for words.
Doktor S wrote:Would you really forward the proposition that religious belief is based on evidence, not faith?
Thanks for the chuckle.
The 'proposition' ( it is actually a definition, but you may not know the meaning of the word. The definition of the word 'definition' is 'the meaning of the word'. Yes it is simple.) came not from me but from http://merriamwebster.com/
The way you sort of make up your own reality as you go along is intriguing from a psychological perspective.
real life wrote:Doktor S wrote:[Since the overwhelming majority of religious belief is not based on sound reasoning, but rather faith.........
An assertion without proof.
from merriamwebster.com we see:
Quote:Main Entry: be·lief
Pronunciation: b&-'lEf
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English beleave, probably alteration of Old English gelEafa, from ge-, associative prefix + lEafa; akin to Old English lyfan -- more at BELIEVE
1 : a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing
2 : something believed; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
3 : conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence
synonyms BELIEF, FAITH, CREDENCE, CREDIT
emphasis mine
But, oh yeah, I forgot.....
.......you make up your own defintions for words.
That is a nice trick of lights and shadows. You are a master at deception, RL. At the bottom of the page where you pulled those definitions it reads: "For More Information on 'belief' go to Britannica.com." Well, then, what does Britannica.com have to say about belief? It says belief is a "mental attitude of acceptance or assent toward a proposition without the full intellectual knowledge required to guarantee its truth." The phrase "religious belief" complies with the definition given by Britannica.com because a "religious belief" is, essentially, an assertion that is accepted without proof. Don't you hate it when someone turns on all the lights and your shadow-puppets disappear?
real life wrote:Doktor S wrote:Would you really forward the proposition that religious belief is based on evidence, not faith?
Thanks for the chuckle.
The 'proposition' ( it is actually a definition, but you may not know the meaning of the word. The definition of the word 'definition' is 'the meaning of the word'. Yes it is simple.) came not from me but from http://merriamwebster.com/
He used the word "proposition" correctly. The definition of "proposition" is essentially "something offered for consideration or acceptance." (That came from Merriam Webster.) He asked if you would offer for acceptance the claim "religious belief is based on evidence, not faith." Do you agree with that claim?
Quote:The way you sort of make up your own reality as you go along is intriguing from a psychological perspective.
I agree.
The phrase 'full intellectual knowledge required to guarantee its truth' would seem to imply one must be omniscient or else a measure of belief is involved.
In this sense, everything we do and 'know' is at least partly belief, because neither you nor I nor any human being has 'full intellectual knowledge' of anything
thus if 'full intellectual knowledge' is 'required' to 'guarantee its truth'
Except that DS considers himself to be god, so he may think he is exempt.
It is the standard dictionary definition of the word.
It is customary in written and oral communication to use common definitions so that each party will be understood.
If you disagree with it, you are certainly free to do something about it.
I have no issue with the Merriam Webster definition.
Care to provide an example of where Doktor S claims to be a god? I'm puzzled about why you keep repeating this claim and how it relates to this discussion...
But none of that has anything to do with what you were talking about, ie deities in Satanism. There is but one, and He is indeed superior to any other from where I sit. More hansom too.
And just who would HE be, Doktor S?
Why, me of course.
Do try to follow
We have a good deal of atheists, a lesser amount of theists, some agnostics( read:weak theists) and a smattering of other external deity religious folks here.
As far as I can see, I am the only autotheist.
Bob the skeptic says:
"Autotheist?? So you think YOU are GOD??"
Yes, I sure do. But this hinges on the definition of 'god'. The word is pretty flexible in meaning but I define it differently than most, in regards to myself.
Hey real life, you know who the author of confusion is...
megamanXplosion wrote:
Care to provide an example of where Doktor S claims to be a god? I'm puzzled about why you keep repeating this claim and how it relates to this discussion...
from http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=68554&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=autotheism&start=60
Quote:But none of that has anything to do with what you were talking about, ie deities in Satanism. There is but one, and He is indeed superior to any other from where I sit. More hansom too.
Arella Mae wrote:And just who would HE be, Doktor S?
Quote:Why, me of course.
Do try to follow
from http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1732651&highlight=autotheism#1732651
Quote:We have a good deal of atheists, a lesser amount of theists, some agnostics( read:weak theists) and a smattering of other external deity religious folks here.
As far as I can see, I am the only autotheist.
Bob the skeptic says:
"Autotheist?? So you think YOU are GOD??"
Yes, I sure do. But this hinges on the definition of 'god'. The word is pretty flexible in meaning but I define it differently than most, in regards to myself.
It is only relevant because DS shows a repeated propensity for redefining words to suit his own peculiar whim, as he candidly admits in the quote provided, but has tended to deny ever since when confronted with the foolishness of such a practice.
His use of 'special definitions' may indicate that he is a 'special person', but it is a general hindrance to communication, since most folks tend to understand each other based on commonly held definitions of words, i.e. those defined by standardized tools like dictionaries.
So it is no surprise that DS's definition of belief is diametrically opposed to that found in the dictionary.
You know , talking to DS reminds me of a scene out of 1984.
Orwell paints a vivid picture of a world where the meaning of words are turned on their heads.
Thank you, real life, for posting a link to my autotheism thread. Now, the discerning reader can separate your off the wall propaganda from my actual position.
Anyone with a modicum of intelligence can tell I have never claimed to be 'the' god, just my own.
By the way, since you like to try to twist this bit into every thread you can wedge it in, let me re-iterate your idea that 'god' is only correct when used in a judeo-christian context demonstrates the narrow scope of your entire worldview.
Not that any further demonstration is required, mind you.