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Strangly enough thats my history Wolf, two private schools, and the in word open mindedness but in acts the closed minded we are suppior.

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I didnt mean to offend you but i stand by my statement bc if you knew anything on christianity you would see that the most important thing that happened is that christ died and rose from the grave...that is prophecied as early back as genesis and all throughout the bible....your statement that his death hasnt helped us from dying or suffering also backs up my pt...all his disciples died horrible deaths but john (who lived in prison most of his life) most of the prophets of the ot were killed in horrible ways...Christs death has nothing to do with our physical death or any suffering we are a part of now. the bible is clear that those things will happen but the important thing is that we have a chance at eternal life...

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That kind of thinking helps to promote a horrible, let them be attitude to things that quite a lot of right-wing Christians take on.
They don't care about helping people. They don't care about the suffering of others, because it can all be made better in the afterlife. That's no way to live

that is so wrong.......Christians are taught by Christ to love everyone and to help anyone in need. any follower of Christ does that...the sbc is the third largest organization in the country right behind the red cross for disaster relief...Our people are still in mississippi and new orleans helping out.. Christians risk their lives everyday in countries such as africa, sudan, china etc to not only take the gospel but to help with poverty and sickness...Check out "drs without borders org" or "namb(north american mission board)...its an unfair evaluation to say Christians care nothing for others....we do alot to help ...

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But no matter what you do as a christian you can be instantly redeamed. I can go shoot five babies in the face and say im sry jesus and im off the hook, but if i save 25 babies from a buring bus i get nothing.

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I didnt mean to offend you but i stand by my statement bc if you knew anything on christianity you would see that the most important thing that happened is that christ died and rose from the grave...

I wasn't offended, but I did want to point out to you that not every Christian agrees with you and just because you think it's important does not make it true.

The most important thing about Christ's life is his teachings.

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that is prophecied as early back as genesis

Now that's a bare-faced lie. I can understand it if you said something like Isiah, but Genesis? No way. Not Genesis, not even Exodus.

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that is so wrong.......Christians are taught by Christ to love everyone and to help anyone in need.

It doesn't stop people like Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson from claiming to be Christian but doing nothing but preaching hate.

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any follower of Christ does that...the sbc is the third largest organization in the country right behind the red cross for disaster relief...

SBC? I can name another one... ChristianAid. That doesn't stop people from claiming to be Christian yet having nothing to do with Christ's main teachings.

Go to any right-wing state filled with devout Christians and you'll find them.

They'll talk about how people in the US should get their own jobs and it's their own fault if they're too poor to pay for anything. Go to places like "ChristianForums" and you'll find plenty more of their ilk.

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Our people are still in mississippi and new orleans helping out.. Christians risk their lives everyday in countries such as africa, sudan, china etc to not only take the gospel but to help with poverty and sickness...Check out "drs without borders org" or "namb(north american mission board)...its an unfair evaluation to say Christians care nothing for others....we do alot to help ...

Hm... I think you misread my post. Go back up and reread it more carefully. I remember clearly stating that the majority of Christians I know do not believe Christ's death and resurrection is the most important part of their religion and are a result very giving and Christian (as in following his bizarrely Buddhist teachings).

They're the kind that would donate to people that need it, that would help people if they need it.

Of course, I also think that we're going at loggerheads here because our definition of Christian differs. My definition focuses mainly on people who follow his teachings. Obviously, I don't believe that Christians are those who merely follow his teachings because if I do, then Buddhists would end up being defined as Christians if I do that.

Off topic: Seriously, I really think Christ must have been influenced by Buddhists. Most of his teachings do have this vague Zen flavour to them.

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But no matter what you do as a christian you can be instantly redeamed. I can go shoot five babies in the face and say im sry jesus and im off the hook, but if i save 25 babies from a buring bus i get nothing

Ok let's start with the basics... the term Christian means literally "Christlike" or "little Christ"....in acts the people that followed Jesus were first called Christians at antioch because they followed, looked and acted like CHrist. So, for anyone today to be counted as a christian they have to follow, look ,and act like Christ.. and Christ is no baby murderer.....

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It is just breathtaking the horseshit the religious fanatics will puke up with a straight face . . .

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and Christ is no baby murderer.....

Im in tears i was laughing so hard at that.....

i seen Christinas in ever way and they completely act differnt to non christians than when they are in the own evironment...very judgemental say that welfare is a scam, that it the parents fault that there children are staving, that they thank god for not making them like the dirty heathens, that the war in Iraq is good b/c we are protected by god and that makes us unbeatable.... And ever christian has thaught and siad this among there Christian friends.

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EpiNirvana wrote:

i seen Christinas in ever way and they completely act differnt to non christians than when they are in the own evironment...very judgemental say that welfare is a scam, that it the parents fault that there children are staving, that they thank god for not making them like the dirty heathens, that the war in Iraq is good b/c we are protected by god and that makes us unbeatable.... And ever christian has thaught and siad this among there Christian friends.

Well, over there anyway.

Over here in the UK, many Christians are the opposite, although the number of undesirable Christians is growing over here. (Undesirable Christians in the context of this post is defined as hypocritical Christians that would make Christ turn in his grave, if he occupied one that is).

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Wolf ok first off genesis 3:15 is prophetic on Christ..... And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel."

secondly....if a person follows Jesus' teachings they would believe he is the only hope for eternal life. many if Jesus' teachings revolve around him being our only salvation and hope....noone can call themselves a christian cause they follow a few of his teachings and discount the ones on hell, heaven and salvation. Also Jesus taught that he would die for us to have eternal life......that is why his death burial and resurrection is crucial to christian belief......so to sum that up, a person can't be a christian unless they believe Jesus is Gods son who died for us and rose from the grave(as he said he would) for eternal life(as he promised)..and btw i would be categorized as a right wing christian bc i believe the bible is the infallible innerant word of God and that Christ is the only way to heaven. and you cant use falwell and robertson as an accurate portrayal of all conservative christians thats unfair and way too general....

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i seen Christinas in ever way and they completely act differnt to non christians than when they are in the own evironment...very judgemental say that welfare is a scam, that it the parents fault that there children are staving, that they thank god for not making them like the dirty heathens

it's very ignorant (not trying to be rude) to judge all christians by a few so called christians.......how many have you met that act like that...are you sure they are born again christians or just ppl playing church that call themselves christians...you got stats!!?? also read the bible, its clear throughout the epistles that many ppl in the church were calling themselves christians yet living horribly. the apostles warned they werent christians at all....

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Wolf ok first off genesis 3:15 is prophetic on Christ..... And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel."

Okay, that's really stretching the meaning of that phrase. I've read that and to me, its clearly not prophetic. It's talking about the serpent for crying out loud, not Satan.

In the original Old Testament, satan was a job description. It was basically like some kind of prosecutor as appointed by God. The idea of the Christian Devil is not Biblical and is rather paganistic.

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so to sum that up, a person can't be a christian unless they believe Jesus is Gods son who died for us and rose from the grave(as he said he would) for eternal life(as he promised)..

I never said that wasn't the case, but I did say that some had an unhealthy fixation with something which in my opinion is rather unimportant to how they should live. If you believe that christ died and rose from the grave, fine. But it's the teachings that are far more important.

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and btw i would be categorized as a right wing christian bc i believe the bible is the infallible innerant word of God and that Christ is the only way to heaven. and you cant use falwell and robertson as an accurate portrayal of all conservative christians thats unfair and way too general....

No. No, you would be categorised as a fundamentalist Christian. I know a friend that's a Fundie, but he's left-wing. He votes Democrat, because he believes the Republicans are very unchristian.

Now if you said you believed the Bible to be the infallible word of God and that you voted Republican, then you'd be a right-wing fundamentalist Christian.

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Okay, that's really stretching the meaning of that phrase. I've read that and to me, its clearly not prophetic. It's talking about the serpent for crying out loud, not Satan

even if you dont believe its prophetic or that satan is the serpent, scripture shows it and i believe scripture...
The great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him. rev 12:9
He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. rev 20:2
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In the original Old Testament, satan was a job description. It was basically like some kind of prosecutor as appointed by God. The idea of the Christian Devil is not Biblical and is rather paganistic.

Satab in hebrew is !tX which means superhuman adversary...even the old testament shows that satan was a fallen angel who rebelled against God and tempted ppl to sin etc....Job 1, Isa 14:12, Zech 3:1-2....
Christ even taught on satan and warned us about him......Mt 12:26, Luke 10:18, luke 22:31...and many more

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I never said that wasn't the case, but I did say that some had an unhealthy fixation with something which in my opinion is rather unimportant to how they should live. If you believe that christ died and rose from the grave, fine. But it's the teachings that are far more important

um that is what Christ taught ......he himself taught that he had to die for our sins and that only by his death and resurrection could we live...i understand that you dont feel its important but Christ surely did bc he talked on it quite a bit and even died for us....and btw i am a right wing republican christian Very Happy

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Wolf_ODonnell wrote:

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To me, its so humbling to know that my God loves me enough to come and die for me on a cross for my sins.

Personally, I'd be disappointed and would have preferred it if he didn't die on a cross, as it would have done nothing for us. The fact that barely anything has changed in the terms of people dying shows us that Jesus' death solved nothing and things would have been much better if he had lived (well, not by that much admittedly, but one likes to hope).

The obsession with Christ being crucified is to me, the most horrible and unchristian thing I've ever seen.

Since you refer the fact that nothing has changed in terms of people dying, you obviously do not understand the spiritual death and separation from God as being the death that is spoken of.

The last paragraph will seem strange to Christians since it is the basis of Christianity.

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No. No, you would be categorised as a fundamentalist Christian. I know a friend that's a Fundie, but he's left-wing. He votes Democrat, because he believes the Republicans are very unchristian.

Now if you said you believed the Bible to be the infallible word of God and that you voted Republican, then you'd be a right-wing fundamentalist Christian.

How would you categorize the millions of Christians who are not Americans and neither Democrate or Republicans? Confused

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Since you refer the fact that nothing has changed in terms of people dying, you obviously do not understand the spiritual death and separation from God as being the death that is spoken of.

The last paragraph will seem strange to Christians since it is the basis of Christianity

Yes intrepid. my point exactly except you said it with fewer words lol

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Hi kate4christ03. Nice to meet you.

I am a man of few words. Some like to go on and on with a multitude of words to say very little. I prefer to get to the point.

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nice to meet you also Intrepid Very Happy

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um that is what Christ taught ......he himself taught that he had to die for our sins and that only by his death and resurrection could we live...i understand that you dont feel its important but Christ surely did bc he talked on it quite a bit and even died for us....and btw i am a right wing republican christian

Jesus teachings are most important, weather you believ he is messiah or not everyone should learn to treat on another....He didnt die for our sins he died b/c of the pharisses have there thunder taken by someone else. And them being as powerful as they were they got the ppl to join in the riot.

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and btw i am a right wing republican christian

I would have never guesed!

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and btw i am a right wing republican christian

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I would have never guesed!

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