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God= divine Ogre analogy.

 
 
kate4christ03
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 09:01 pm
Godless commie!!!!!!!! lol I don't believe that has anything to do with the subject content.......My point still stands
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kate4christ03
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 09:03 pm
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God is like some1 holding a gun to your head and saying : you have free choice but if you dont do what i say ill shoot you."


well if you see it that way....do you want your brains blown out........... Very Happy
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Eorl
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 11:00 pm
...and spoken with a smile like a True Christian.

Welcome to A2K Kate.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 11:01 pm
Welcome Kate4Christ! And yes, before anyone suspects anything I did tell Kate4Christ about this forum and invited her to post here, as she likes to discuss religion.

I see you have met some of the regulars Kate. I'm sure you will be meeting more! Glad to see you!

And Kate, you know me as Momma Angel :wink:

Eorl, truer words were never spoken! Good to see you too! Laughing
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 10:06 am
We could ask with perfect justification whether the sacrifice of the son (Jesus) by the father is a not a reflex of human sacrifice and/or the murder of opponents just because they are opponents.
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Wolf ODonnell
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 10:16 am
Actually, I'd like to say that God is more like Big Brother from 1984, with Goldstein as the Devil. Both are mysterious figures that may or may not exist, but who are genuinely revered and reviled respectively.

BB may not be directly responsible for many of the evils of his tyrannical regime, but his followers and lackies certainly are. Same goes for Goldstein.
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EpiNirvana
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 10:45 am
Epirnirvana wrote:
God is like some1 holding a gun to your head and saying : you have free choice but if you dont do what i say ill shoot you."



Kate4Christ03 wrote:
well if you see it that way....do you want your brains blown out...........


Eorl wrote:
...and spoken with a smile like a True Christian.

Welcome to A2K Kate.


Arella Mae wrote:
Welcome Kate4Christ! And yes, before anyone suspects anything I did tell Kate4Christ about this forum and invited her to post here, as she likes to discuss religion.

I see you have met some of the regulars Kate. I'm sure you will be meeting more! Glad to see you!

And Kate, you know me as Momma Angel

Eorl, truer words were never spoken! Good to see you too!



We are like a big family...a big, strange family.
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neologist
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 11:13 am
plainoldme wrote:
We could ask with perfect justification whether the sacrifice of the son (Jesus) by the father is a not a reflex of human sacrifice and/or the murder of opponents just because they are opponents.
If you read carefully, you will see that Jesus, in fact, willingly sacrificed himself. He acted both as priest, told by his father: "You are a priest forever according to the manner of Mel·chize·dek." (Hebrews 5:6)

And as the sacrifice: "But this [man] offered one sacrifice for sins perpetually and sat down at the right hand of God. (Hebrews 10:12)
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 11:21 am
Jesus on the cross asked that to have himself removed from the situtation. Besides, some sacrificial victims were willing. That continues to be true in modern cults.
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neologist
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 11:25 am
plainoldme wrote:
Jesus on the cross asked that to have himself removed from the situtation. Besides, some sacrificial victims were willing. That continues to be true in modern cults.
Citation, please.
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neologist
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2006 09:19 am
Pork!?
Pork!?
Wake up Pork!!!
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Pork
 
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Reply Tue 15 Aug, 2006 09:12 am
neologist
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Pork!? Pork!? Wake up Pork!!!


What do you want?

Anyhow:
Epirnirvana wrote:
God is like some1 holding a gun to your head and saying : you have free choice but if you dont do what i say ill shoot you."


Bible seems this way sometimes...

Bc if Jeasus is God then he can stop the Tsunamii- dying on cross is no big deal bc as a God- one has the power to not feel pain...

...
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Tue 15 Aug, 2006 09:58 am
Pork wrote:
neologist
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Pork!? Pork!? Wake up Pork!!!


What do you want?

Anyhow:
Epirnirvana wrote:
God is like some1 holding a gun to your head and saying : you have free choice but if you dont do what i say ill shoot you."


Bible seems this way sometimes...

Bc if Jeasus is God then he can stop the Tsunamii- dying on cross is no big deal bc as a God- one has the power to not feel pain...

...


You seem to lose focus of the fact that Jesus came to earth as a man. With man's feelings, frailties and feeling of pain. That is the purpose of which He came. As a man....not as God. He had to feel what man felt with the same temptations etc. in order to fulfill his commission.
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kate4christ03
 
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Reply Tue 15 Aug, 2006 01:33 pm
exactly Intrepid!!!!!! Phillipians 2 says that Christ being equal to God and being God, willingly lowered himself to come to earth as a man. In doing that he felt all the pain one would feel at being beat with a whip and nailed to the cross.. To me, its so humbling to know that my God loves me enough to come and die for me on a cross for my sins.


John 15:13 Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one's life for his friends.
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Wolf ODonnell
 
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Reply Tue 15 Aug, 2006 03:01 pm
kate4christ03 wrote:
To me, its so humbling to know that my God loves me enough to come and die for me on a cross for my sins.


Personally, I'd be disappointed and would have preferred it if he didn't die on a cross, as it would have done nothing for us. The fact that barely anything has changed in the terms of people dying shows us that Jesus' death solved nothing and things would have been much better if he had lived (well, not by that much admittedly, but one likes to hope).

The obsession with Christ being crucified is to me, the most horrible and unchristian thing I've ever seen.
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EpiNirvana
 
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Reply Tue 15 Aug, 2006 03:11 pm
i think Jesus IF he was god could you know, maybe do something beautiful instead of the most grusome blood and gore for "love". Van Goh (sp?) cutting off his ear for his girldriend didnt seam like love.
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kate4christ03
 
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Reply Tue 15 Aug, 2006 03:16 pm
wolf o donnell said
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Personally, I'd be disappointed and would have preferred it if he didn't die on a cross, as it would have done nothing for us. The fact that barely anything has changed in the terms of people dying shows us that Jesus' death solved nothing...The obsession with Christ being crucified is to me, the most horrible and unchristian thing I've ever seen


well wolf it seems you know nothing of christianity. First off Christ's dying on the cross has no affect on our physical deaths. According to scripture its appointed unto all men to die (physically). His death on the cross was a sacrifice for our sins, so that we could have eternal life (in heaven with God). So if it appears that christians are obsessed with Christ's crucifixion, be aware we are just as obessessed with him rising from the grave!!!!!!!!!!! Because without these two things noone would have a chance at eternal life Very Happy
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 15 Aug, 2006 03:21 pm
Given that there is no good reason to believe that anyone has a shot at "eternal life" because of the alleged death of the putative Jesus, there is little reason to see your exegesis as anything other than a confirmatory babble for your favorite self-delusion.
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EpiNirvana
 
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Reply Tue 15 Aug, 2006 03:24 pm
B/c Jesus was crucified, and came back to like we can live with god without death like god.....hmmmm, lets take a minuet to think about that.
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Wolf ODonnell
 
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Reply Tue 15 Aug, 2006 03:35 pm
kate4christ03 wrote:
well wolf it seems you know nothing of christianity.


A false assumption, seeing as you know very little about me.

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First off Christ's dying on the cross has no affect on our physical deaths. According to scripture its appointed unto all men to die (physically). His death on the cross was a sacrifice for our sins, so that we could have eternal life (in heaven with God). So if it appears that christians are obsessed with Christ's crucifixion, be aware we are just as obessessed with him rising from the grave!!!!!!!!!!! Because without these two things noone would have a chance at eternal life Very Happy


But that's my point. Wouldn't it have been far better off to make things better for us in this world, than to have lots of suffering? That kind of thinking helps to promote a horrible, let them be attitude to things that quite a lot of right-wing Christians take on.

They don't care about helping people. They don't care about the suffering of others, because it can all be made better in the afterlife. That's no way to live.

Remember, it's this promise of a better afterlife that drives radicalised Muslims to blow themselves up on buses.

It's nihilist and not something Christians should focus on. In fact, many Christians don't focus on it. They focus more on the life we have. Christ's death on the Cross to many Christians I've met is an irrelevant part of their faith. It is his teachings that are far more important.

Saying I know nothing about Christianity is, if you would pardon my language, pure bullshit.

I went to two private schools, both of which were very heavy on ensuring I had a Christian upbringing. The first one insisted I said grace before every meal and worshipped God nearly every morning. In fact, the Scriptures teacher (yes, our class was called Scriptures) was so incompetent the only thing he taught us was Adam and Eve, Cain and Abel, Joseph, Moses, the four Gospels and Acts... every damned year.

If there's anything I can still remember, it's the Creation story, Joseph and his coat, Moses, Jesus and the Pentecost.

The second school was... actually, the second school was supposed to have been founded by a Bishop and you would have thought it was more religious than my first one, but because of its acceptance of pupils from all faiths (including all variations of Christianity) and countries, it was far more lax. It was also damned near impossible to force every child to say grace before their lunch, so they didn't bother.
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