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Mama Taught Me Before I Was Born?

 
 
Letty
 
Reply Tue 27 May, 2003 02:36 pm
I always joked about this, but now? WOW!:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=571&ncid=571&e=2&u=/nm/20030527/hl_nm/fetus_voice_dc_1

Perhaps this is where so called "innate" talent comes from. Cool

Hey, read and sing to your baby before it comes into the world.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 27 May, 2003 02:46 pm
Oh god . . . i mean . . . oh dog forbid . . . just think what passes for "culture" with so many teen-aged mothers, and then consider the implications of what you've written . . .
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 27 May, 2003 02:51 pm
Cool! Not surprised, but cool!
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oldandknew
 
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Reply Tue 27 May, 2003 03:20 pm
I used to talk to my daughter before she was born and my wife assured me that when I did, daughter would start kicking. Maybe it was cos I was telling her about the latest soccer news
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Equus
 
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Reply Tue 27 May, 2003 03:27 pm
The voice of the mother was saying, "Just wait til your Father gets home!" the infant heartrate didn't increase with female strangers because the infant knew they were bluffing.
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CodeBorg
 
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Reply Tue 27 May, 2003 03:43 pm
From the article:
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... fetal heart rate increased when listening to their mothers, and appeared to decrease in response to a recording of a female stranger.

In terms of why a stranger's voice might lower a fetus's heart rate, Kisilevsky said that a decrease in heart rate is often a sign of attention, and the fetus may have paid more attention to a voice it didn't recognize.

"I think it already knew its mother's voice, and was now learning about other voices," she said.


Does this mean kids learn to ignore their mothers at a very early age?
"You just wait until ANYone comes home... Then you'll pay attention!"

What about playing various language tapes, for early learning? Seriously, don't they say that if a child never hears certain phonemes, then they will grow up unable to hear and distinguish the sounds of certain foreign words? It might make learning a language a little easier later on... ok, ok, I'll look for some references. But I swear it's true.


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I always thought that singing to an unborn child is such a beautiful thing.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 27 May, 2003 03:54 pm
It's true, but a little less extreme -- anytime in the critical language period (roughly birth to 5 -- or I guess more accurately, pre-birth to 5), and then if the phonemes are not learned in that time, it's more difficult but far from impossible to learn later.

Interesting tidbit (well, I think it's interesting): There are a limited number of handshapes in signed languages, which are the equivalent of spoken-language phonemes. One such handshape in ASL is the "a" handshape, a loose fist with the thumb laid alongside, near the pointer's bent knuckle. There is a very similar handshape in Chinese Sign Language, only the thumb is much much further back, along the first knuckle or where the finger meets the hand. There was a study that showed that native CSL signers who learned ASL later in life could physically make the ASL "a" handshape, but when they would use it in the course of communicating in ASL, would always revert to the CSL style. So they had an identifiable "Chinese accent" while signing -- it wasn't a physical thing per se but a language thing.

Hope that made some sense -- infinitely easier to show with the signs involved than to try to describe them. Confused
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husker
 
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Reply Tue 27 May, 2003 03:56 pm
Re: Mama Taught Me Before I Was Born?
Letty wrote:
I always joked about this, but now? WOW!:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=571&ncid=571&e=2&u=/nm/20030527/hl_nm/fetus_voice_dc_1

Perhaps this is where so called "innate" talent comes from. Cool

Hey, read and sing to your baby before it comes into the world.


Have believed that to be true for a long time! How many have read to the kiddies in-Uterine?? And played music?
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Letty
 
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Reply Tue 27 May, 2003 06:24 pm
A thumb to suck and a veil to wear. I recall a French photographer was able to depict with camera, a baby in utero. The tiny thing was sucking its thumb and wearing a caul.

This personal observance:

When my son was three months old, he would push himself up on his arms and sway back and forth. We called him our little pachyderm. Hence forth, I would say, " Do your trick..do your trick" and he would respond with that same delightful swaying with a magnificent smile on his face. That was his mother's voice that triggered the response.

OAK, the first kick is called by many, a quickening, signaling that life has begun, hence the expression "....from thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead."

Hey, Sooz, neat thing. You bring to this forum a sense that only you can express, and you always express it well. Bet Sozlet is one wonderful baby..but then, ain't all our babies wonderful? That is, until they grow up and start to ask you why you didn't do something different. Very Happy

Er, I have some pictures here I'd like to show you...SOGWPIP. Very Happy
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BeachBum
 
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Reply Wed 28 May, 2003 07:03 am
True story: Had a friend who was pregnant, but also had a two year old during pregnancy. 2 year old liked a certain song that the mother used to sing or hum to him while he was trying to sleep, was upset, etc. Baby girl was born and the mother got away from singing the song to her son due to son's indifference to it and new priorities with baby. Well, new daughter was a handful, fussy, crying, not handling certain foods well.

One night, when the baby was over 2 months old they were having a really tough night. Girl wouldn't sleep, screaming, crying, just a general nightmare. On a whim or out of old habit my friend started humming the song she used to sing to her son. Baby stopped crying instantly, watched her mother for a few minutes, then fell asleep. During the next few nights, she tried different songs when the baby got upset, but only the song she used with her son and during pregnancy would quiet the baby.

As my wife said, "That's fuckin' creepy". Wonder what they learn when pregnant couple have sex.
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Letty
 
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Reply Wed 28 May, 2003 07:32 am
Wow! BeachBum. That is an eerie tale. Shocked And as to your last question, the unborn tyke probably learns to sleep through all sorts of unruly activities Razz

Oakman, I just got your little joke. Heh! heh! Kicking and soccer. (groan)
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oldandknew
 
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Reply Wed 28 May, 2003 10:59 am
Well Letty, good to see you are on the ball and yoo've got your finger on the pulse
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Letty
 
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Reply Wed 28 May, 2003 11:25 am
Takes me a bit, John, but eventually I'll retrieve it just like a lab whose loch has been picked Razz
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 28 May, 2003 11:53 am
Loch has been picked?

Does this refer to planning a touring vacation in Ireland or Scotland?
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Letty
 
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Reply Wed 28 May, 2003 12:04 pm
Very Happy Smile Laughing Cool

Not "nessie" carily so, Set. Smile Better tick a lock now before I run out of puns.... Embarrassed
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MisterEThoughts
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jun, 2003 01:40 pm
Well, I have read and heard about this many times before I believe it's true because my Uncle and my Aunt they had a baby born about 9 months ago and from the beginning they have been singing and talking to it. It actually smarter then some teenagers I know. It understand everything you talk about it's amazing. Kids are amazing creatures I can't wait until I have my self my own.
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Letty
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jun, 2003 01:46 pm
Hey there MisterETthoughts. Welcome to A2K. Hope you can read and sing. Razz
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the prince
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jun, 2003 03:22 am
Letty, according to Hindu belief, this is a known fact.

Example : According to the Mahabharta, the greatest Hindu epic, Arjun the Pandava king was the only one who knew how to break a certain "Chakarwhew" (a kind of battle formation/maze by the enemy, to trap the opposing army/enemy and kill him). One night, while he was resting with his pregnant wife Subhadra, he was explaining to her how to break into the maze to attack it. Unfortunately, before he could explain how to break out of the maze, she fell asleep.

Years later, during the battle, Mahabharata, Arjun's son by Subhadra, Abhimanyu, was the only one who could take the battle into the heart of the maze WITHOUT being taught how to break into it. However, he could not break out of it, as he did not know how to, and was killed.
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Letty
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jun, 2003 04:32 am
Gautam, that is totally fascinating. I have never heard you discuss Hindu literature before, and this tale is particularly intriguing. Cool
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the prince
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jun, 2003 04:39 am
Tee Hee !!!

Sometimes I do talk abt other things than sex and men in my life - very rare occassions though.....
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