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REX note the key word "righteousness"....

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kate4christ03 wrote:

REX note the key word "righteousness"....

Mt 11:19
The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

Php 3:9
And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

Peace with God

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yes rex our righteous comes from God whom we believe in through faith.. that is why if we are born again we die to the flesh and all that is unrighteous.....You can't get past all the verses that i gave earlier that say we to die to sin and the flesh........

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kate4christ03 wrote:

yes rex our righteous comes from God whom we believe in through faith.. that is why if we are born again we die to the flesh and all that is unrighteous.....You can't get past all the verses that i gave earlier that say we to die to sin and the flesh........

The law is not the way to the righteousness of God. It is the way to death and wrath (judgment).

Ga 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Ro 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation [judgment/wrath] to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh [law], but after the Spirit [liberty].

Ro 5:9
Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath [judgment] through him.

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"walk" not after the flesh...

Please define the flesh?

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Rex i think your misunderstanding me.....i never said we are to follow the law....etc...we are free from the law of the flesh bc we are dead to the flesh as paul states.......
that is why he lists several sins over and over that are of the flesh that we are to have no part of .......Why? bc we are in the spirit and those in the Spirit dont do the things of the flesh..the verses i gave way back right bf i left for a week....show sins that we are not to do....(there are also many others sins listed in the epistles that we arent to do) we are Called to be righteous and if we fall back into the flesh we are not pleasing God
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Paul is saying that now we are dead to sin, we have no excuse to go back

So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

we can't please God if we are sinning

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kate4christ03 wrote:

Rex i think your misunderstanding me.....i never said we are to follow the law....etc...we are free from the law of the flesh bc we are dead to the flesh as paul states.......
that is why he lists several sins over and over that are of the flesh that we are to have no part of .......Why? bc we are in the spirit and those in the Spirit dont do the things of the flesh..the verses i gave way back right bf i left for a week....show sins that we are not to do....(there are also many others sins listed in the epistles that we arent to do) we are Called to be righteous and if we fall back into the flesh we are not pleasing God
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Paul is saying that now we are dead to sin, we have no excuse to go back

So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

we can't please God if we are sinning

So Kate are you saying flesh is sin (homosexuality)?

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I must honestly say that I have been taught the "flesh" is several things by various people depending on who I was talking to. Laughing

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Sin is disobedience.

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REX in these verses "flesh" is anything that is sin....and yes paul states homosexuality as a sin....as lying or gossipping or adultery etc....

now does that mean that as a christian we never sin ever again,....NO....we will always struggle with sin....but the key is to strive daily to follow Christ...and crucify our flesh....and if we do sin, we repent....

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good to see you back again kate.

You know hwta baffles me? The fact that chrisitians complain so much about being the minority in the world and that everyone looks down on the christian...its b/c the christians look down on everyone!

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thanks epi glad to be back Very Happy

...epi i dont gripe about being a minority group etc in the world Christ said we would be.....and i dont look down on anyone who isnt like me...i honestly love everyone....i only look down on sin ........and any true would be the same way bc that is what Christ teaches....we are to love everyone and hate sin

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kate4christ03 wrote:

thanks epi glad to be back ...epi i dont gripe about being a minority group etc in the world Christ said we would be.....and i dont look down on anyone who isnt like me...i honestly love everyone....i only look down on sin ........and any true would be the same way bc that is what Christ teaches....we are to love everyone and hate sin

Kate I think you have taken liberty with the words "sin and flesh". You have defined them through religion and not through the word.

You have squished words and forced them to fit an ideology of law.

Can you give me chapter and verse where it actually states as you have that "homosexuality is a SIN"...

Again you are takeing liberty with the text to prove an ideology of hate that the Bible does not back up.

The Bible calls homosexuality an abomination (unclean) but I do not see where it is called a sin. Not every abomination is a sin and not every sin is an abomination.

I don't actually see the word sin appearing once in relation with the act of homosexuality in the entire Bible.

For you to just make that assumption just shows that your legalism has pushed you into re-writing the text to fit your ideology of law.

I can show you where your ideology of law is considered a sin though, It is a sin against the LAW of liberty.

Jas 2:12
So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

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Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
1John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

the correlation between these two verses are showing that breaking any law is sin....and lev says not to commit homosexuality...to break this law would have been a sin and the jew would have been killed for it....
(and no Im not saying we are still under the law, i was just showing that its in the bible that homosexuality is a sin bc God said in his law not to do it)

1Cor 6:9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders.
this verse is pretty clear....these are things that God says will hinder one from going to heaven....
Romans 1:26-27 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

These verses are clear that homosexuality isn't pleasing to God...no they don't say its a sin verbatim...but the bible says not to do it and the bible says God wont allow those that do these things into heaven...and well that is what sin is ........sin is anything that is wicked or unclean or displeasing to God......and abomination means something detestable something wicked.....

and Rex your wrong i define sin and flesh as the bible states...all i gave i had verses to back it up.......when it comes to my faith I dont listen to any teaching that isn't in the bible.....nor will i teach anything that isnt biblical.....Im sorry that you think im spouting hate but you asked my belief and i gave it and i havent been hateful..We may disagree on this but i don't hate you....this is what i believe bc Gods word says it.......These verses ive given are really clear....
and the reason we have freedom is bc we are in the Spirit and follow after things of the Spirit not things of the flesh....i gave you many verses on that....liberty doesnt give us an allowance to do things that God says are wicked .....the liberty Christ gave us through his shed blood is freedom from sin .......he has given us another way so that we may not be in bondage....

Gal 5:13 For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.

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So Kate I am guilty of breaking a law that I am free from?

Ro 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

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Rex pls read again the very first thing i wrote under the first two verses...we arent under the law anymore i just pointed out that the bible does state homosexuality is a sin....(bc you said its nowhere in the bible)

then rex i pointed out that outside of the law its still a sin....paul stated that...we are not under the law anymore(if we live in the Spirit).....but there are still rules we have to follow and the epistles show this..note some of the verses in the nt i gave pls... the law is still in effect for those that live in the flesh paul stated this and he said they will be judged by it.......

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kate4christ03 wrote:

Rex pls read again the very first thing i wrote under the first two verses...we arent under the law anymore i just pointed out that the bible does state homosexuality is a sin....(bc you said its nowhere in the bible)

then rex i pointed out that outside of the law its still a sin....paul stated that...we are not under the law anymore(if we live in the Spirit).....but there are still rules we have to follow and the epistles show this..note some of the verses in the nt i gave pls... the law is still in effect for those that live in the flesh paul stated this and he said they will be judged by it.......

So the law, by which we are to be judged, has been revoked, but only for those that have already been judged?(no longer 'in the flesh')
Oh boy, you are precious.
Do continue.

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Doktor S wrote

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So the law, by which we are to be judged, has been revoked, but only for those that have already been judged?(no longer 'in the flesh')
Oh boy, you are precious.
Do continue.

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes
1cor 15:56 The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law.

For those that dont have faith in Christ and do not have the HOly spirit living in them, they are still under the law and will be judged by that....i can provide more verses if needed....

Dok i find it to be immature and petty to patronize others beliefs...

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kate4christ03 wrote:

Doktor S wrote
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So the law, by which we are to be judged, has been revoked, but only for those that have already been judged?(no longer 'in the flesh')
Oh boy, you are precious.
Do continue.

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes
1cor 15:56 The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law.

For those that dont have faith in Christ and do not have the HOly spirit living in them, they are still under the law and will be judged by that....i can provide more verses if needed....

Dok i find it to be immature and petty to patronize others beliefs...

1Co 15:55
O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

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AMEN rex Christ conquered death and sin that is why we have to die to the flesh and live for Christ...or its all in vain.......
1cor15:58 Therefore my brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the works of the Lord know that you labor not in vain

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