Jesus Christ and Homosexuality.

We are on the same page I am just playing the devil's advocate.

I don't really know.

I am reading this book I have owned for years and never took the time to read. I hate reading books. They are usually full of fungus and make the skin on my fingers peel for months after.

Christianity, Social Tolerance and Homosexuality

If anyone has read this book let me know what you thought.

I obtained this book from a gay roman catholic bishop whom I taught the rightly divided word of God to years ago.

Also,

Lu 22:47
And while he yet spake, behold a multitude, and he that was called Judas, one of the twelve, went before them, and drew near unto Jesus to kiss him.

Lu 22:48
But Jesus said unto him, Judas, betrayest thou the Son of man with a kiss?

Comment:
Sounds like a chapter out of my life...

Also, Judas didn't hang himself with a rope and a tree he impaled himself on a sword. This was the meaning of "hanged".

Sigmund Freud would have a field day on the "sword" phallic symbology.

Jocasta, Oedipus' mother may have used a sword also in her own demise. (I am not certain of that one though.)

I am certain though that Judas did not use a rope but used a sword to do himself in.

Well, I must have had a glass of Pinot writing that last one. It's twelve apostles, not ten. That does give a much better chance of their perhaps being two gays about the apostles. Leonardo, who was gay, may have painted the very feminine looking figure to the left of Jesus not to represent Mary Magdelene but a fairy queen apostle, John?

Yep...

John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

"We can easily reduce our detractors to absurdity and show them their hostility is groundless. But what does this prove? That their hatred is real. When every slander has been rebutted, every misconception cleared up, every false opinion about us overcome, intolerance itself will remain finally irrefutable."

Moritz Goldstein

You can't be slandered on a forum. Slander is spoken. Libel is written. Nobody has libeled you but merely criticized what you have written. It's an anonymous forum although I see you've revealed your real name unless that, too, is bogus.

BTW, congress has written a new law and it's going up for vote by the House and the Senate, I believe in the next session. It will make it illegal to insult or libel anonymously on any chat or forum. In other words, an attorney can locate one's computer and then prosecute that person in court.

Love is the triumph of imagination over intelligence.

Platitude: an idea (a) that is admitted to be true by everyone, and (b) that is not true.

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.



H. L. Mencken

There is no evidence that Leonardo da Vinci was gay -- not that there's anything wrong with that. At best, we have some speculation about his sexuality, along with some Freudian analysis of da Vinci's dreams that is comically wrong. The most we can say about da Vinci's sexuality is that we don't know what he did or who (if anybody) he did it with.

There's scant evidence on many historical figures who many believe to be gay. It's only my opinion that, based on everything I've read and discussed with historians, that he very likely was gay. Even if I could travel back in time, he's isn't my type so I wouldn't be able to prove it that way either.

Because of the neanderthal and fundamentalist nonsense in our land, the contributions of Homosexuals to the world has never been appreciated. Below is a list of those famous people who were homosexual. HOWEVER, IF THEY HAD NOT BEEN PERSECUTED IN THE PAST, I AM SURE THAT WE WOULD FIND THAT AT LEAST FIFTY PERCENT OF GENIUS WAS HOMOSEXUAL...HOMOSEXUAL AND GENIUS ARE ALMOST SYNONYMS.

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Famous Homosexuals
Pedro Aldomovar, filmmaker
Alexander the Great, conqueror
Hans Christian Andersen, writer
Marshall Applewhite, cult guru
Joan Armatrading, singer
Sir Robert Baden-Powell, founder of the Boy Scouts
Joan Baez, singer
Jurgen Bartsch, German serial killer
Sandra Bernhard, actor
Mr. Blackwell, asshole fashion critic
Dirk Bogarde, actor
William G Bonin, serial killer
Chastity Bono, daughter of Sonny Bono and Cher
David Bowie, musician [bisexual]
Marlon Brando, actor [heteroflexible]
Susie Bright, sexpert
John Brunner, science fiction author
William S. Burroughs, writer
Julius Caesar, caesar
Truman Capote, writer
Marilyn Chambers, actor
Traci Chapman, singer
Mary Cheney, daughter of Vice President Dick Cheney
Margaret Cho, comic [heteroflexible]
Montgomery Clift, actor
Kurt Cobain, singer [bisexual]
James Coco, actor
Roy Cohn, Joseph McCarthy's henchman, Mob attorney
Colette, writer [bisexual]
Hart Crane, poet [bisexual]
Aleister Crowley, wicked wicked man
Captain Crunch, hacker
Andrew Cunanan, serial killer
Jeffrey Dahmer, serial killer
James Dean, actor [bisexual]
Ellen DeGeneres, actor
Emily Dickinson, poet
Divine, actor
Matt Drudge, columnist
John du Pont, heir and ornithologist, alleged homosexual
Andrea Dworkin, feminist idiot
Brian Epstein, managed The Beatles
Sergei Esenin, poet [bisexual]
Melissa Etheridge, singer
Rupert Everett, actor
Harvey Fierstein, actor
Malcolm Forbes, businessman [bisexual]
Pim Fortuyn, assassinated Dutch candidate
Jodi Foster, actor
Barney Frank, congressman from Massachusetts
John Wayne Gacy, serial killer
David Geffen, Geffen Records [bisexual?]
Jean Genet, felonious playwright
Boy George, singer
Sir John Gielgud, actor
Allen Ginsberg, poet
Cary Grant, actor [bisexual]
Merv Griffin, television mogul
Hadrian, Roman Emperor
Rob Halford, singer, Judas Priest
Keith Haring, artist
Nina Hartley, actor [bisexual]
Todd Haynes, filmmaker
Anne Heche, actor [bisexual]
Doug Henning, magician [if not gay, downgrade to fabulous]
Pee-wee Herman, actor
David Hockney, artist
John Holmes, porn actor [bisexual]
J. Edgar Hoover, longtime head of the FBI.
Rock Hudson, actor
Javed Iqbal, hunter of street urchins
Elton John, musician
Jasper Johns, artist
Jim Jones, cult guru [bisexual]
Billie Jean King, tennis player
k.d. lang, singer
Charles Laughton, actor
Ralph Lauren, fashion designer
Ursula LeGuin, author
Leonardo da Vinci, genius
Liberace, pianist
Greg Louganis, Olympic diver
Paul Lynde, Hollywood Square
Charles Manson, bisexual, sodomized a boy by force
Robert Mapplethorpe, photographer
W. Somerset Maugham, writer [bisexual]
Armistead Maupin, writer
Joseph McCarthy, Senator and persecutor
Sir Ian McKellen, actor
Freddie Mercury, singer, Queen.
George Michael, singer
Michaelangelo, Renaissance man
Harvey Milk, gay rights activist and martyr
Morrissey, singer
Martina Navratilova, tennis player
Sir Isaac Newton, scientist and celibate homo
Sinead O'Connor, singer
Rosie O'Donnell, talk show host
Joe Orton, playwright
Camille Paglia, author
Carl Panzram, serial killer.
Gilles de Rais, nobleman
Charles Nelson Riley, actor
Rimbaud, poet
Cesar Romero, actor
Eleanor Roosevelt, first lady of Franklin D. Roosevelt [bisexual]
RuPaul, drag queen
Sappho, poet
Dick Sargent, second Darrin on Bewitched
Dan Savage, advice columnist
Matthew Shepard, martyr
Siegfried and Roy, magicians
Richard Simmons, fitness guru
Socrates, philosopher [bisexual]
Annie Sprinkle, sexpert
Gertrude Stein, author
Jeff Stryker, actor
Andrew Sullivan, conservative gay columnist, barebacker
Pëtr Ilich Tchaikovsky, composer
Scott Thompson, comic
Billy Tipton, jazz musician, lifelong male impersonator
Andrew Tobias, writer
Alice B. Toklas, cookbook author
Lily Tomlin, actor
Pete Townshend, The Who [bisexual]
Alan Turing, genius
Gus Van Sant, filmmaker
Versace, fashion designer
Gore Vidal, writer
Bruce Vilanch, joke writer
Andy Warhol, artist [bisexual]
John Waters, filmmaker
Oscar Wilde, writer
Tennessee Williams, playwright

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Why did you bother?
Not that there is anything wrong with it.

I just wanted to help Mr. Light Wizard out. He needed help. He said:

There's scant evidence on many historical figures who many believe to be gay.

So I replicated the list! That list is practically a list of the people who made the world go!

There is nothing that the gay community needs to be ashamed of!

Just as an example- Would ANY of the great writing of the "Lost Generation" been done if it hadn't been for Gertrude Stein?

Of course not!!!!

Hehe that is quite a list, the rest remain in the closet. They are your neighbors, school teachers, health care workers and work out at the gym...

I have just had an epiphany.

No matter how we reason it or logically try to go around it. The Bible takes us into the darker side of human intolerance. The ink has been spilt and it shall always stain us. So out of this evil we still MUST find some sort of hope or virtue. A way to renew our souls.

God is not a cloak to hide intolerance within... That on the outside there is love bashing and then on the inside only judgment, division and terror.

The world is bleeding to death. This ink is spilling off the page now and dripping off of the table onto the floor.

We are all evil. And we have looked into this evil and have known it.

And it is the Bible that convicts each and every one of us. Somewhere in that book there is at least one law the you and I have broken.

Not one single sin will ever enter into heaven.

So some can live knowing they cannot please this impossible OT God. Some are blissfully unaware that they mean absolutely nothing to their creator. A tiny speck of dust in the wind, with no direction at all.

Some suppress this fear and it becomes a life long quest to understand why they feel so bad.

Some translate this fear into rage and the rage spirals down into their own demise.

Some just reject the whole legal part but then seem lost in how to justify anything from that point on.

We are always brought back to a God that is so perfect that we cannot possibly ever look into his face, or utter his real name. We are repulsive to this OT God and we are dead to him. There is no longer any law that we can obey to please this God.

Ro 6:7
For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Ro 8:8
So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Comment:
This is why there is law. One must die inside to live again inside, to return to innocence.

Here is a story I once heard.

There is an eagle indigenous to the middle east that only once in it's life time it will do a remarkable thing. It will fly way high up into the stratosphere and then dive towards the earth as fast as they can. They will dive into the water. For some reason the birds know that this will completely remove every feather from off of their body. They do this because the feathers become old and no longer have the ability to keep them aloft for sustained periods of time. They now have to re-learn how to swim with no feathers and they have to survive and make it to dry land. They remain on dry land and in the sea for several months unable to take flight as their new set of feathers grow in... Then they have to learn how to fly again.

This is baptism of the spirit...

Psalms 103:5 Who satisfieth thy mouth with good things; so that thy youth is renewed like the eagle's.

You know, I have this sneaking feeling that Bernie's being a troll with his posts.

e.g. him equating homosexuality to bestiality, and equating homosexuality with genius.

Lance Bass comes out. I can't help loosing it and ROTFL -- well, duh. Jay Leno quips on The Tonight Show, you mean the rest of the bad is straight?

Bestiality is not a very genius thing... they are an oxymoron not a homosexual...

Bernie slinks out from under his mossy bridge to post sarcastic troll baits but he's no master baiter.

Where is the "oxymoron" in bestiality?

The oxymoron is when you combined bestiality with genius. They negate one another.

I did no such thing. A little early in the day to be drinking.

Even so, you have no idea what an oxymoron is.

Moving away from the topic of "eros" (erotic love).

Jesus asked Peter two times if he did "agape" (the love of God) him? Peter replied back that he did NOT agape Jesus but that he did, phileo (brotherly human love) him. Then thirdly Jesus asked him Peter do you phileo me?

Peter could not agape Jesus so Jesus came down to Peter's level of phileo.

So Peter answered a third time, you know Lord, I just told you, I phileo you (not agape).

So my point is that both phileo and agape are translated likewise as just "love" in the Bible. So one cannot tell in the KJB which kind of love is being referred to unless they look under the surface of the words.

Peter could not agape Jesus (at the time).

It is like Jesus saying, "Do you love me Peter", and Peter saying, "Sure I like ya lord..." Then Jesus says again, "Do you love me Peter", and Peter answering, "I like you very much". Then Jesus asks, "Do you even like me?" Peter says, "Well, I just told you I like you lord.

Jesus replies, "Then feed my lambs..."