Jesus Christ and Homosexuality.

What I mean by "father complex" if the trinity is true (which I do not believe in) which would logically conclude that Jesus was both father of himself and the son of Mary... Kind of like incest...

Actually, as much as I think the Mary Magdalene crowd is a bit outre, they do put forth a good argument for the Wedding Feast at Cana being Christ's own.

If Mary Magdalene and Jesus were married than that would have happened at a younger age than in Jesus late 20's and Mary as a grown woman. Jewish marriages were arranged at puberty.

Also why did Paul and the apostles refer to Jesus as not being married?

The Mary Madeline crowd as you put it are looking for a physical kingly bloodline exclusive of others without this lineage. This only sets up another monarchy as a socially divisive element. So Jesus Christ would have brought NOTHING different to religious consciousness than the wars that had long plagued the Hebrews. This tripe is just another monarchy to divide people and have holy wars all over again. This conjecture is only propaganda to brand secret societies with something plausibly authentic.

This only corrupts the Christian message that ALL are saved by the blood of Jesus not only those born into a particular physical bloodline.

In the first century all who heard the message both Jew and Gentile received the promise not ONLY those who were the offspring of Jesus and Mary Magdalene.

This Da Vinci stuff is for the birds. The birds that like to set up their caste systems and rule over others like lords rather than the humble servants who submit to the lord of lords in heaven.

Lu 24:49
And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

Comment:
This promise came in the form of fire from heaven on the day of Pentecost in Jerusalem not in the form of a child in France or Egypt.

There is very little truth in the Da Vinci code or the holy blood theories. They only break the scriptures and replace them with another abusive system of power.

Yes Jesus' blood was holy but this blood was shed so that the sins of Adam could be lifted and the holy spirit comforter could come in grace.

This is the great mystery that had the devil known that we ALL could become recipients of the promise THROUGH FAITH he never would have crucified Jesus. This was a NEW birth not the physical birth we all share in common.

1 Corinthians 2:6-8
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: 7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: 8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.


Ga 4:29
But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

1Pe 1:23 -
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible [seed], by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Comment:
The first birth is corruptible because we all die but the spiritual birth is eternal.

The holy grail is the holy spirit.

This is akin to the argument the Mad Magdalen crowd makes. BTW, you realize, I hope, that the arrangement of a marriage is not necessarily its consumation?

John 2:1-11
1 On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. Jesus' mother was there, 2 and Jesus and his disciples had also been invited to the wedding.

Comment:
Wow, wasn't that nice of someone to invite Jesus to his own wedding? (cynical)

"Jesus was unmarried, as were the prophet Jeremiah, John the Baptist, the Apostle Paul, and members of the Essene community."

http://www.jesusdecoded.com/truthbetold1.php?page=100

Matthew 19:12
For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

Hi, Rex.

I consider the Christian idea of "holy spirit" to be equivalent to one's own conscience.

What are your thoughts?

The argument is why would Jesus be asked to fix the wine situation by his mother if he wasn't the host? Anyway, the Bible is full of contradictions and quotes from it can be used to support almost anything.

Think about the holy spirit as a potential for a conscience as opposed to no potential.

Just because someone has the holy spirit does not mean that they have a conscience but they have a means with which to build a consicience in the mind.

Like an automobile.

Some people have an automobile but they only go into it and honk the horn but some learn how to utilize it and operate it.

Just as some operate the spirit in a big way and some only honk the horn.

God teaches the holy spirit which teaches your mind.

Hmmmmm....

I expected you to say that everyone has a conscience, but that the holy spirit, though accessible to all, can only work for those who ask for it.

You seem to imply that a sense of conscience is impossible for someone who has not accepted the holy spirit. Am I twisting your words?

["honk-honk!!"]

echi -- Or, he is implying that not all consciences work, which is contradictory.

Some follow through the motions of a conscience but the spirit is not there.

What does that mean, Rex? Do they just act as if they have a conscience, when really they don't?

The Holy Spirit is not God, it's Angel Gibrael.

Hey, R7.

What do you say? Is a person's conscience the same thing as the holy spirit?

Holy Spirit (the angel Gabriel)

R7,

What do you think is the nature of the unbeliever's conscience?

I think they believe they are generally self-sufficient and that they do not rely on God for their daily sustinance, such as the food and clean water they so desperately need to survive. They do not see these as blessings, but rather just a part of mother nature when in fact God has setup this world as a suitable habitat for us to prosper in, for example the simple fact that a lot plants bear fruit for us to benefit from. These simple things in life that your average person does not really appreciate, but are infact clear signs for those who take notice.

Sorry if I digressed. Back to the original topic.

Let me try it this way. . .

Do you think the unbeliever has a conscience?

Do you have a conscience?