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ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

 
 
BernardR
 
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Reply Sun 6 Aug, 2006 11:59 pm
Old Europe--Please wake up!!


Was Old Europe ASLEEP when the fanatic and murderous Islamo-fascist fanatics were sending human bombs into Israel to blow themselves up on buses, in night clubs and in market places? Was Old Europe unconscious when Saddam Hussein was sending AWARDS of $20,000 and $25,000 dollars to the family of MARTYRS who immolated themselves in Israel?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2006 05:19 am
From today's Chicago Tribune (pages 2 & 7/online version)

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Soldier's kin seek help while waiting

Time stopped for us," says Karnit Goldwasser, whose soldier-husband, Ehud, was abducted by Hezbollah on Israel's northern border last month. Goldwasser joined her father-in-law in an appeal for help Sunday from the Chicago Jewish community.

[...]

Some argue that offering a ransom only encourages kidnappers. In this instance, Sarna said, instead of a ransom, the Israeli government responded with force.

Karnit Goldwasser does not want the fighting to continue. But she also wants to see her husband again.

Though she does not consider her own future a concern, Jewish law dictates that she must put her life on hold until he returns. They will celebrate their first anniversary in October.

The value of pidyon shvuyim gives her hope that her nation will do what it takes to get him back.

Before traveling to the U.S., she and her father-inlaw met with Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. There on his desk were pictures of Ehud Goldwasser and the other soldiers.

"He told us he's dealing with the situation like they are his sons," she said. "For me, it means he will do anything to bring them back. . . . We have the power to change his destiny."
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old europe
 
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2006 05:29 am
BernardR wrote:
In my Opinion, Israel should go full tilt to destroy as much of Lebanon as possible.


At least we know where you're coming from. Thanks for clarifying.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2006 05:32 am
On the same page as above:
Middle East conflict spurs drives for aid
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Jewish and Lebanese communities in the Chicago area are doing more than getting emotional about the escalating war in the Middle East: They're digging into their pockets.

The Jewish United Fund of Chicago said it has raised more than $22 million in donations and pledges since Thursday. The money will be spent on shuttling children in northern Israel to summer camps in the south and modernizing decaying bomb shelters, among other things.

During the last few weeks, local Lebanese community leaders said they have collected more than $30,000 for medicine, food and shelter for hundreds of thousands of displaced people.

"We cannot leave our people, no matter how far we are," said Rev. Alfred Badawi, pastor of Our Lady of Lebanon, a Maronite Catholic in Lombard.

Supporters of Israel have unveiled a plan to collect $300 million in the United States and Canada.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2006 06:04 am
From a comment in today's Chicago Tribune (page 11, When it comes to facts in the Middle East, there is no middle ground

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Readers often are upset at the messenger and say they want a "balanced" report. But, in truth, is it really balance that they seek?

A science report in The Washington Post two weeks ago noted that partisans in a conflict "don't just arrive at different conclusions; they see entirely different worlds."

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Researchers took television news clips from the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon and showed them to 144 people, split between pro-Arab and pro-Israel supporters.

The pro-Arab viewers heard 42 references they thought were favorable to Israel and 26 that were unfavorable. The pro-Israel viewers, looking at the same video, noted only 16 references favorable to Israel and 57 that they saw as negative.

Post reporter Shankar Vedantam wrote that researchers have called the phenomenon "hostile media effect" to describe how partisans perceive media reports as biased against their side. The more knowledgable about the subject, the more they see bias.

Trying to achieve balance, of course, is not a simple 50-50 equation. And it is a cop-out to worry about criticism and attempt to present everything as equal or "morally equivalent."

How do you measure suffering? Should it be by the numbers of civilians killed or wounded? Should warring parties be viewed as winning or losing by the numbers of rockets launched or bombs dropped?

There are many facts in the Middle East. But the hatred and suspicion is so ingrained that any report is viewed through a prism of: "Does it provide any comfort to my enemy?" And if the answer is yes, then the report and the facts it uses must be wrong.
In the last week, some commentators have suggested that the Qana bombing was staged, something that neither the Israeli government nor any other reputable witness has claimed.

Human Rights Watch, an organization that has criticized both Israel and Hezbollah for indiscriminate targeting of civilian areas, did its own report on the Qana bombing and suggested the number of dead is less than first reported. No one has, or I suspect ever will, come up with a definitive number. The incident will join thousands of others in the mythology of both sides.

(emphasis added)
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2006 06:44 am
Advocates of 'proportion' are just unbalanced

"Disproportion" is the concept of the moment. Do you know how to play? Let's say 150 missiles are lobbed at northern Israel from the Lebanese village of Qana and the Israelis respond with missiles of their own that kill 28 people. Whoa, man, that's way "disproportionate."

But let's say you're a northwestern American municipality -- Seattle, for example -- and you haven't lobbed missiles at anybody, but a Muslim male shows up anyway and shoots six Jewish women, one of whom tries to flee up the stairs, but he spots her, leans over the railing, fires again and kills her. He describes himself as "an American Muslim angry at Israel" and tells 911 dispatchers: ''These are Jews. I want these Jews to get out. I'm tired of getting pushed around, and our people getting pushed around by the situation in the Middle East.''

Well, that's apparently entirely "proportionate," so "proportionate" that the event is barely reported in the American media, or (if it is) it's portrayed as some kind of random convenience-store drive-by shooting. Pamela Waechter's killer informed his victims that "I'm only doing this for a statement," but the world couldn't be less interested in his statement, not compared to his lawyer's statement that he's suffering from "bipolar disorder.'' And the local FBI guy, like the Mounties in Toronto a month or so back, took the usual no-jihad-to-see-here line. ''There's nothing to indicate it's terrorism related,'' said Special Assistant Agent-In-Charge David Gomez. In America, terrorism is like dentistry and hairdressing: It doesn't count unless you're officially credentialed.

On the other hand, when a drunk movie star gets pulled over and starts unburdening himself of various theories about "f---ing Jews," hold the front page! That is so totally "disproportionate" it's the biggest story of the moment. The head of America's most prominent Jewish organization will talk about nothing else for days on end, he and the media too tied up dealing with Mel Gibson's ruminations on "f---ing Jews" to bother with footling peripheral stories about actual f---ing Jews murdered for no other reason than because they're f---ing Jews.

On the other other hand, when the leader of Hezbollah, Hassan Nasrallah, announces that if Jews "all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide,'' that's not in the least "disproportionate.'' When President Ahmadinejad of Iran visits Malaysia and declares, apropos Lebanon, that "although the main solution is for the elimination of the Zionist regime, at this stage an immediate cease-fire must be implemented," well, that's just a bit of mildly overheated rhetoric prefacing what's otherwise a very helpful outline of a viable peace process: (Stage One) Please don't keep degrading our infrastructure until (Stage Two) we've got the capacity to nuke you.

Right now, Israel's best chance of any decent press would seem to be if Mel Gibson flies in and bawls out his waiter as a "f---ing Jew.''

What can we deduce from these various acts, proportionate and not so? If you talk to European officials, they'll tell you privately that that Seattle shooting is the way of the future -- that every now and then in Seattle or Sydney, Madrid or Manchester, someone will die because they went to a community center, got on the bus, showed up for work . . and a jihadist was there. But they're confident that they can hold it to what the British security services cynically called, at the height of the Northern Ireland ''Troubles,'' ''an acceptable level of violence'' -- i.e., it will all be kept ''proportionate.'' Tough for Pam Waechter's friends and family, but there won't be too many of them.

I wonder if they're right to be that complacent. The duke of Wellington, the great British soldier-politician, was born in Ireland, but, upon being described as an Irishman, remarked that a man could be born in a stable but it didn't make him a horse. That's the way many Muslims feel: Just because you're born in the filthy pigsty of the Western world doesn't make you a pig. What proportion of Muslims is hot for jihad? Well, it would be grossly insensitive and disproportionate to inquire. So instead we'll put it down to isolated phenomena like the supposed "bipolar disorder" of Pam Waechter's killer.

In the struggle between America and global Islam, it's the geopolitical bipolar disorder that matters. Clearly, from his own statements about "our people," for Pam Waechter's killer his Muslim identity ultimately transcended his American one. That's what connects him to what's happening in southern Lebanon: a pan-Islamist identity that overrides national citizenship whether in the Pacific Northwest or the Levant. Not for all Muslims, but for enough that things will get mighty "disproportionate" before they're through.

Twenty-eight dead civilians in a village from which 150 Katyusha rockets have been launched against Israel doesn't seem "disproportionate" to me. What's "disproportionate" is the idea that civilian life should be allowed to proceed normally in what is, in fact, a terrorist launching platform.

But, when an army goes to war against a terrorist organization, it's like watching the Red Sox play Andre Agassi: Each side is being held to its own set of rules. When Hezbollah launches rockets into Israeli residential neighborhoods with the intention of killing random civilians, that's fine because, after all, they're terrorists and that's what terrorists do. But when, in the course of trying to resist the terrorists, Israel unintentionally kills civilians, that's an appalling act of savagery. Speaking at West Point in 2002, President Bush observed: "Deterrence -- the promise of massive retaliation against nations -- means nothing against shadowy terrorist networks with no nation or citizens to defend." Actually, it's worse than that. In Hezbollahstan, the deaths of its citizens works to its strategic advantage: Dead Israelis are good news but dead Lebanese are even better, at least on the important battlefield of world opinion. The meta-narrative, as they say, is consistent through the media's Hez-one-they-made-earlier coverage, and the recent Supreme Court judgment, and EU-U.N. efforts to play "honest broker" between a sovereign state and a genocidal global terror conglomerate: All these things enhance the status of Islamist terror and thus will lead to more of it, and ever more "disproportionately."
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revel
 
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2006 06:50 am
15 killed in new Israeli attacks

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At least 15 Lebanese civilians were killed by air strikes as Israeli launched new attacks on the south of the country today.
The bombing came after a UN ceasefire initiative ran into trouble after it was rejected by key Arab states last night.

Condoleezza Rice, the US secretary of state, warned that she expected fighting to continue once the text was formally adopted either today or tomorrow.

Today's Israeli strikes hit Hizbullah-controlled southern suburbs of Beirut and southern and eastern regions of Lebanon.

Reuters reported that Israeli aircraft had attacked the last remaining crossing on the Litani river between Sidon and Tyre, cutting the main artery for aid supplies to civilians in the south.

Seven Lebanese died when an Israeli missile hit a house in Qassmieh on the coast north of the port city of Tyre during bombardment of the area, civil defence official Youssef Khairallah said.

There were also attacks on Naqoura, on the border, and Ras al-Biyada, around half way between Naqoura and Tyre.

Security officials said a woman and her daughter were killed in an attack near a Lebanese army checkpoint between the villages of Harouf and Dweir. Four people died in a raid on that destroyed a house in Kfar Tebnit. There was renewed heavy fighting in southern Lebanon as Hizbullah guerrillas tried to stop thousands of Israeli troops from advancing deeper into the country.

The Israeli army said one Israeli solider had been killed in fighting in Bint Jbail today, and four suffered slight injuries. Israeli forces claimed to have killed five Hizbullah gunmen.

At least four explosions were heard around the Bekaa Valley city of Baalbek, 63 miles north of Israel's border, witnesses said.

The Israeli military confirmed it had hit several targets in the area, where Israeli forces last week raided a hospital and claimed to have captured five Hizbullah fighters. There were no immediate reports of casualties.

Hizbullah rockets yesterday killed 15 people in northern Israel, including 12 reserve soldiers - the deadliest day of rocket attacks since the violence began on July 12.

At least 19 Lebanese civilians died in Israeli air attacks yesterday, and the Lebanese government today said 925 people had so far been killed in the conflict.

Another 75 are missing, presumed dead. More than 80 Israelis, most of them soldiers, have been killed.

Fouad Siniora, the Lebanese prime minister, has expressed concerns that his government may collapse.

The Israeli prime minister, Ehud Olmert, has met defence officials to discuss the possibility of expanding the offensive, though no decision was made, the Associated Press reported Israeli officials as saying.

The Tel Aviv-based Ha'aretz newspaper today quoted an unnamed Israeli general as saying that Israel could launch further attacks on Lebanese infrastructure and symbols of government in response to the rocket attacks.

Meanwhile, it was reported that Arab leaders were considering holding an emergency summit on Lebanon in Saudi Arabia later this week.

The Saudi foreign minister, Saud al-Faisal, was expected to call for the summit during an emergency meeting of Arab foreign ministers in Beirut today, Saudi sources said.

The Lebanese As-Safir newspaper reported that attempts were under way among Arab states to hold a summit in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, later this week.
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SierraSong
 
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2006 07:19 am
Al-Guardian isn't ashamed of their bias, are they? Notice that those killed in Lebanon always seem to be 'civilians', while those who die in Israel are merely 'people'.

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Hizbullah rockets yesterday killed 15 people in northern Israel, including 12 reserve soldiers - the deadliest day of rocket attacks since the violence began on July 12.

At least 19 Lebanese civilians died in Israeli air attacks yesterday, and the Lebanese government today said 925 people had so far been killed in the conflict.


They're probably advertising this minute for a photographer with advanced Photoshop experience Smile
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revel
 
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2006 07:23 am
40 killed in strike on Lebanese village

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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2006 07:36 am
Hezbollah launches rocket barrage

At least 15 people have been killed in a barrage of Hezbollah rocket strikes on northern Israel.

Twelve reservist soldiers died in an attack on the town of Kfar Giladi.

A number of rockets later landed on the Israeli port of Haifa, killing three people and injuring dozens. Reports said at least one building collapsed.

Meanwhile, the UN is debating a draft resolution on the crisis, demanding Hezbollah halt all attacks and Israel stop all offensive military operations.

However, Lebanon has formally asked the UN Security Council to revise its proposed resolution and diplomats in New York say a vote might not now come until Tuesday.

Israel has continued raids in Lebanon, killing at least 14 people.

Rockets rain down

The death toll in Kfar Giladi is the highest suffered by the Israelis in a single attack since the conflict began almost a month ago, after Hezbollah militants captured two Israeli soldiers.

Eyewitnesses said the Hezbollah rocket barrage on northern Israel had lasted more than 15 minutes.

Shortly after dark, several rockets landed in residential areas of Haifa, Israel's third largest city, killing at least three and injuring dozens.

One rocket hit an apartment block which partly collapsed, trapping residents inside. Rescue teams were shifting rubble by hand to free them.

The BBC's Humphrey Hawksley in Haifa says the renewed rocket assault followed a lull and may have taken some residents by surprise.

He describes people in the street throwing themselves to the ground as the rockets hit - following government advice on the best way to avoid the hail of ball-bearings packed into the warheads.

Residents survey the damage of successive Israeli strikes on the Lebanese village of Ansar
Israel continued pounding targets around Lebanon on Sunday

Israeli army spokesman Jacob Dallal told Associated Press news agency that Israeli jets had attacked a site in Qana in southern Lebanon and destroyed the rocket launchers that were used in the attack on Haifa.

Other rocket launchers were destroyed in an attack north of Tyre, he said.

Hezbollah has fired more than 3,000 rockets into northern Israel since the conflict began.

Israel is continuing other operations in Lebanon with dozens of air strikes in the south and reports of fierce clashes on the ground.

Five Lebanese civilians died early on Sunday in an air raid on the southern village of Ansar, according to Lebanese sources. Reports say three others were killed in an attack on the coastal town of Naquora.

Israeli jets also carried out fresh bombing raids on Beirut's southern suburbs, in and around the port city of Tyre, and on the eastern Bekaa Valley.

Amendment

The UN draft resolution, agreed after much debate between France and the US, calls for a "full cessation of hostilities".

But Syria called the resolution text a "recipe for the continuation of the war" and the Lebanese representative at the UN, Nouhad Mahmoud, said he had submitted an amendment calling for Israeli forces to withdraw from Lebanese territory.

A 90-minute meeting of the five permanent Security Council members on Sunday failed to reach agreement on the amendment, diplomats said.

"I think that means a vote on Tuesday is the more likely scenario," one diplomat from a permanent member country told Reuters news agency.

Russian ambassador Vitaly Churkin added: "Unfortunately I don't think that there is a magic wand."

Senior Israeli officials had said they were broadly happy with the text of the resolution.

An Israeli spokesman told the BBC his government could be prepared to pull all its forces out of Lebanon once the resolution was passed and when Israel had cleared what he called "the last remaining Hezbollah strongholds".

He said Israel would then monitor the south of Lebanon from behind its own border and reserve the right to use air strikes and occasional ground incursions.

The spokesman said that once a UN force had arrived Israel would in effect hand over the policing of southern Lebanon to the UN and Lebanese government.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2006 07:38 am
SierraSong wrote:
Al-Guardian isn't ashamed of their bias, are they? Notice that those killed in Lebanon always seem to be 'civilians', while those who die in Israel are merely 'people'.

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Hizbullah rockets yesterday killed 15 people in northern Israel, including 12 reserve soldiers - the deadliest day of rocket attacks since the violence began on July 12.

At least 19 Lebanese civilians died in Israeli air attacks yesterday, and the Lebanese government today said 925 people had so far been killed in the conflict.


Yes in Lebanon the Guardian "always" refers to civilians except further in the same sentence where they refer to "people", whereas in Israel they refer merely to people except when they are reserve soldiers. Are you suffering a hang over this morning SS?
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SierraSong
 
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2006 07:45 am
They were quoting the Lebanese government saying 'people'.

Now, I'm off to look for how many times the hizzies have issued warnings to the civilians of Israel before launching their rocket attacks.

Oh, wait....
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revel
 
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2006 08:31 am
Rolling Eyes
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freedom4free
 
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2006 09:07 am
Rolling Eyes
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2006 09:23 am
Everybody, even those with an obvious eye disorder, should read this one. Vin is neither Democrat nor Republican, neither pro-Israel nor anti-Israel. He is strongly in the camp of the more sensible Libertarians.

And in this short essay, I think he is right. At least read and think about what he is saying before you damn it as having no merit.

VIN SUPRYNOWICZ
Just once, let them fight till someone loses
August 6, 2006

War is horrible. It kills and maims and orphans the innocent along with the combatants, who themselves are not always there willingly. It is to be avoided whenever possible.

(For instance, Lincoln had no right to invade the South, which in no way threatened the North -- especially given that he'd promised the Southerners they could keep their slaves if they stayed in the union, proving that emancipation was not one of his casi belli. Also, this nation had no right to invade Iraq, which had done us no harm.)

But there are two major exceptions.

Rather than live as slaves, rather than watch our loved ones picked off one at a time while we stand by and do nothing, it is better to risk our lives -- and to kill as many of the enemy as humanly possible, by whatever means -- until such danger is decisively eliminated. It is better to respond to aggression by going to war. Not "going to social work." War, as in, "If everything around you is exploding, that's probably us."

But when?

When did World War II begin?

Most would point to the German invasion of Poland in the fall of 1939. But is that to say the fascist conquest of North Africa -- where the Italians invented the modern "concentration camp" -- and the brutal conquest of Manchuria and Korea and parts of mainland China by the Japanese, both dating back into the early 1930s, were "A-OK"? What about the German annexation of Austria and proudly independent Czechoslovakia?

It's typical for those who crave peace to try compromise and appeasement. These rarely work, merely emboldening the aggressor. What works are tanks and really big artillery pieces and stubble-faced G.I.s doing the thankless job of winning the war 50 yards at a time. But America didn't do that in 1936, or even in 1939.

America, craving peace, waited till our fleet lay in smoking ruins at Pearl Harbor. Not that the rape of China had gone unnoticed. The Roosevelt administration embargoed oil shipments to Japan. The Japanese didn't want to conquer America; they wanted to seize the oil-rich islands of the South Pacific. But they knew Roosevelt would come to the aid of the Dutch and British there if they tried.

So, declaring the oil embargo an act of war (as though we had some obligation to sell our oil to anyone), figuring they had to "use their fleet or lose it," they struck first, at a time and place unexpected.

When did the current war in Lebanon begin? When Israel attacked? But Israel was responding to the murder and kidnapping of its own soldiers in its own territory, as well as to the endless and intentional Hezbollah missile barrage against its civilian populace. Did it begin when Hezbollah snuck across the border, killing three Israeli soldiers and kidnapping two more, three weeks ago?

But that would be to say that the failure of the Lebanese government to disarm Hezbollah and stop these wild-eyed fanatics from committing such acts of war -- demanded under Security Council Resolution 1559, and part of the deal under which Israel withdrew completely from southern Lebanon years ago -- was "A-OK."

Imagine now that America, finally stirred from her lethargy, had fought through that miserable year of 1942, American boys desperately throwing away their lives at places like Wake and Midway as they took on a superior foe while equipped only with inadequate pre-war weapons and supplies.

Now, in 1943, the tables are finally starting to turn. We have finally driven the Japanese from Guadalcanal. Our factories having run at full pace for a year, we now have enough materiel to start slogging our way up the island chains toward Japan ... when some vastly superior coalition of nations steps in and says, "Your response has been disproportionate. They only sank a handful of your ships and killed a few hundred sailors at Pearl Harbor. Look at the pictures of the suffering your bombs and torpedoes are causing. This is barbaric."

Imagine that a three-year cease-fire had been imposed, during which Imperial Japan had time to rest, refit and re-arm. Then, in 1946, when Japan was ready, they attacked us again, unexpectedly, sinking more of our ships in Australia and in San Diego. Back to war we go.

But no, on the evening of our planned 1948 landings at Okinawa, again we're told "Time out. This is awfully disproportionate. Your B-29 bombings of the civilian populace in Japan are probably war crimes; you'll have to stand trial at The Hague. Have you seen the photos of the burned and bleeding children? The whole world condemns your barbarism. We need a three-year timeout." And so on, over, and over, and over.

If war is evil, how much more evil is it to impose on anyone an endless stop-and-start war, which the righteous and aggrieved victim is never allowed to pursue to a victorious end -- the aggressor always allowed to rest and refit and then to come again at a time of his choosing, pecking relentlessly at the victim's liver?

Some will say Israel has committed aggression simply by existing. But to say that is to violate the U.N. charter, which guarantees the right of all member states to exist.

"But the Palestinians have no state!" the war-lovers cry.

Sure they do. It's called Jordan. In fact, the Palestinian Arabs got by far the larger part of the old British protectorate of Palestine -- and no one attacked them for daring to set up an essentially one-religion nation where Jews find scant welcome. The masses now huddled around the borders of Israel were kicked out by King Hussein in 1972 after they tried to overthrow him. How is that Israel's fault?

The defeatists cry that "Nothing can be accomplished by violence; war only breeds more terrorists who will fight forever."

Really? Sixty years later, is America still under attack by the aggrieved suicide-belted grandchildren of the Germans and Japanese whose cities we flattened and burned to rubble in '44 and '45?

No. Because wars usually do resolve these issues -- if one side is allowed to fight to a decisive victory. It's just that the pink petticoat gang shriek hysterically and threaten to faint dead away when confronted with the reality of how real wars really end.

Someone raises a white flag, and promises to fight no more if only you'll give the survivors some food and water and stop burning them out of their holes. Many of the conquered women marry the conqueror's soldiers and move home with them, giving up their native dress and learning to drive Buicks.

In Lebanon, Hezbollah is nowhere near ready to surrender. To end a war which has now been dragging on for 58 years, somebody's ass has got to, finally, be whupped.

Who is that more likely to be? Do you hear anyone calling on the Hezbollah guerrillas to show more "restraint" as they overrun large portions of Israel?

Not now, you say? When better? After Iran has started supplying Hezbollah with nukes?

Today, Hezbollah and Hamas have a problem. All their planning was based on the fact that the world and the United States have never allowed Israel to really win a war -- they always call a cease-fire after a maximum of 20 days.

Can anyone see the terrorists looking around now, wondering when they get their next three years off for rest, refit and resupply? "Hey, it's been the full three weeks. Guys? Anyone? Hello?"

We started out saying war is horrible and is to be avoided whenever possible. But there is a corollary doctrine. If you want a generation of peace, those who launch wars have to be shown this, good and hard.


Vin Suprynowicz is assistant editorial page editor of the Review-Journal and author of the new novel "The Black Arrow," which has made the short list of nominees for the 2006 Prometheus Award. See www.LibertyBookShop.us.
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2006 09:47 am
It is so obviously true that peace comes only after victory by one side and complete surrender by the other. Many analogies could be used to illustrate this over and above what history has shown us. To choose one, if your body is ravaged with cancer, it must be cured, defeated, and destroyed.

The Arab countries surrounding Israel have been trying to defeat Israel for decades. When it could not be done as countries or nation-states, they are now attempting the job with their proxies, terrorist organizations. I am only reminding people of the obvious, but terrorists operate as embedded groups within countries. Countries like Iran, Syria, and Lebanon, prominent examples of late, either turn a blind eye or support the groups in many ways, including weapons and money. Rather than attacking military targets, which they know they cannot defeat, they instead target innocent civilians, including women and children. The hypocrits they are, when the enemy strikes back at them and happens to kill innocent, so called innocent, civilians, they go to the media and fight their war there, accusing Israelis of being heartless and cruel.

To sum it up, these people are evil, and full of hate, and they must be defeated totally before any lasting peace will occur. I hate to say it, but a sledgehammer instead of a fly swatter may need to be employed. The Israelis also must make it clear that when a country contributes to a group, such as Hezbollah, and Hezbollah declares war, Israel should have every right to consider those countries supporting Hezbollah as being one and the same. In other words, Iran can lie about their involvement, as can Syria, that is their standared operating procedure by the way - lying, but they can and should be considered part of the war.
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revel
 
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2006 10:14 am
Lebanese PM now says 1 killed in strike

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BEIRUT, Lebanon - Lebanon's prime minister said Monday that one person had been killed in an Israeli air raid on the southern village of Houla, lowering the death toll from 40. Meanwhile, in northern Israel, scores of Hezbollah rockets wounded five people, rescue workers said.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2006 10:38 am
More Reuters/Hezbollah photo maniputation. Now these are the ones that sharp-eyed bloggers have caught. You'll note that no supposedly 'expert' media types caught them, and one wonders how many other photos are out there that were sort of rigged for your perusal and enjoyment? And would Reuters itself ever owned up to the manipulations if bloggers hadn't gone public with them?

Reuters admits to more image manipulation

News organization withdraws photograph of Israeli fighter jet, admits image was doctored, fires photographer. Reuters pledges 'tighter editing procedure for images of the Middle East conflict'
Yaakov Lappin

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Reuters has withdrawn a second photograph and admitted that the image was doctored, following the emergence of new suspicions against images provided by the news organization. On Sunday, Reuters admitted that one of its photographers, Adnan Hajj, used software to distort an image of smoke billowing from buildings in Beirut in order to create the effect of more smoke and damage.

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The latest image to face doubts is a photograph of an Israeli F-16 fighter jet over the skies of Lebanon, seen in the image firing off "missiles during an air strike on Nabatiyeh," according to the image's accompanying text provided by Reuters.

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Reuters has recalled all photos by Adnan Hajj

Rusty Shackleford, owner of the My Pet Jawa web log , noted that the warplane in the picture is actually firing defensive flares aimed at dealing with anti-aircraft missiles.


Caught Red Handed

Reuters admits altering Beirut photo / Yaakov Lappin

Reuters withdraws photograph of Beirut after Air Force attack after US blogs, photographers point out 'blatant evidence of manipulation.'
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In addition, Shackelford says the flares have been replicated by Reuters, giving the impression that the jet was firing many "missiles," thereby distortion the image.

"The F-16 in the photo is not firing missiles, but is rather dropping chaffe or flares designed to be a decoy for surface to air missiles. However, a close up (of) what Hajj calls "missiles" reveals that only one flare has been dropped. The other two "flares" are simply copies of the original," Shackleford wrote. "But what about the 'bombs' in the photo? Here is a close up of them. Notice anything? That's right. The top and bottom "bomb" are the same."

Another manipuated Reuters image


Following the accusations, Reuters conceded that a second image it provided had been manipulated, and released a statement saying it had recalled all photos by Hajj. "Reuters has withdrawn from its database all photographs taken by Beirut-based freelance Adnan Hajj after establishing that he had altered two images since the start of the conflict between Israel and the Lebanese Hizbullah group," the statement said.


The news outlet said that it discovered "in the last 24 hours that he (Hajj) altered two photographs since the beginning of the conflict between Israel and the Lebanese group Hizbullah," Reuters added.

"There is no graver breach of Reuters standards for our photographers than the deliberate manipulation of an image", Reuters' statement quoted Tom Szlukovenyi, Reuters Global Picture Editor, as saying.

'Tighter editing needed'

Reuters also said it would apply "tighter editing procedure for images of the Middle East conflict to ensure that no photograph from the region would be transmitted to subscribers without review by the most senior editor on the Reuters Global Pictures Desk."

"Reuters terminated its relationship with Hajj on Sunday... An immediate enquiry began into Hajj's other work," the statement said.

Hajj had provided Reuters with several images from the Lebanese village Qana, many of which have also been suspected of being staged . SEE THAT ACCOUNT HERE

Other Reuters images have been called into question by blogs in the United States.

A reader of the Power Line blog , Robert Opalecky, wrote: "I don't know if this has been brought to anyone's attention yet, but in a quick search of the authenticated Reuters photographs attributed to Adnan Hajj, I found the following two."

The first Reuters image of July 24

http://www.ynetnews.com/PicServer2/20122005/857875/r335112767_wa.jpg


"One is from July 24 of a bombed out area in Beirut, with a clearly identifiable building in a prominent part of the shot. The second is of the exact same area, same buildings, same condition, with a woman walking past "a building flattened during an overnight Israeli air raid on Beirut's suburbs August 5, 2006," he wrote.

Reuters' second 'Beirut attack' photo, dated August 5

http://www.ynetnews.com/PicServer2/20122005/857802/LBN02_wa.jpg

A film released on the YouTube video sharing website compares the two images, and appears to show striking similarities between the photograph used by Reuters on both July 24 and August 5.
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2006 10:41 am
Foxfyre wrote:
More Reuters/Hezbollah photo maniputation. .....


Foxfyre, I started a new thread on this, because I think this is just the tip of the iceberg. So if you wish to also post your information there, I would really appreciate it.
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2006 10:48 am
Foxfrye, I agree with you, it is very clear that the photographer in Reuters was practicing deception and clearly anything he has published is not to be trusted. In fact I have just quit going to Rueters for the time being with anything related to Lebanon. It is to Reuters credit though that they have admitted this and has recalled all his photographs and fired him.

However, that is still only one photographer from one news agency. Reuters has not been the only source for the images of Lebanon or news of Lebanon. Not long ago there was that NYT journalist who made up stories. He was caught and fired. Are we not trust any journalist anywhere because some manipulate news and images? After all, who knows what else has been practiced and not just caught?
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