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ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

 
 
BernardR
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 03:18 pm
Go back to read Mein Kampf, Old Europe!!!
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old europe
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 03:20 pm
BernardR wrote:
Go back to read Mein Kampf, Old Europe!!!


Haven't read it... Did you like it?
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freedom4free
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 03:22 pm
BernardR wrote:
Go back to read Mein Kampf, Old Europe!!!


Godwin's Law ?
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BernardR
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 03:27 pm
If you have not read it, Old Europe, please explain why you are sympathetic to the murderous fascist Islamists who want to destroy Israel. You are not denying that the madman in Iran wants Israel to be destroyed, are you? You are not denying that the Hezbollah murderers went into Israel for years to blow themselves up on buses, in night clubs and in markets?

You smell of Anti-Semitism!!!
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 03:29 pm
Possum, it's already been clarified that you are the sympathizer of the murderous Slammite IslamoFascist Communist Liberal Party.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 04:17 pm
CNN, U.S. and France agree the main points of a resolution to end fighting between Israel and Hezbollah -- including on the sequencing of deployment of the U.N. force, diplomatic sources say.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 05:47 pm
Analysis: Olmert must swallow his pride and adopt cease-fire deal

By Uzi Benziman, Haaretz Correspondent

It is to be hoped that the United Nations Security Council will quickly pass the resolution ending the war in Lebanon in the spirit of the agreement revealed on Thursday. Ehud Olmert must be encouraged to lead the cabinet firmly to adopt it.

This war broke out in no small way because of the Israeli leadership's lack of diplomatic-military experience and failure to predict the future. Olmert will have to be magnanimous in accepting the compromise taking shape internationally, because it will be an admission of Israel's inability to achieve its declared goals.

There is reason to believe he has this quality. He is not a cynic who, for reasons of prestige or other extraneous considerations, would take tens of thousands of soldiers into battle to risk their lives.

The diplomatic solution, in spite of its limitations and the bitter pills to be swallowed, is preferable to expanding the war, since a new military move would not change the outcome of the armed conflict.

Even if the military limits considerably Hezbollah's short-range Katyusha launch capabilities, it will not erase the impression that this organization has made in its challenge to Israel.

The country's leadership must use cool reason, and not be dragged along by inflamed desires and assessments. The longed-for military victory will not vaporize Hezbollah; the cost of the attempt - estimated at hundreds of additional losses to the IDF - will erode the authority of those who decided to implement it.

The security council formula provides, albeit barely, a basis to change Israel-Lebanon relations. Israel should make do with this and set about fundamentally repairing its relations with its neighbors.

The leadership will have to pay the price of its initiation and management of this war. He who decides to fire the GOC Northern Command without taking into consideration that the fighting may be over in two days, proves that even after a month of fighting he has not learned to predict the future.
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BernardR
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 05:57 pm
How ridiculous!!! The entry of French Troops into Southern Lebanon along with the Lebanese Army will insure that no more rockets hit Israel!

In the meantime, the Lebanese are licking their wounds and wondering how many millions of dollars it will take to restore their infrastructure.

After nearly a thousand Lebanese have been killed and Beirut and Tyre practically flattened, the two faced Lebanese will learn that they must not, and can not abide murderous Islamic Radicals like Hezbollah in their midst.
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 08:11 pm
blueflame1 wrote:
This war broke out in no small way because of the Israeli leadership's lack of diplomatic-military experience and failure to predict the future.


No, the war broke out because terrorist groups like Hezbollah want to exterminate Israel. This is not rocket science, people.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 08:24 pm
okie, it sure aint rocket science. Collective punishment is a crime against humanity.
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 09:57 pm
blueflame1 wrote:
okie, it sure aint rocket science. Collective punishment is a crime against humanity.


Are you talking about the collective punishment inherent in all wars? Its part of the definition of war in case you haven't heard. Thats why collectively the Lebanese should have thrown the scumbags out on their ear. Do you let an axe murderer live in your house rent free and expect no consequences?
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BernardR
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 10:04 pm
Okie- I am sure that you have kept abreast of today's news. The left wing is on the run. The American people know that the steps taken by the Bush Administration- THE PATRIOT ACT-- THE WIRETAPS--are the steps that have kept us safe and have thwarted the radical murderous Muslims.

The left wing is so Anti-American and so Anti-Bush that they do not stop to think- WHAT WERE THOSE PEOPLE TRYING TO DO?

TO WANTONLY AND WITH MALICE AFORTHOUGHT MURDER THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE- AMERICANS, BRITONS, WOMEN AND CHILDREN, TO SHOW THAT ISLAM RULES!!!!

That is another reason why we must continue to eradicate the fringe Islamist murderers!!!!!
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 11:14 pm
BernardR wrote:


That is another reason why we must continue to eradicate the fringe Islamist murderers!!!!!


The basic reality, far as I am concerned, is that nothing good can come from ANY form of devil worship, including I-slam, J-slam, K-slam, or anything else of the sort.

Those people need to be convered to something less noxious, and that probably isn't Christianity since that would be too much of a massive step forwards and too much of a shock to their systems, no telling what might happen. I'm thinking they need to be converted to Rastafari or Voodoo or something like that. That would be a hell of an improvement.

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gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 05:05 am
Joseph Farah's take on the conflict:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51472

Israel Vs. Hezbollah: Right Vs. Wrong

How people view the conflict in Lebanon is a barometer for determining their ability to discern right from wrong.

If you hear someone fudge on this conflict, it is an indication of a moral failing, a weakness in their heart, a defect in their brain, a darkness in their very soul.

There is no better picture of evil in the world today that the terrorist organization Hezbollah. Founded by the mullahs in Iran, facilitated by two generations of dictators in Syria, it was Hezbollah that killed 241 U.S. Marines sent to Beirut to protect the Lebanese people. Collectively, its terrorist attacks - from Latin America to Asia - have probably killed more innocent people than have been murdered even by al-Qaida.

Hezbollah is bigger and better armed than al-Qaida. And it has maintained an operational alliance with Osama bin Laden's terror network for years.

Quite simply, Hezbollah seeks in the short term to kill all the Jews in the Middle East or scatter them abroad. In the long term, it seeks to impose a worldwide Shiite theocracy like the one currently enjoyed by the people of Iran.

In the other corner, we have Israel. It is hardly a flawless and perfect state. There is no such thing in the world and never has been. But it is a legitimate state founded where no other state existed by a consensus of world opinion following the murder of 6 million Jews in Germany's concentration camps. Israel served as a refuge for nearly 1 million Arab Jews persecuted throughout the Middle East - more, by the way, than even the most exaggerated claims of Arab Palestinian refugees displaced by the war of 1948.

As many other observers have pointed out, you don't need to know much about the complicated history of the Middle East to understand the difference between Israel and its enemies. If Israel's enemies - including Hezbollah - had the power to destroy Israel, it would do so in a heartbeat. Israel, however, actually possesses such awesome power and, of course, has never used it.

There is no moral murkiness here. The raw, unadulterated evil that is Hezbollah is on display for all to see. The basic decency and compassion of the Jewish state has been on display for nearly 60 years.

Yet, look around us and see how many people are still "confused." A recent Los Angeles Times poll showed most Democrats are incapable of making any distinctions between these two warring parties. Sadly, a third of Republicans are also unwilling or unable to distinguish good from evil when it comes to this conflict.

Looking outside the U.S., the picture of moral confusion is even worse. At least half the world is cheering on Hezbollah.

This has nothing to do with Israel's behavior or the behavior of the U.S. Nothing we or the Jews of Israel could do would change the opinion of those aligned with Hezbollah. Like the pharaoh in Egypt, their hearts have been hardened. It will take an act of God to get people like that to see the light - something to hope and pray for, perhaps, but not something any argument will change.

It's disturbing to me to see so many people living in moral confusion - moral darkness. It's worse to think so many Americans are falling into this abyss. It's even more shocking to see so many Israelis incapable of understanding the stakes in this conflict.

There are a lot of people getting weak in the knees right now.

It's not without precedent.

It happened before in 1939.

The dangers we face in the world today are comparable to what the world faced back then - maybe worse.

Today, the Nazis are those claiming to be the original Aryans. In fact, that's a derivation of the name of their country - Iran. They speak openly of wanting to destroy all the Jews. They are working feverishly on the development of nuclear weapons - something Hitler could only dream about.

It's not a time for going wobbly. It's not a time for moral confusion. It's not a time for myopia in distinguishing right from wrong.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 08:04 am
Bush's Fortitude on the Middle East
By Ed Koch

The war now raging in Lebanon should not surprise anyone. For many years, Hezbollah, which is funded, equipped and ideologically supported by Iran and Syria, has made it crystal clear that its goal is to conquer Israel, expel its Jewish inhabitants, and place the entire land under Islamic rule.

Hezbollah engages in terrorism -- the deliberate targeting of Jewish civilians and others -- to achieve its goals. For the past month, Hezbollah has rained down thousands of rockets on Israel, deliberately maiming and killing innocent Israeli civilians. Hezbollah uses Lebanese civilians as human shields when it places its rockets in civilian areas, and is therefore responsible for many Lebanese casualties. Nonetheless, the European Union refuses to describe Hezbollah as a terrorist organization.

The Islamic terrorism represented by Hezbollah and others will one day threaten the entire world. Islamic fanatics have already engaged in terrorist acts in the U.S., England, Spain, India, Kenya, Tanzania, Argentina, Indonesia, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Afghanistan and others. Israel should be applauded for fighting international terrorism and using its military forces in Lebanon to confront the terrorist infrastructure after Hezbollah launched a military attack across the Lebanese-Israeli border on July 12th.

Instead, Israel has been criticized by a number of countries in the European Union that seek to make it difficult for the Israeli army to degrade or eliminate Hezbollah. You can count on the French government to try to deliver Israel into the hands of its enemies. British Prime Minister Tony Blair deserves enormous credit for standing with the U.S. against those in and out of his government who have opposed his willingness to fight international terrorism and his support for the right of Israel to defend itself against Hezbollah.

I have no doubt, however, that if it were not for the support of the United States, led by President George W. Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, many European states would be even more active in trying to snatch victory from the hands of the Israeli Defense Forces.

The position of the United States has been clear from the start of hostilities: a sustainable ceasefire. An August 7th New York Times editorial stated what The Times believes is required: "For Israel, [the U.N. Resolution] must include some assurance that Hezbollah will no longer be able to cross into Israeli territory and kidnap Israeli soldiers or launch its rockets against Israeli towns and cities."

For Lebanon, all agree that a "sustainable ceasefire" means a return of control of the entire country to the elected Lebanese government. The Lebanese army is not strong enough to exercise such control and disarm Hezbollah. It will need the military forces of NATO or other friendly countries to assist it.

It was disingenuous for Russian President Vladimir Putin, the butcher of Grozny and the Chechen Republic, and others to talk of a "disproportionate response" on the part of Israel. Even with the onslaught of Israeli troops sent into southern Lebanon, Israel's response to date has been clearly inadequate to the danger it faces. Although it is making progress, it has been unable to destroy all of Hezbollah's bases and rockets so as to remove them as future threats.

Israel's decision not to use major combat infantry in addition to its air force early on was, in hindsight, a serious error, even if its intent was to minimize casualties to both Israeli military forces and Lebanese civilians. It appears that Hezbollah will emerge from this exchange of hostilities degraded militarily in its ability to wage terrorist attacks against Israel, but not destroyed. Politically, it will be strengthened, simply by having withstood Israeli efforts to totally obliterate it. Arab leadership will seek to convince the "Arab street" that Israel's army was defeated by Hezbollah. Rational people, however, will look at the damage inflicted by Israel in southern Lebanon and Beirut and know that Lebanon paid a heavy price for Hezbollah's military misadventure.

In an effort to limit Israel's victory, the Arab League is seeking to have the proposed Security Council resolution order Israel to vacate southern Lebanon before Hezbollah is disarmed and the Lebanese army and a multinational force is placed there as required by U.N. Resolution 1559. Israel cannot protect its population from a renewal of Hezbollah's rocket attacks on Israeli cities and towns if it were to quit Lebanon before both Lebanon's army and a U.N.-mandated military force are in place to keep the peace and disarm Hezbollah.

According to The New York Times, President Bush made the U.S. position clear, "Speaking to reporters from his ranch in Crawford, Tex., President Bush called for the resolution's speedy adoption, but made clear that the main sticking point -- Lebanese insistence that the draft be altered to require Israel to withdraw troops immediately -- was nonnegotiable."

In my judgment, when history evaluates George W. Bush's position in the pantheon of presidents, he will be compared with Harry S. Truman. Bush's fortitude in recognizing the danger of Islamic fundamentalism to the U.S. and, indeed, the Western world, and his awareness of the need to win this war of civilizations is remarkable. He deserves the applause of all Americans and in time he will receive it.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 09:06 am
Cracks appearing in Israeli support for war
Intellectuals, politicians critical of government decision to send more troops http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14290933/ (Time Out)
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old europe
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 09:27 am
Approval rates for Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Defense Minister Amir Perez have drastically gone down, according to a poll by Israeli newspaper Haaretz.

Whereas approval for Olmert's course during the first days of war were above 75%, it has gone down to 48% now. Approval ratings for Perez have gone down from 65% to 37% percent.

Which prompts Haaretz to demand:

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Olmert cannot remain in the prime minister's office

Ehud Olmert may decide to accept the French proposal for a cease-fire and unconditional surrender to Hezbollah. That is his privilege. Olmert is a prime minister whom journalists invented, journalists protected, and whose rule journalists preserved. Now the journalists are saying run away. That's legitimate. Unwise, but legitimate.

However, one thing should be clear: If Olmert runs away now from the war he initiated, he will not be able to remain prime minister for even one more day. Chutzpah has its limits. You cannot lead an entire nation to war promising victory, produce humiliating defeat and remain in power. You cannot bury 120 Israelis in cemeteries, keep a million Israelis in shelters for a month, wear down deterrent power, bring the next war very close, and then say - oops, I made a mistake. That was not the intention. Pass me a cigar, please.

There is no mistake Ehud Olmert did not make this past month. He went to war hastily, without properly gauging the outcome. He blindly followed the military without asking the necessary questions. He mistakenly gambled on air operations, was strangely late with the ground operation, and failed to implement the army's original plan, much more daring and sophisticated than that which was implemented. And after arrogantly and hastily bursting into war, Olmert managed it hesitantly, unfocused and limp. He neglected the home front and abandoned the residents of the north. He also failed shamefully on the diplomatic front.

Still, if Olmert had come to his senses as Golda Meir did during the Yom Kippur War, if he had become a leader, established a war cabinet and called the nation to a supreme effort that would change the face of the battle, a penetrating discussion of his failures could be postponed. But in blinking first over the past 24 hours, he has become an incorrigible political personality. Therefore, the day Nasrallah comes out of his bunker and declares victory to the whole world, Olmert must not be in the prime minister's office. Post-war battered and bleeding Israel needs a new start and a new leader. It needs a real prime minister.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 09:38 am
For a lasting Middle East peace, look back to 1967 UN plan
By Helena Cobban
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0810/p09s02-coop.html
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okie
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 09:39 am
How about this for a lasting peace plan.... Defeat the Enemy.
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old europe
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 09:42 am
okie wrote:
How about this for a lasting peace plan.... Defeat the Enemy.


Uhm.... how??
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