Why the Left Is Furious at Lieberman; Iraq is only a part

BernardR wrote:

ISLAMO FASCIST MURDERERS IS CORRECT!!!!!!!!!!

Many in the Muslim community here in the States who I would think we would need in fighting this murderous ideology would disagree with you vehemently. But you obviously agree with the Bush crime family in using this worthless term to stoke the religious wackjobs who have taken over the Republican party. And your cut-and-paste screed plays right into their apolocyptic mindset. Why else is Bush conferring with some of these doomsday nutjobs? Our own American president, who once uttered "I hear the voices," apparently is hearing the voices of religious zealotry and end-of-days bullshit.

Bush sucks to a wide cross section of the America, as his exploitation of terror and America's fears is becoming more inneffective. But he needs to create these divisions between his Christian nutjobs who are advising him on apocolytpic visions and the Muslim community he truly wishes to pit against us. He needs this perpetual war in order to embolden his neoChristian base, and try and keep religious Republicans from staying at home and not voting for the good 'ol GOP; the party of fear.

I won't even comment on the ridiculous screed regarding Iran, because it is framed within my aforementioned statements. The idiot who wrote that never touches on the youth of Iran, and the fact that they do not see the world as their government does. They are the hope of that country in truly instigating change and reform. Besides, Pakistan already has nukes, and they are the one harboring bin Ladne somehwere near the border. So, that argument is worthless, and is merely designed to create this division between religious ideologies so that we can have a common enemy in which to identify with. This is what keeps the military industrial complex alive and making their billions. Bush once talked about respecting the Muslim community and not demonizing them as he did immediately after 9/11. Now he himself has used the term "islamo fascist." This is the clear sign of desparation regarding the Republican party, and they will stop at no lengths now to create divisions and create an atmosphere of fear by witholding funding for technological surveillance, allowing our porous borders to remain exactly that, and to make sure that most of our ports remain poorly protected.

Bush WANTS another attack on Americans. It's the only way for him to keep us cowering in fear while pretending that he is protecting us. This has been his singular policy and agenday, because he has absolutely NO vision for anything else when dealing with America's domestic woes.

As neocons continuously forget, I shall endlessly remind them that 9/11 happened under HIS watch. London happened under HIS watch (and Blair's). Spain happened while he was president, and so did Aman. And the countless terrorist attacks in Iraq are a clear indication that our men and women in uniform were used as "bait" in which to attract these murderous hooligans by painting targets on their backs. It was Bush's tired old argument that we're fighting them there (in Iraq) so tbhat we wouldn't have to fight them here that has now become completely moot, as well as his attempts to generalize terrorism in political terms rather than effective terms that equate to results and positive change. Those who were busted in the U.K. recently were ALL from the U.K. (born and raised) and several of them only RECENTLY converted to Islam. So now are we to assume that every single Muslim in the world is now a potential terrorist? If we are to do just that (which Bush and his cronies are now midely suggesting through the propogandist rhetoric), then we might as well fire up the internment camps and start putting them away. Michelle Malkin would be thrilled if we did that.

In the end, this is all Republican desperation. Expect it to get worse as the November elections get closer. This administration is by far the worst, most corrupt and criminal bunch of bastards I've ever seen. They have no shame, and they will exploit the deaths of those who died on 9/11, as well as our men and women in uniform, to further their own, fascist agenda.

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Dookiestix wrote:

Bush WANTS another attack on Americans. It's the only way for him to keep us cowering in fear while pretending that he is protecting us. This has been his singular policy and agenday, because he has absolutely NO vision for anything else when dealing with America's domestic woes.

You might as well wear a shirt with the words on the back "I am a kook" instead of going to all the trouble to explain yourself. Your mindset is all too common for being as twisted as it is. I haven't figured you people out beyond just to conclude you must have some kind of a mental condition. I would feel sorry for you, except you have the ability to vote, which is sad.

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okie wrote:

Dookiestix wrote:
Bush WANTS another attack on Americans. It's the only way for him to keep us cowering in fear while pretending that he is protecting us. This has been his singular policy and agenday, because he has absolutely NO vision for anything else when dealing with America's domestic woes.

You might as well wear a shirt with the words on the back "I am a kook" instead of going to all the trouble to explain yourself. Your mindset is all too common for being as twisted as it is. I haven't figured you people out beyond just to conclude you must have some kind of a mental condition. I would feel sorry for you, except you have the ability to vote, which is sad.

Thanx for your substantive rebuttal. And BernardR accuses liberals of only name calling. Rolling Eyes

Yes, we have the ability to vote, and we have the ability to get the idiots running this country out of power. Their days are done. This is definitely not the year of the incumbent.

Enjoy the ride!

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Dookiestix, yeah 911 happened under Bushie but as he told us he never felt a sense of urgency about al qaeda or bin Laden before 911. You could hardly blame him for failure when he wasn't in the game.

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blueflame1 wrote:

Dookiestix, yeah 911 happened under Bushie but as he told us he never felt a sense of urgency about al qaeda or bin Laden before 911. You could hardly blame him for failure when he wasn't in the game.

True. Chalk it up for lack of interest. Or maybe that's lack of intelligence.

Perhaps both in the case of Bush. But then again, Cheney's been pulling the strings since day one. We've all now seen the wisdom of their ways during the years they've been in office.

No wonder Americans can't stand Republicans right now.

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okie wrote:

A big part of the problem is that few people truly understand stem cell research.

No, the problem is that quite a few people understand that Bush is inhibiting Federal funding for the most promising form of stem cell research.

okie wrote:

First of all, you need to distinguish between stem cell research, which pretty much everybody is for, vs. embryonic stem cell research, which is only one facet of the whole field.

Embryonic stem cells are by far the most promising part of the whole field. Embryonic stem cells have the ability to reproduce just about ANY form of human cell, which stem cells from already formed human organs do not have the ability to do. Bush puts no restriction against Federal funding for research on the less promising form of stem cells-those which come from already formed human organs-but puts those restrictions against the necessary replenishing of the pool of embryonic stem cells. Incidentally, the source of those stem cells are byproducts of in vitro fertilization which normally get stored for awhile, then thrown out as medical waste.

olkie wrote:

To imply that Reeve could have been cured if it weren't for people like Bush opposing embryonic stem cell research is a bit over the top

Edwards never said Reeve could have been cured except for Bush. Edwards simply said that he would go full steam ahead with all types of stem cell research so that people LIKE the recently passed Reeve can leave their wheelchairs. In this respect, Edwards said nothing that Reeve himself had not said many times.

Reeve worked hard to get ALL forms of stem cell research Federally funded and funded generously, and Edwards simply said that if he and Kerry were elected, that is precisely what they were going to do. Which is directly opposite to what Bush did, which was to put restrictions on Federal funding for the most promising form of stem cell research.

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kelticwizard wrote:

okie wrote:
A big part of the problem is that few people truly understand stem cell research.
No, the problem is that quite a few people understand that Bush is inhibiting Federal funding for the most promising form of stem cell research.

okie wrote:
First of all, you need to distinguish between stem cell research, which pretty much everybody is for, vs. embryonic stem cell research, which is only one facet of the whole field.

Embryonic stem cells are by far the most promising part of the whole field. Embryonic stem cells have the ability to reproduce just about ANY form of human cell, which stem cells from already formed human organs do not have the ability to do. Bush puts no restriction against Federal funding for research on the less promising form of stem cells-those which come from already formed human organs-but puts those restrictions against the necessary replenishing of the pool of embryonic stem cells. Incidentally, the source of those stem cells are byproducts of in vitro fertilization which normally get stored for awhile, then thrown out as medical waste.

olkie wrote:
To imply that Reeve could have been cured if it weren't for people like Bush opposing embryonic stem cell research is a bit over the top
Edwards never said Reeve could have been cured except for Bush. Edwards simply said that he would go full steam ahead with all types of stem cell research so that people LIKE the recently passed Reeve can leave their wheelchairs. In this respect, Edwards said nothing that Reeve himself had not said many times.

Reeve worked hard to get ALL forms of stem cell research Federally funded and funded generously, and Edwards simply said that if he and Kerry were elected, that is precisely what they were going to do. Which is directly opposite to what Bush did, which was to put restrictions on Federal funding for the most promising form of stem cell research.

I don't know how it can be put any plainer than that.

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Those who claim that a federal ban on stem cell funding doesn't harm research, don't understand the difference between applied research and theoretical research.

Cycloptichorn

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Here is the truth from the foremost scholar of Islam in the USA. I am sure that dookiestik does not know who he is. He is Dr. Bernard Lewis and he is the foremost scholar on Islam in the USA.

He wrote:

While we argue about the place of God in U.S. society, our enemies are not so conflicted. They believe their god wants us dead. No amount of munitions, money and Marines is going to stay these fanatics from their ordained rounds. To them, death is victory. To us, it is tragedy. They are counting on us not wanting to die. They welcome death as a promotion. They believe we will cut and run if they can spill enough of our blood. We regard our blood as precious. They see theirs as the currency of martyrdom.
August 22nd is but a fortnight away; if the Iranians do not have nuclear weapons today, they will not have them in two weeks, either. But we know they have missiles capable of reaching Israel; and after all, nukes are not the only form that weapons of mass destruction can take.

Will Iran precipitate a conflagration, the final holocaust that will bring back the Hidden Imam and usher in the Moslem Millennium? Since we do not know, we must prepare for the worst: we must be ready with policy in case Iran directly attacks Israel on that date, thus widening a local war into a regional superwar... which could become a hyperwar -- call it the Tenth Crusade -- of Christendom (joined, perhaps, by Atheistan) against the Ummah.

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I pray to God that it Nuclear holocaust does not happen but apparently Dookiestik does not know that IRAN is ruled by a politico-religious extremist group. It is clear that Dookiestik has not heard the Iranian leader's cry that ISRAEL MUST BE DESTROYED!!!

When Dookiestik can convince me that he knows more about Islam than Dr. Bernard Lewis, I will take Dookiestik's view to heart, but not before then!!

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As usual, Cyclopotichorn, Edgar Blythe and Keltic Wizard are confused.

The truth is below:

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A fourth option that I prefer is to close off all federal funding for human ES cell research. This would allow private dollars to fund human ES cell research, and federal dollars can be used to vigorously pursue the ethically preferable alternative offered by adult stem cells, which have shown great promise of late.

This would undoubtedly slow the progress on human ES cells and some researchers. Because of their dependence on federal research grants, they would not be able to pursue this line of research. But nowhere is it written that scientists have a right to pursue whatever research goals they conceive as long as they see a benefit to it. For years the U. S. Congress passed the Hyde Amendment that prohibited the use of federal funds for abortions, even though abortions were legal. The creation of human ES cells may be legal in the U. S. but that doesn't mean researchers have a right to government monies to do so.

The President did decide to allow the use of federal funds only for research involving the 60 already existing human ES cell lines. The President expressly prohibited the use of government dollars to create new ES cell lines, even from leftover embryos. Researchers and patient advocates are unhappy, because this will limit the available research if these already existing ES cell lines don't work out. Pro-life groups are unhappy, because the decision implicitly approves of the destruction of the embryos used to create these ES cell lines.

Stem Cells in the News Since the President's Decision
When the President decided to open up federal funding for research on already existing human embryonic stem cell lines, just about everybody was unhappy. Researchers and patient advocates were unhappy, because this will limit the available research if these already existing cell lines don't work out. The supply just might not meet the research demand. Pro-life groups were unhappy, including myself, because the decision implicitly approves of the destruction of the embryos used to create these ES cell lines. They will cost researchers at least $5,000 per cell line. Therefore, to purchase them for research indirectly supports their creation. Since both sides are unhappy, it was probably a good political decision even if it was not the right decision.
We certainly haven't heard the end of this debate. Members of Congress are already positioning to strengthen or weaken the ban by law. Either way, the policy of the United States has clearly stated that innocent human life can be sacrificed without its consent, if the common good is deemed significant enough to warrant its destruction. I fully believe that this is a dangerous precedent that we will come to regret, if not now, then decades into the future. The long predicted ethical slippery slope from the abortion decision continues to threaten and gobble up the weak, the voiceless, and the defenseless of our society.

What has alarmed me the most since the President's decision is the full assault in the media by scientists to gain even greater access to more human embryonic stem cells, regardless of how they are produced. The ethical question virtually dropped from the radar screen as scientists debated whether the existing cell lines would be enough.

This attitude is reflected in the increasing attention given to potential benefits, while downplaying the setbacks and problems. The scientists speaking through the media emphasize the new therapies as if they are only a few years down the road. The more likely scenario is that they are decades away. Your grandmother isn't likely to be helped by this research

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Of course, Cyclpit chorn , Keltic Wizard and Edgar Blythe will address none of the material above since it ruins their theses--

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Dookiestix wrote:

blueflame1 wrote:
Dookiestix, yeah 911 happened under Bushie but as he told us he never felt a sense of urgency about al qaeda or bin Laden before 911. You could hardly blame him for failure when he wasn't in the game.

True. Chalk it up for lack of interest. Or maybe that's lack of intelligence.

Perhaps both in the case of Bush. But then again, Cheney's been pulling the strings since day one. We've all now seen the wisdom of their ways during the years they've been in office.

No wonder Americans can't stand Republicans right now.

Dookiestix, I thought Bush wants terror to happen, according to you. Maybe you believe he helped plot it? Or perhaps it was Cheney "pulling the strings?" So which is it, Bush did nothing and don't care, or he wanted it to happen and allowed it to happen to keep us all cowering in fear to keep his power? Speaking of lack of intelligence, nothing more needs saying. I think you are amply demonstrating the situation.

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As usual, possum is full of crap.

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Whos full of crap? I simply singled out Dookiestix as not knowing what he or she is talking about. Making statements like Bush wants terror to happen and similar nonsense is just that....nonsense. Your demagoguery may work for some people, but I am simply pointing out what it is, nonsense and demagoguery. Believe in your delusions if you want, its a free country.

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Believe in your delusions if you want, its a free country.
apparently not for long.

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Don't worry, dyslexia, it will take THEEMMMMMM a long time to find you in Wolf Hole. It will probably take them a while to find Wolf Hole.

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Well, this has certainly evolved into a plethora of absolute garbage, no thanx to the wingnuttery that knee jerks its way into oblivian.

What an absolute joy to watch. You never cease to amuse, Okie.

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Dookiestix wrote:

Well, this has certainly evolved into a plethora of absolute garbage, no thanx to the wingnuttery that knee jerks its way into oblivian.

What an absolute joy to watch. You never cease to amuse, Okie.

Well, I wish I could say I was amused to read somebody opine that Bush wants more terrorist acts to happen. You are more than a wingnut, Dookiestix, you are an absolute kook. To argue otherwise is not only wrong, but bazaar indeed. As I said, I don't know where you and your ilk acquire your absolute nonsense, but it can't be from a balanced mind. I don't know whether you people actually believe your own delusions, whether you think your thinking is trendy, or enlightened, or what. It certainly is not amusing.

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Okie- Give it up! How can you argue with such brilliant minds-- When I saw the rebuttal from edgarblythe, I knew it was all over. He took my evidence and documentation and COMPLETELY REBUTTED IT WITH ONE OF THE MOST INTELIGENT ARGUMENTS I HAVE EVER SEEN__

edgarblythe wrote
As usual, possum is full of crap.

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Just think, Okie, Edgarglythe is so brilliant that he rebutted the argument I made with relation to the scholar Bernard Lewis' characterization of radical Islamists as well as the real story about stem cells in just seven words.

Have you ever seen such amazing reasoning, Okie?

PS- Okie--- It may may be that the use of "full of crap" is a violation of the TOS.

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As usual, possum is full of ****.

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I really do think that "possum" will be able to complain that Dyslexia is in violation of the TOS when Dyslexia wrote-
"As usual, possum is full of sh.t"

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