Jesus Christ and Homosexuality.

No. Those with homosexual inclinations should seriously evaluate their relationship with God. Do you not think it would be worth the effort?

What Light Wizard does not know is that homosexuality is NOT COMPLETELY BASED ON GENETICS>

If that were so, all Identical Twins in which one was a overt homosexual, would always show that the other one was homosexual also. That is not the case!

LIght WIzard does not know that an overt Homosexual, who I know, who is a brilliant Doctor---Dr. Dean Hamer--the chief of Gene Structure and Regulation at the National Cancer Instituted's Laboratory of Biochemistry, has written in his boook--Living with our Genes--
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"AVERAGING ALL THE STUDIES TO DATE. THE HERITABILITY OF MALE SEXUAL ORIENTATION IS ABOUT 50 PERCENT. THAT MEANS THAT BEING GAY IS ABOUT 50 PERCENT GENETIC AND 50 PER CENT FROM OTHER INFLUENCES..."

Therefore, a young person, who is exposed to some kind of environmental influence that bends him or her towards homosexuality will then tend in that direction if there is a predisposing genetic influence.

Those who have a genetic tendency towards Heart Disease do not always get Heart Trouble IF THEY CAN CONTROL THEIR ENVIRONMENT.

That is why I will always remember my gay Scout Master!!!

Strawman! LW said nothing of the sort and I've never said anything of the sort.

Duh -- the homosexual who tries to conform to society and his family will likely marry and have children, remaining in denial until he realizes he is living a lie, comes out and may or may not destroy his family. The wife can be the most traumatized. The homosexual who someone (who is that?) suddenly is able to change himself into a heterosexual and perhaps have children is just the flip side of the denial. He may use religion to try and fortify this denial, but he is still a homosexual posing as a heterosexual. If you actually believe someone can change back and forth by some myserious magic, you are a fool. Many, many times those gays who try and start a heterosexual life and even marry will being slipping and sleep with other men. Of course, the same thing happens in heterosexual marriages, where the wife or man commit adultery. Half the marriages in this country fail. Now what's your next point?

Gee, controlling one's environment. That means moving away from the city where there are still gays as temptation into the country, as isolated as possible. I'm not saying that some can't live in the denial the rest of their life, but in the majority of cases they end up hurting their female partner and doing damage to the family.

BernardR again wants to write everyone else's comments. As I never stated that environment did not play a hand in the homosexual coming out, he is also making a fool of himself as usual. Controlling that environment was impossible for me. Having had homosexual experiences as early as Junior High School (even hetero's at that age sometimes experiment), by college it turned out that nearly half of my male friends who were attending so-called heterosexual events including drinking parties were gay. Of course, several recognized I was in the closet and one friend I had known since Junior High School (we had gone to Disneyland with his Mom). He remained a life long friend (no sexual attraction whatsoever there), became an insurance company executive and recently passed away.

Controlling an environment does not necessarily make one non-gay. I have met no gay man where he chose to be gay. Not one. Since I live in an area were I meat literally thousands of gay men, that belies the idea that the inherent controlling factor is genetics. You're either wired that way or not. The twins argument is an anomaly of nature which doesn't seem to do all of its work perfectly. I've met three sets of twins in my lifetime where they were both gay. Only met one where one was gay and the other straight. At least I think so.

If anyone here actually belives that sometime after one is born, say one year old to twelve years old, "Gee, I think I will be gay because there are other gay people," or "Gee, I think I will be straight because most people are straight." No, the sexual attraction toward one sex or another, or both sexes is not controlled by environment. The preliminary study of genetics not discovering a "gay gene" means nothing as it is more likely a combination of genes, which also can often manifest itself in very effeminate males. Explain the non-stereotypical gay men who do not show effeminate mannerisms. Explain the effeminate man who is a skirt chaser (I know one personally -- he owns and art gallery and everyone around him believes he could be a closeted gay -- high pitched voice, flamboyant with the hands when he sells art, going our for facials, et al).

All people need to do this, not just homosexuals. God is neither male nor female...

The armchair clerics on these threads abound and have no answers other than their amateur preaching.

Trying to reclassify homosexuality as a disease that can be controlled by environment (which heart disease cannot be controlled entirely by environment anyway) is another strawman ploy.

BTW, the genetic study did not claim that 50% of all homosexuals are entirely the result of genetic lines and 50% is the result entirely of environment. A curious interpretation twisted to suit one's own bias. It's pointing toward the idea that in each individual who is gay, 50% of the cause is genetic and 50% is environment. This is, of course, an arbitrary conclusion based on one inconclusive study, focusing on a single gay gene rather than a combination of genes.

Realizing, of course, that if someone is born in an isolated town in the Mid-west and is not meeting any other gay people who are overtly out, they have no stimulus for coming out. This is Ennis in "Brokeback Mountain," who in addition to not meeting someone else until Jack is actually homophobic himself, and feeling remains throughout their twenty-year relationship depicted in the film. In other words, he will only do it with Jack because he's in love with Jack. In the final scenes, he may have given up his homophobia but it could also be he will not seek out any other man and remain single as he's also rejected a heterosexual relationship. I'm writing for those who have actually seen the film, not to those who have not and prejudicially judged it because their rightwing blogs, et al, have proclaimed it a bad movie with bad morals.

Just the same, it is incorrect to deny the element of choice, albeit it may appear a Hobson's choice to some.

Does one choose to be heterosexual like they choose Rare, Medium Rare or Well Done? This concept of "choosing" is a twisting of semantics and only subjective as psychology/psychiatry are not exact sciences and nature cannot be predicted, nor can it be analyzed by using the techniques of religion. Religion has everything presupposed according to the Bible, including the myths of the Old Testament. Our law comes from Roman Law, otherwise if you did not honor your mother or father (which many will find impossible considering some of the bad parents in this world), there would be legal ramifications. If you eat shellfish, there would be drastic criminal legal ramifications. If you commit adultery, there would be criminal legal ramifications (which one nut-job Republican senator actually proposed in the US legislature recently). Now, in America (finally), there are no legal ramifications for two adult males to "do it" in the privacy of their own hom. Grow up and smell the coffee. It isn't going your way and, again, that slippery slide are all those Medieval nonsensical ideals sliding down history into oblivion. It may be scary to the likes of you, but there is nothing to fear but fear itself (I need not credit that one).

Is anyone here extolling the medical and psychological advantages of the homosexual lifestyle?

hi Lightwiz,

Let me see if I understand you correctly:

A man who lives up to age 25 as a heterosexual and thereafter as a homosexual is 'coming out' and 'expressing his true sexual orientation'.

But a man who lives up to age 25 as a homosexual and thereafter as a heterosexual is just 'in denial' and is 'living a lie'.

Is that about the sum of your belief?

Choose an answer. . .

If you knew anything about genetics and sexual orientation, I would bother to explain it to you in more detail. There is lots of scientifically derived data on the internet on the subject, but most it the phony religious-oriented bs, but some of the psychological studies will actually tryi to understand human sexuality base on controlled observation. The so-called organizations who supposedly can change a homosexual into a heterosexual won't publish their sad statistics but what is divulged from those who have left those organizations, their success rate is not more than 10% on a short study basis. The long range success has yet to be determined. I'm not going to do your homework -- Google it.

There are still mysteries to our sexual make-up and even more to human love. Religion has a cop-out attitude -- to worship a God and use your own free will to determine what course your life takes. Is it necessary to worship an entity that has no proof of it's existance? Nope, I don't believe that. Thereby is our hang-up. You're approaching it from a strictly subjective religious perspective and I am approaching it from some subjectivity for the unknown, but a great deal of objective study on the subject of sexual orientation and our human sexuality in general.

Not really interested in writing a long thesis here -- go to college and study it.

Which you will continue to ignore in favor of strawman arguments.

I submit the homosexual lifestyle is unhealthy regardless of any theological consequence.

"The shadow lives behind the subject."

William Shakespeare (The Merchant of Venice)

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I hope I got this quote right, I can't find any mention of it on the net.

Some confuse the subject with the shadow itself.

Anal intercourse is not relegated to male homosexuals only. The practice is probably more used by the hetro community as a whole than the homosexual community put together. So who over all is promoting "unhealthy" sexual practices? Heteros accuse and insult others of what they do themselves. Yet heteros perform anal intercourse on the weaker female sex rather than a consenting fellow male adult. The heteros use marriage to enforce their "unhealthy" sexual will on a typically physically weaker partner.

I heard said once on a Bible show I recall watching on the discovery channel that there were acceptable Judean practices of men pleasuring themselves anally on their female virgin future wives before they married them... (This to prevent premature conception.)

So the practice is only "unclean" Biblically when it is used promiscuously.

I once remembered reading an article which suggested that the only reason that the male homosexuality is condemned is because they viewed it as demeaning to the person on the receiving end. The dominant male was viewed as making the submissive male more like a female.

Let's face it, the Jews that wrote the Old Testament weren't very progressive in terms of the identity of the female. They were treated as objects as inferior, so it didn't matter if they were engaging in homosexuality or engaging in anal intercourse.