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Death camp at Guantanamo?

 
 
Reply Wed 4 Jun, 2003 10:36 pm
Does anybody know anything about this? Apparently Amnesty International has posted it. Here is the source:

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/o,4057.6494000%255E2.00html


US plans death camp
May 26, 2003

THE US has floated plans to turn Guantanamo Bay into a death camp, with its own death row and execution chamber.

Prisoners would be tried, convicted and executed without leaving its boundaries, without a jury and without right of appeal, The Mail on Sunday newspaper reported yesterday.

The plans were revealed by Major-General Geoffrey Miller, who is in charge of 680 suspects from 43 countries, including two Australians.

The suspects have been held at Camp Delta on Cuba without charge for 18 months.

General Miller said building a death row was one plan. Another was to have a permanent jail, with possibly an execution chamber.

The Mail on Sunday reported the move is seen as logical by the US, which has been attacked worldwide for breaching the Geneva Convention on prisoners of war since it established the camp at a naval base to hold alleged terrorists from Afghanistan.

But it has horrified human rights groups and lawyers representing detainees.

They see it as the clearest indication America has no intention of falling in line with internationally recognised justice.

The US has already said detainees would be tried by tribunals, without juries or appeals to a higher court. Detainees will be allowed only US lawyers.

British activist Stephen Jakobi, of Fair Trials Abroad, said: "The US is kicking and screaming against any pressure to conform with British or any other kind of international justice."

American law professor Jonathan Turley, who has led US civil rights group protests against the military tribunals planned to hear cases at Guantanamo Bay, said: "It is not surprising the authorities are building a death row because they have said they plan to try capital cases before these tribunals.

"This camp was created to execute people. The administration has no interest in long-term prison sentences for people it regards as hard-core terrorists."

Britain admitted it had been kept in the dark about the plans.

A Downing St spokesman said: "The US Government is well aware of the British Government's position on the death penalty."

Herald Sun
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Anon
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jun, 2003 10:49 pm
Mama:

The link is dead, I don't seem to be able to get it to work!

Anon
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mamajuana
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2003 12:16 am
Try news.com.au, and then type in guantanamo in the search box (don't check the web; check "this site"). Actually, that's how I got it the first time, although it was sent to me orginally.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2003 12:42 am
Using google search (for 'news' and 'web'), it seems that this mostly has been published in Australia around May, 25 - 27..
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2003 01:48 am
I have looked for some info at Amnesty International's website - I could find nothing - which may simply mean that I am searching wrongly!

The article carries no attributions - and I have searched the BBC website, since a British source is quoted.

Any info from the American side?
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2003 01:58 am
Without giving an opinion on the article here are some links:

http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,6494000%255E401,00.html

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=US+has+floated+plans+to+turn+Guantanamo+Bay&btnG=Google+Search
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2003 02:08 am
Thanks Craven!

news com is Murdoch. Blaaaah.

I would give more credence to the Brisbane Courier Mail, except that their story seems to be a direct lift from News Corp.


Hmmmmmmmm.....
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2003 02:10 am
Google pages do not look ESPECIALLY neutral!
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mamajuana
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2003 11:51 am
Given Murdoch's political bents - why would he carry such a story? Or is it anything goes?

The thing is, that where I would have dismissed this a while ago (mostly because of Murdoch), so much is coming to light that I have increasing doubts.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2003 03:56 pm
Indeed.
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wolf
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2003 12:05 pm
Death Camp: http://www.msnbc.com/news/919725.asp

Concerning Google, I too am impressed by the subjectivity in Google's news search and page ranking. I have no doubt in my mind that they have become one of the many compromised companies since Bush and the CIA came to power.
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steissd
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2003 12:11 pm
Well, who has ever tried prisoners in the Death Camps, regardless of these being Nazi or Stalinist ones: they were shot, hanged or gassed there without any judicial procedure. And usage of military tribunals is not illegal either, these people were captured in process of their armed resistance to the U.S. Army. By the way, the American defense attorney would be provided to the suspects, the thing that could be hardly imagined in any extinction camp. And no one excludes possibility of exoneration of those that appear being innocent.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2003 12:16 pm
AG Ashcroft is asking congress to expand their authority to incarcerate anybody that is charged with terrorist activities. This justice department has already incarcerated innocent people without any rights to counsel. He also wants the authority to execute those that his department deems as terrorists. If we want to fear anything in this country, it's a little too late. c.i.
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steissd
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2003 12:20 pm
CI wrote:
AG Ashcroft is asking congress to expand their authority to incarcerate anybody that is charged with terrorist activities. This justice department has already incarcerated innocent people without any rights to counsel.

A person charged with involvement in terror is innocent???
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LibertyD
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2003 12:35 pm
steissd wrote:

A person charged with involvement in terror is innocent???



How do you know until they are fairly tried? A charge is exactly that -- a charge. I could charge you with terrorism right here, but would that make me right simply because I made the accusation? I certainly hope not.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2003 12:36 pm
Well, steissd, usually someone is innocent until convicted ("innocent until proven guilty"), at least in democracies with independent judges.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2003 12:39 pm
I also fear people like steissd. c.i.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2003 12:40 pm
And the number of them is growing, c.i.!
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steissd
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2003 12:40 pm
Why should you fear me, CI? You are not a terrorist, as far as i think.
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Equus
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2003 12:50 pm
I find it interesting that the Guantanamo 'detainees' are denied legal due process because they are prisoners of war; and are denied Geneva Convention rights because they are criminals. Which is it?
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