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Jesus Christ and Homosexuality.

 
 
RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 10:39 am
I believe Moses was saying fear not in the law for reverence (liberty) is coming...
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 11:30 am
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 06:58 pm
The truth seems as unpopular as it was when Jesus Christ came the first time.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 20 Sep, 2006 09:53 am
God is a songwriter.
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tooold4thisstuff
 
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Reply Fri 22 Sep, 2006 07:30 am
Jesus Christ and Homosexuality
I return after a few days and still find Rex talking to himself and still trying to say that he knows more than scripture does about God's standards.

1 Corinthians 1:20 addresses this problem as well.
"So where does this leave the philosophers, the scholars, and the world's brilliant debaters? God has made them all look foolish and has shown their wisdom to be useless nonsense."

Sins are named,listed, and demonstrated in scripture so mankind will truly "get it", so we'll never be able to say we didn't know we were wrong.

Ephesians 5:5-7 You can be sure that no immoral, impure, or greedy person will inherit the Kingdom of Christ and of God. For a greedy person is really an idolater who worships the things of this world. Don't be fooled by those who try to excuse these sins, for the terrible anger of God comes upon all those who disobey him. Don't participate in the things these people do.

And finally, to further illustrate how serious God is about man's accountability toward Him...Romans 1:20 From the time the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky and all that God made. They can clearly see his invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse whatsoever for not knowing God. WE DO NOT EXIST FOR OUR OWN PLEASURE. We can't live life doing what we please,
even though it is wrong.

Opinions will never change God's standards. His instruction was to HONOR
Him with our lives.

It's not the smartest move to teach people to live as they please, Rex. Think about your responsibility.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 22 Sep, 2006 09:22 am
Re: Jesus Christ and Homosexuality
tooold4thisstuff wrote:
I return after a few days and still find Rex talking to himself and still trying to say that he knows more than scripture does about God's standards.

1 Corinthians 1:20 addresses this problem as well.
"So where does this leave the philosophers, the scholars, and the world's brilliant debaters? God has made them all look foolish and has shown their wisdom to be useless nonsense."

Sins are named,listed, and demonstrated in scripture so mankind will truly "get it", so we'll never be able to say we didn't know we were wrong.

Ephesians 5:5-7 You can be sure that no immoral, impure, or greedy person will inherit the Kingdom of Christ and of God. For a greedy person is really an idolater who worships the things of this world. Don't be fooled by those who try to excuse these sins, for the terrible anger of God comes upon all those who disobey him. Don't participate in the things these people do.

And finally, to further illustrate how serious God is about man's accountability toward Him...Romans 1:20 From the time the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky and all that God made. They can clearly see his invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse whatsoever for not knowing God. WE DO NOT EXIST FOR OUR OWN PLEASURE. We can't live life doing what we please,
even though it is wrong.

Opinions will never change God's standards. His instruction was to HONOR
Him with our lives.

It's not the smartest move to teach people to live as they please, Rex. Think about your responsibility.


I have never advocated that people live as they please...

I have advocate they they be guided by the spirit and not the law...

Freedom from the law should invoke serenity and moderation.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 22 Sep, 2006 09:25 am
Ro 8:14
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 01:51 am
Is heaven on fire?

Mt 3:11
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

Ac 2:3
And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

Re 10:1
And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:

Re 13:13
And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

Re 20:9
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 01:52 am
Liberty without love is anarchy...
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 27 Sep, 2006 03:09 pm
Religious people have an idea of Jesus Christ.

They see him as a judge of the unrighteous,

They see him as a champion of the law and they see this law as the only way to holiness.

When Jesus Christ came the first time the world was lost in blindness.

They magnified certain ritualistic laws above simply loving each other. Thus they could not perceive the lord of all as the messiah and liberator but as a transgressor of their preferential ritualistic laws.

For the weight of sin had become so grievous that it blinded their minds from seeing the simplicity of the truth.

So for generations after the death and resurrection of the son of God, Jesus Christ was misunderstood.

This misunderstanding is still in existence today.

It seems that when he returns in his second coming they will know him even less than they did in his first coming.

They will be expecting a tyrant that will wipe the earth clean of all perceived evil rather than a liberator that will free the enslaved of satan and judge the self righteous by the very same law they impose on others.

They will be stunned and afraid when they realize the liberator is not the wrathful hater of sinners that they expect.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 27 Sep, 2006 04:40 pm
I think the greatest hurdle in my own life is getting the law out of my own head... (transformed)

I have such animosity sometimes. I have had this law engrained into my head until it obscured everything loving and tender I had to offer. I have been judged by all of my friends and family by this law to such a degree that I feel like an alien in this world. I have seen this same judgement lead to the demise of other truly caring people. Now all that seems to be left is a vacuum and a world full of darkness and void that cannot hold the light of Christ Jesus. Yet I am through this same liberty expected to forgive this wrath (law) directed toward me. I forgive but I do not have trust.

Ro 12:2
And be not conformed to this world [law]: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind [liberty], that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works [not grace].
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 27 Sep, 2006 04:52 pm
Rex, you trouble me when you translate the Greek word 'aiÎwñn' as 'law'. That is not correct. The correct translation is:

Noun Masculine
Definition
1. for ever, an unbroken age, perpetuity of time, eternity
2. the worlds, universe
3. period of time, age
Paul was here particularly referring to the moral standards of his day.

Source:
http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?section=2&t=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na&query=world&st=101&pn=6

If you proceed further you will find that the word translated 'mind' means just that.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 27 Sep, 2006 05:17 pm
neologist wrote:
Rex, you trouble me when you translate the Greek word 'aiÎwñn' as 'law'. That is not correct. The correct translation is:

Noun Masculine
Definition
1. for ever, an unbroken age, perpetuity of time, eternity
2. the worlds, universe
3. period of time, age
Paul was here particularly referring to the moral standards of his day.

Source:
http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?section=2&t=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na&query=world&st=101&pn=6

If you proceed further you will find that the word translated 'mind' means just that.


It is substitution I believe....

If the law is flesh and the flesh is "the course of this world" then "the world" spoken of here can be amalgamated by substitution with the word law...

If a = b and b = c then c = a

I am not sure I know what you mean...
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 27 Sep, 2006 05:25 pm
Show me how law = flesh.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 27 Sep, 2006 05:28 pm
Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 27 Sep, 2006 05:33 pm
neologist wrote:
Show me how law = flesh.


Ro 3:20
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Ro 7:5
For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

Ro 7:25
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Ro 8:3
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Ro 8:4
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Ga 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Ga 6:13
For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh.

Eph 2:15
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 27 Sep, 2006 09:59 pm
Evolution is liberty sandwiched between millions of years of sedimentary law...
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 2 Nov, 2006 07:19 pm
WOW!!! Was Jesus that way or are we just having fun? How are you, Frank?
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RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 2 Nov, 2006 10:51 pm
plainoldme wrote:
WOW!!! Was Jesus that way or are we just having fun? How are you, Frank?


If Jesus was gay it would seem (according to the Bible) he never acted upon the impulse.

But, being about 30 and not being married, something was up.

His father complex speaks volumes... Smile
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RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 2 Nov, 2006 10:58 pm
Jesus does not speak of homosexuality in the Gospels although homosexuality was very common at the time of Jesus.

If Jesus did speak of homosexuality someone saw that every single one of these references were removed from all of the text that have survived to today.
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