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ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

 
 
Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 3 Mar, 2011 09:08 am
JTT and Infra must love Hamas. The latter is brainwashing its kids so that they will grow up to be implacable anti-Semites.


Hamas Bans Holocaust Studies in UNRWA Human Rights Curriculum

by Chana Ya'ar



The de facto Hamas government in Gaza has banned Holocaust studies in the human rights curriculum of the region's schools.

Hamas said it would do everything in its power to prevent children from being taught about the Holocaust in schools run by the United Nations Relief and Works Agency, according to the Ma'an news agency.

“We will never allow teaching Holocaust to Gaza refugee camp children,” said Gaza Education Minister Mohammed Ashqol. “Messing up Gaza's education system is a red line which cannot be ignored.”

Hamas Culture Ministry officials added that the lessons were an “overt intervention in Palestinian affairs” and warned the “suspicious plot” should be countered, Ma'an reported. Ministry officials said teachers who cooperated with the agency curriculum were guilty of “complicity in a crime against culture.”

The unit, which is not new, has been part of the agency's human rights curriculum in its schools since 2002, according to UNRWA spokesman Chris Gunness.

Officials from the terrorist organization are at odds with UNRWA over the issue.

The terrorist group urged local school children to leave the classroom if human rights lessons included information about the Holocaust, if teachers tried to tell them about the genocide or gave them books about the issue.

UNRWA: Children Deserve 'Peaceful, Non-Politicized Spaces'
Gunness defended the policy, slamming the attempt by Hamas to dictate the agency's curriculum.

Children deserve to learn “in peaceful, non-politicized spaces in which they can attain the highest level of human development,” he said.

The agency operates 228 schools in Gaza, educating more than 200,000 Palestinian Authority Arab children.


(IsraelNationalNews.com)


Advocate
 
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Reply Sat 12 Mar, 2011 10:21 am
Hamas fears demonstrations by Gaza youth seeking democratic reforms.

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2011/me_hamas0268_03_11.asp
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Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 14 Mar, 2011 10:30 am
Hamas celebrates slaughter of Israeli couple and their three young children in their beds.

http://www.onejerusalem.org/2011/03/israeli-family-brutally-slaugh.php
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 14 Mar, 2011 06:31 pm
@Advocate,
Why do you figure, Advocate, US students aren't taught about the terrorism and the war crimes of their own governments?

Why were the people of the Philippines duped for so many years concerning the US occupation and rape of their country?

Can you imagine what is being taught in South Korean schools?
Advocate
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 03:58 pm
@JTT,
Does this somehow justify the really terrible things being taught to the Pal children? When this type of thing happens, no matter where, it should be publicized and condemned.
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 06:09 pm
@Advocate,
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Does this somehow justify the really terrible things being taught to the Pal children?


No, it wouldn't, Advocate, if that was a realistic description of what is actually happening. Your article, though graphic, I'm sure you'd agree, isn't all that balanced.

After an Israeli couple and 3 of their young children were brutally executed in their beds Friday night the Hamas terrorists in Gaza, ... were handing out candy in the streets.

Is the connection that we're supposed to make here that those responsible for that attack were handing out candy or that it is simply bizarre for people to ever hand out candy to children in Gaza?

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As recently as last week, A Palestinian soccer tournament was named after a terrorist.


To these people, she gave her life to help their struggle. I've never heard it mentioned, anywhere, that an airport in Washington is named after a terrorist, or that numerous pieces of military junk carry the names of terrorists/war criminals.

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But the UN was quick to denounce Israeli construction.


No balance, Advocate. That's the guy's job, to try to stop one of the major reasons for the violence that will continue as long as Israel keeps stealing and making use of other people's land.

Your article made it sound as if the UN was laughing at these murders. And yet, it said right in the link that, let me quote,

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On Saturday Serry released a statement, saying that he "unequivocally condemns last night's shocking murder of an Israeli family of five, including three children, in the West Bank, and calls for those responsible to be brought to justice. "


Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2011 09:56 am
@JTT,
You are a good apologist for the terrorist Pals. Again, you cite the support of terrorists by others to defend the Hamas sick teachings and terrorism. I would agree that naming a major airport for Reagan, who was in essence a terrorist, was reprehensible.

It now appears that Hamas has lost control of the terrorists operating in Gaza. See the following.

GOC Southern Command: "Hamas has lost control of Gaza Strip"

26 March 2011 , 20:08

Maj. Gen. Russo made the statement in a visit to the Eshkol Regional Council .


According to Commander of Southern Command, Maj. Gen. Tal Russo, Hamas is fighting for power over other organizations in the Gaza Strip. On Sat. evening (Mar. 26) two Qassam rockets hit Israel


Commander of the Southern Command, Maj. Gen. Tal Russo, stated that, "Hamas has lost control of other organizations within the Gaza Strip. There is anarchy among them and within Hamas itself. There's no authority over any facet and it's difficult for Hamas to regain control."

Maj. Gen. Russo made the statement in a visit to the Eshkol Regional Council where a Qassam rocket fell on Saturday night (Mar. 26), causing serious damage to the house it landed on.

According to Galatz (Army Radio) Maj. Gen. Russo added that, "Hamas' power is waning since Operation Cast Lead and its memory of the operation fading. I hope it regains its composure soon."

When asked about the possibility of another operation in the Gaza Strip he explained, "It depends on the other side. We are trying to enable residents of southern communities to live as normally as possible."

In the backdrop, news from the Gaza Strip said Hamas can no longer enforce its authority over other organizations continuing to fire at Israel, despite the organization's claims that it is trying to stop the firing.

On Saturday night two Qassam rockets were fired into Israel. One of these rockets, as stated earlier, caused serious damage to a private home in the Eshkol Regional Council. An additional rocket fell in an open territory causing no injury or damage.

-- diver.idf.com



JTT
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2011 05:15 pm
@Advocate,
I didn't make any apology for anyone, Advocate. I suggested a more balanced approach is what is needed to rectify this problem. The murder was a horrific event that no one should ever want to see repeated. All murderers should be held to account.

But unless a more balance approach is taken, these events will continue. That's a given.

Right now, in the "war" there is no balance. In your mind you believe Israel kills in a fashion that isn't brutal like this was. Yet that isn't at all true. Israel has committed war crimes, Israel has been brutal, Israel just has the big and the fancy gunnery.
Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 12 Apr, 2011 08:40 am
@JTT,
Your accusations that Israel is at times brutal, etc., are a joke. I guess you can go back in ancient history to find some instances of Israeli bad conduct, but Israel acts honorably and with restrain in defending itself. This is hardly the case with the Pals. Just look at the recent incident when they fired an anti-tank shell at an Israeli school bus. Consider the following.


Goldstone's recantation exposes the hypocrisy of anti-Israel 'human rights' organizations
By Jennifer Rubin, Washington Post, April 6, 2011

One benefit of the print edition of The Post (meaning the paper thing that's dropped on your doorstep and not the "online print edition") is that when you thumb through, you spot gems you would never have otherwise seen. A case in point: today: Robert Bernstein, the former head of Human Rights Watch (who has blown the cover on its anti-Israel agenda) writes a letter to the editor:

Richard Goldstone's retraction cut the ground from under war-crime charges against Israel by Human Rights Watch. Although I founded Human Rights Watch and was its chairman for most of its existence, I have openly criticized it because its Gaza reports were seriously flawed. Judge Goldstone now concurs. I hope this puts the matter to rest and that Human Rights Watch makes every effort to undo the harm caused by its flawed reports. It's time to heal and to create an atmosphere conducive to peace negotiations in the Arab-Israel conflict.

But of course, HRW has no such intention.

Gerald Steinberg, the head of NGO Monitor, the Israel-based watchdog group that tracks NGO activity, described the situation to the Jerusalem Post:

NGO Monitor also issued a statement slamming NGOs who contributed and "orchestrated" the conclusions of the Goldstone report, asserting that the "Goldstone Report, published under the auspices of the UN Human Rights Council in September 2009, has been used to justify a widespread campaign of demonizing Israel with false accusations of 'war crimes' and demands for BDS (boycotts, divestment, and sanctions)."

According to Gerald Steinberg, "with Goldstone's admission that 'our fact-finding mission had no evidence' and that 'civilians were not intentionally targeted as a matter of policy,' the politicized NGOs that supplied these allegations have been exposed again as biased and lacking credibility."

Goldstone was misled by an orchestrated campaign led by powerful NGOs, including Human Rights Watch (HRW), Amnesty International, B'Tselem, Breaking the Silence, Adalah, Palestinian Center for Human Rights, and Al Haq. As NGO Monitor demonstrated when the report was released, the so-called "evidence" provided by these groups was at the core of the political war against Israel. Goldstone was taken in by crude manipulation.

Steinberg especially attacked HRW who he said, "has been at the forefront of demonization and distortions since the infamous 2001 Durban conference, and used its influence to promote Goldstone, who was on HRW's board. The leaders of this organization's Middle East division have a long history of involvement in hard-core anti-Israel advocacy. This immoral behavior led HRW's founder, Robert Bernstein, to denounce his own organization, presaging Richard Goldstone's reconsideration."

He further added that "Israeli NGOs funded by European governments and the New Israel Fund have also played a central role in advancing the one-sided agenda of repressive regimes at the UN Human Rights Council. They have continued to lobby at the US Congress, European Parliament, and the Knesset. Goldstone's Washington Post article has exposed these campaigns as nothing more than anti-Israel propaganda."

HRW hasn't renounced the Goldstone report. To the contrary, HRW's Kenneth Roth claims that "Goldstone has not retreated from the report's allegation that Israel engaged in large-scale attacks in violation of the laws of war." Okay, so the targeting-civilians-making-Israelis-war-criminals part Goldstone got wrong, HRW concedes. But now the target shifts to Israel's "refusal to date to conduct credible investigations into the serious violations of the laws of war that it committed in Gaza." But didn't Goldstone say that it was those very investigations that caused him to reverse his position? You see the game here — lie after lie is tossed out; when one is exposed, another is thrown out to take its place.

Why is this important? It's key to Israel's defense against the delegitimizers. It is not Israel that should be delegitimized, but the fleet of phony human rights groups and their enablers such as J Street who use the gloss of "human rights" to conduct a bad-faith campaign of attack on Israel's right to exist and to defend itself. They simply are not legitimate, unbiased human rights groups. The Goldstone episode, if nothing else, makes that abundantly clear.

Israel is fighting for its survival not only on the battlefield but in the court of public opinion. For those who believe truth matters, it is important to point out the untruths and agenda of Israel's attackers. Those who shrink from acknowledging the falsity of the attacks on Israel either have common aims with the phony human rights groups or have lost the capacity to make moral distinctions. The latter is a much bigger problem for elite intellectuals, and goes well beyond the topic of Israel.

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Advocate
 
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Reply Fri 15 Apr, 2011 07:21 am
Hamas confirms that it fires its missiles from civilian areas.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/143524
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 15 Apr, 2011 10:41 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
No, it wouldn't, Advocate, if that was a realistic description of what is actually happening. Your article, though graphic, I'm sure you'd agree, isn't all that balanced.


I found the article to be balanced.



JTT wrote:
After an Israeli couple and 3 of their young children were brutally executed in their beds Friday night the Hamas terrorists in Gaza, ... were handing out candy in the streets.

Is the connection that we're supposed to make here that those responsible for that attack were handing out candy or that it is simply bizarre for people to ever hand out candy to children in Gaza?


The connection is that the candy was being handed out to celebrate the murder of innocents.

Palestinians, being evil, always celebrate the murder of innocents in this fashion.

Less than a year after Clinton tried to get a Palestinian state based on the 1967 borders (an effort that failed because the Palestinians were too busy trying to murder children to care about statehood), the Palestinians celebrated the 9/11 attacks the same way.



JTT wrote:
To these people, she gave her life to help their struggle.


Nah. What the Palestinians like about terrorists is the way they murder innocents.



JTT wrote:
I've never heard it mentioned, anywhere, that an airport in Washington is named after a terrorist, or that numerous pieces of military junk carry the names of terrorists/war criminals.


That is because the US doesn't target civilians the way Palestinians do.



JTT wrote:
No balance, Advocate. That's the guy's job, to try to stop one of the major reasons for the violence that will continue as long as Israel keeps stealing and making use of other people's land.


First, the West Bank is not "other people's land". That is Israel's homeland, and the Palestinians are the ones who are land thieves.

And second, Israel would give up the land anyway, in exchange for peace. However, the Palestinians are evil and refuse to make peace.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 15 Apr, 2011 10:43 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
I didn't make any apology for anyone, Advocate. I suggested a more balanced approach is what is needed to rectify this problem. The murder was a horrific event that no one should ever want to see repeated. All murderers should be held to account.

But unless a more balance approach is taken, these events will continue. That's a given.

Right now, in the "war" there is no balance. In your mind you believe Israel kills in a fashion that isn't brutal like this was. Yet that isn't at all true. Israel has committed war crimes, Israel has been brutal, Israel just has the big and the fancy gunnery.


That is incorrect. Israel has committed no war crimes.

And what balance? The Palestinians refuse to make peace and insist on murdering innocent people. Where does balance come into that?

What's needed are more effective weapons to better combat Palestinian aggression.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 19 Apr, 2011 08:38 am
It is deeply disappointing that Obama mindlesssly blames Israel for standing in the way of peace in Palestine. He brazenly ignores of the facts of the matter.

An open letter to President Obama
"What do you really expect of Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and his government?"
By Isi Leibler, Jerusalem Post, April 13, 2011

Dear Mr. President,

During your recent meeting with American Jewish communal leaders, you reassured them of "America's unshakable support for Israel's security, opposition to any effort to delegitimize it or single it out for criticisms, and commitment to achieve a peace that will secure the future for Arabs and Israelis alike."

Moreover, you reaffirmed your undertaking to keep US military aid at its current high levels.

On the eve of Pessach, when we celebrate our freedom from bondage, permit me to explain why, despite such assurances, most Israelis still harbor profound anxiety about your attitude toward our security.

I preface this with a reference to your disturbing remarks at the meeting, when you urged them to "search your souls" over whether Israel is genuinely serious about peace, and called on them to encourage us to take "bold steps." Many of us consider such remarks as exemplifying the moral equivalence you consistently apply to our defensive actions in relation to terror attacks, and your penchant for condemning us while largely ignoring Palestinian intransigency.

You appear to have endorsed the Arab narrative, which ignores the fact that it was the Jewish state that suffered aggression from its neighbors preceding the '67 war. You also seem to disregard the fact that the vast majority of Israelis today – including our prime minister – have no desire to rule over Arabs, and would dearly like to separate from them.

We may debate the amount of land beyond the 1949 armistice lines that Resolution 242 entitles us to retain, but the discussion is over minor percentages. Besides, two prime ministers offered the Palestinians over 90 percent of these territories – and were rebuffed.

Today our region is undergoing unprecedented upheaval. For years we have been confronting a xenophobic, Islamic Iran, on the eve of achieving nuclear status, which repeatedly declares its intention to wipe us off the face of the world.

Now the entire Arab world is in the throes of revolutionary turmoil. But far from emerging as free societies, new Arab regimes may prove to be even more committed to radical Islam than their corrupt predecessors. We fear that we will again be surrounded by fanatical rejectionist states committed to our destruction.

In this context, Mr. President, Israelis ask: What do you really expect of Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and his government? Bear in mind that unilateral withdrawal from Gaza led to increased missile attacks. And since your election, Israel has made all the concessions. Last year, under enormous pressure from you, Netanyahu took the unprecedented step of imposing a 10-month freeze on settlement construction, even in areas that will unquestionably remain part of Israel. He also committed the government to endorsing a two-state solution—a major policy reversal in his Likud party.

In contrast, beyond making duplicitous statements—concealed from their constituents—endorsing peace, the Palestinian leaders remained utterly intransigent, unwilling to compromise on a single issue, even refusing to negotiate.

In fact, following Al Jazeera disclosures of compromises allegedly reached during negotiations with prime minister Ehud Olmert, the PA leaders blatantly denied having offered any concessions.

Surely this suggests that when negotiating with Olmert, Abbas was either duplicitous or conscious that brainwashing his constituents to hate us had been so effective that any genuine Palestinian accommodation was inconceivable.

The incitement emanating from every level of Palestinian society continues unabated, with Abbas brazenly sanctifying terrorists and providing pensions for the families of those who murder Israeli civilians.

Besides, the PA has been adamant in its refusal to recognize us as a Jewish state. Indeed, whereas 20% of the population of Israel consists of Arab and Muslim citizens, our "moderate peace partner" has proclaimed that a Palestinian state would be judenrein (editor: free of Jews), insisting that he would not tolerate the presence of a single Jew. Mr. President, can you ignore such blatantly racist remarks from a leader you repeatedly refer to as a moderate peace partner? Many of us believe that the principal objective of Abbas, like his Hamas kinsmen, is still the dissolution of Jewish sovereignty; that he is merely employing Yasser Arafat's tactics of extracting unilateral concessions and attempting to dismantle us in stages.

However, even if we accept your premise that Abbas is genuinely willing to make peace, can you, seriously visualize him having the power to deliver? Besides, you are aware that Hamas is a genocidal organization, committed to killing all Jews. Yet the man you insist is a moderate peace partner unequivocally repeats his desire to merge his PA with these Islamic psychopaths. Is it reasonable to expect us to support the creation of a neighboring state in which a dominant group remains proudly committed to our destruction?

And finally, Mr. President, a word about our right to defend ourselves. If authorities in Cuba or Mexico authorized missile launches targeting American citizens, would you call for restraint? Would you respond by merely bombing empty buildings? Would you apologize if innocent civilians employed as human shields became casualties in the course of efforts to forestall attacks on American citizens? Mr. President, over the 63 years since we achieved independence, despite continuous terrorist attacks and neighbors seeking our destruction, we have succeeded in creating a vibrant democratic state. It is thus unconscionable to apply moral equivalence between our efforts to protect our citizens, and those committing acts of terror.

When you urge your Jewish constituents to press Israel to make further unilateral concessions, it epitomizes the concerns we share about your inability to appreciate the perils we face. It also fuels our fear that you are contemplating further pressure on us to retreat behind the 1949 armistice lines – which would endanger our very existence.

I urge you to reinstate the principles outlined by the Bush administration. I refer to US rejection of the right of return for Palestinian refugees; recognition of demographic changes in relation to the major settlement blocs, not seeking to impose a return to the 1949 armistice lines; and support for defensible Israeli borders.

I believe I echo the vast majority of my fellow Israelis when I appeal to you to provide us with the confidence to move forward by taking these elements into account and review your current policy.

InfraBlue
 
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Reply Wed 20 Apr, 2011 10:42 pm
@Advocate,
It's not that President Obama ignores the facts of the matter. It's that he doesn't know whether he's coming or going, and he's allowed a subject nation that enjoys heavy domestic support to dictate the terms of negotiations.

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You appear to have endorsed the Arab narrative, which ignores the fact that it was the Jewish state that suffered aggression from its neighbors preceding the ’67 war.


To what aggression is Leibler referring? The 1948 War and the Civil War that immediately preceded it? These were the columniation of Zionist aggression in their efforts to create their exclusivist ethnocentric state in Palestine, which included explicit plans to ethnically cleanse ("transfer" they called it then) areas of Palestine that were to come under Zionist control. The Arab states responded to these Zionists aggressions in support of the Palestinians.

The Zionists like to crow about their inclusion of Palestinians as "Israeli citizens," but this "citizenship" is limited, and the Israeli government has found itself to systematically discriminate against this portion of their "citizenry."

More to the truth, Leibler reveals the true nature of the Zionists when she states that "the vast majority of Israelis today – including our prime minister – have no desire to rule over Arabs, and would dearly like to separate from them." This sentiment has been reiterated by Tzipi Livni, head of Kadima, the largest party in the Knesset, when she stated in an address to Israeli school children in 2008 that her solution for maintaining a Jewish and democratic state of Israel was to have two distinct national entities whereby she would be able to approach the Palestinian residents of Israel and tell them that their national aspirations lie elsewhere. National aspirations for Israel’s minority population lie someplace other than their very own nation.

To the Zionists what “Jewish and democratic” means is democracy in Israel for "Jews." Israel’s minorities need not apply.

What boggles the mind is that a majority of US citizens support this explicitly discriminatory state.

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We may debate the amount of land beyond the 1949 armistice lines that Resolution 242 entitles us to retain, but the discussion is over minor percentages. Besides, two prime ministers offered the Palestinians over 90 percent of these territories – and were rebuffed.


These Israeli Prime Ministers were rebuffed primarily because they refused to own Israel's obligation to the Palestinians in recognizing their Right of Return.

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TODAY OUR region is undergoing unprecedented upheaval. For years we have been confronting a xenophobic, Islamic Iran, on the eve of achieving nuclear status, which repeatedly declares its intention to wipe us off the face of the world.

Now the entire Arab world is in the throes of revolutionary turmoil. But far from emerging as free societies, new Arab regimes may prove to be even more committed to radical Islam than their corrupt predecessors. We fear that we will again be surrounded by fanatical rejectionist states committed to our destruction.


Some of these corrupt regimes to which Leibler refers abetted the state of Israel in its discrimination and oppression of the Palestinian peoples, and contributed to the maintenance of the status quo thereof.

The necessarily discriminatory and oppressive ethnocentric Zionist regime should be destroyed and replaced by a truly democratic system of government that enfranchises all of the peoples of Israel and Palestine.

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In this context, Mr. President, Israelis ask: What do you really expect of Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and his government? Bear in mind that unilateral withdrawal from Gaza led to increased missile attacks. And since your election, Israel has made all the concessions. Last year, under enormous pressure from you, Netanyahu took the unprecedented step of imposing a 10-month freeze on settlement construction, even in areas that will unquestionably remain part of Israel. He also committed the government to endorsing a two-state solution – a major policy reversal in his Likud party.


Withdrawing unilaterally wasn't in the interests of either Israel or the Palestinians. Israel should have coordinated its withdrawal with the Palestinian Authority. Also what is questionable is Israel's decision to withdraw right as the Palestinian elections were to commence. It was a virtual given that Hamas would win the elections and take over control of the government.

With that said, despite Israel's evacuation of settlers in the Gaza Strip it continues to retain control over Gaza’s borders, airspace, coastline, infrastructure, power, import-exports, etc.

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And since your election, Israel has made all the concessions. Last year, under enormous pressure from you, Netanyahu took the unprecedented step of imposing a 10-month freeze on settlement construction, even in areas that will unquestionably remain part of Israel. He also committed the government to endorsing a two-state solution – a major policy reversal in his Likud party.


All of the concessions made by Israel amounted to a pause in settlement construction in Palestinian territory. And as Leibler acknowledges, Israel has already decided for itself what it won't concede—the cessation further arrogation of that selfsame Palestinian territory.

Netanyahu's idea of a two-state solution is for the Palestinians to have some sort of ghetto utterly at the mercy of and under the Zionist boot.

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In contrast, beyond making duplicitous statements – concealed from their constituents – endorsing peace, the Palestinian leaders remained utterly intransigent, unwilling to compromise on a single issue, even refusing to negotiate.


The Palestinian leaders agreed to meet with the Israelis all the while Israel continued to expand its settlements in Palestinian territory.

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In fact, following Al Jazeera disclosures of compromises allegedly reached during negotiations with prime minister Ehud Olmert, the PA leaders blatantly denied having offered any concessions.

Surely this suggests that when negotiating with Olmert, Abbas was either duplicitous or conscious that brainwashing his constituents to hate us had been so effective that any genuine Palestinian accommodation was inconceivable.


Actually, what these disclosures reveal is the lengths that the Palestinians were willing to go through to accommodate the Israelis, and yet the Israelis reneged on any kind of agreement.

All the PA officials were doing was trying to save face by denying the fact that they were willing to sell out their own peoples' principles.

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The incitement emanating from every level of Palestinian society continues unabated, with Abbas brazenly sanctifying terrorists and providing pensions for the families of those who murder Israeli civilians.


This isn't different from Israel's commemoration of its own terrorists.

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Besides, the PA has been adamant in its refusal to recognize us as a Jewish state. Indeed, whereas 20% of the population of Israel consists of Arab and Muslim citizens. . .


Those twenty percent are the very people--Arab and Muslim--that Leibler, her Prime Minister, and the vast majority of Israelis, as she asserts, would dearly like to separate from, and have no desire to "rule over."

This is the mindset of the ethnocentrists that see themselves as "ruling over" their minority populations instead of "ruling alongside" or "ruling with" them.

And yet most of the people of the US support this anachronism of a state.

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. . . our “moderate peace partner” has proclaimed that a Palestinian state would be judenrein, insisting that he would not tolerate the presence of a single Jew.


Leibler (what a profoundly ironic sounding name) is libeling Abbas in saying that he "has proclaimed that a Palestinian state would be judenrein." This is actually what Abbas said:

“We are prepared to move toward peace based on international resolutions, the Road Map and 1967 borders, but when a Palestinian state is established, it will be empty of any Israeli presence.”

Abbas was talking about the presence of the Zionist state, and of Zionists with their discriminatory and oppressive designs in Palestine, like what they are now doing in the land they are arrogating for their settlements, which are being built exclusively for "Jews."

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Mr. President, can you ignore such blatantly racist remarks from a leader you repeatedly refer to as a moderate peace partner?


Can anyone ignore the blatant misrepresentation and subterfuge in Leibler's libel?

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Many of us believe that the principal objective of Abbas, like his Hamas kinsmen, is still the dissolution of Jewish sovereignty; that he is merely employing Yasser Arafat’s tactics of extracting unilateral concessions and attempting to dismantle us in stages.


The principal objective of Abbas, and most of the Palestinian peoples for that matter, is that Israel comply with its legal obligations as determined by the UN, the very organization that Israel points to when it claims legitimacy as a nation, through the various resolutions that body has passed with respect to the Palestinian peoples.

If that means the dissolution of "Jewish sovereignty" in Israel/Palestine, then so be it. The idea of Zionism or any kind of ethnocentric sovereignty has revealed to what depths of depravity this ideology has reached in Israel/Palestine.

It is imperative that the necessarily discriminatory and oppressive ethnocentric Zionist state be dismantled.

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However, even if we accept your premise that Abbas is genuinely willing to make peace, can you, seriously visualize him having the power to deliver? Besides, you are aware that Hamas is a genocidal organization, committed to killing all Jews. Yet the man you insist is a moderate peace partner unequivocally repeats his desire to merge his PA with these Islamic psychopaths.


Where in the world does Leibler get the idea that Hamas is committed to killing all Jews? She has let her persecution delusion get the better of her.

What Hamas wants to do is establish a Muslim nation in Palestine tolerating non-Muslims there as second class citizens bound by Sharia law. These psychopaths aren't very much different from their psychopath Zionist counterparts who established an ethnocentric state in Palestine in which a tightly controlled, non-Jewish minority is tolerated as second class citizens bound by discriminatory bylaws, and a non-Jewish population is being systematically and oppressively dispossessed of its land, and massed into increasingly circumscribed mega-ghettos.

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Is it reasonable to expect us to support the creation of a neighboring state in which a dominant group remains proudly committed to our destruction?


It is reasonable to expect Leibler and her fellow Zionists to dismantle your necessarily discriminatory and oppressive ethnocentric state and replace it with a truly democratic one that serves all of the peoples in Israel/Palestine.

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AND FINALLY, Mr. President, a word about our right to defend ourselves.[.quote]

A necessarily discriminatory and oppressive ethnocentric state does not have the right to defend itself. Such a state has the obligation to dismantle and replace itself with a democratic one.

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If authorities in Cuba or Mexico authorized missile launches targeting American citizens, would you call for restraint? Would you respond by merely bombing empty buildings? Would you apologize if innocent civilians employed as human shields became casualties in the course of efforts to forestall attacks on American citizens?


If America were to be a necessarily discriminatory and oppressive state then America would deserve to be attacked from everywhere and everyone and dismantled and replaced with a democratic state.

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Mr. President, over the 63 years since we achieved independence, despite continuous terrorist attacks and neighbors seeking our destruction, we have succeeded in creating a vibrant democratic state.


Leibler and her fellow Zionists have succeeded in creating a "vibrant democratic state" exclusively for Jews at the expense of the Palestinian peoples. They should have endeavored to create a vibrant democratic state for all of the peoples in Palestine.

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It is thus unconscionable to apply moral equivalence between our efforts to protect our citizens, and those committing acts of terror.


Talk about the utter hypocrisy in decrying the application of moral equivalency in regard to protecting a necessarily discriminatory and oppressive ethnocentric state! The psychopathy is astounding!

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When you urge your Jewish constituents to press Israel to make further unilateral concessions, it epitomizes the concerns we share about your inability to appreciate the perils we face. It also fuels our fear that you are contemplating further pressure on us to retreat behind the 1949 armistice lines – which would endanger our very existence.


This necessarily discriminatory and oppressive ethnocentric existence of which Leibler speaks should be endangered. This existence of hers should be replaced with a more pluralistic and egalitarian existence that enfranchises not only her but all of the peoples of Palestine, even those from whom she would dearly like to separate from.

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I urge you to reinstate the principles outlined by the Bush administration. I refer to US rejection of the right of return for Palestinian refugees; recognition of demographic changes in relation to the major settlement blocs, not seeking to impose a return to the 1949 armistice lines; and support for defensible Israeli borders.


The Bush administration's policies concerning Israel/Palestine were driven partly by the dyed-in-the-wool Zionists in his administration, and principally by the Christianity Zionists therein who impart their own psychopathic, theological mumbo-jumbo into the already muddled issues involved in this conflict.

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I believe I echo the vast majority of my fellow Israelis when I appeal to you to provide us with the confidence to move forward by taking these elements into account and review your current policy.


Leibler's beliefs about echoing the vast majority of her fellow Israelis are unfortunately true, and portend the awful future that is in store for this wretched area of the world.
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2011 09:28 am
@InfraBlue,
Excellent, Infra!

Advocate, I'm always puzzled at how fair you can be regarding US misdeeds but you are absolutely blinded to those of Israel.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2011 08:56 pm
Here’s a better edited response:

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You appear to have endorsed the Arab narrative, which ignores the fact that it was the Jewish state that suffered aggression from its neighbors preceding the ’67 war.


To what aggression is Leibler referring? The 1948 War and the Civil War that immediately preceded it? These were the columniation of Zionist aggression in their efforts to create their exclusivist ethnocentric state in Palestine, which included explicit plans to ethnically cleanse ("transfer" they called it then) areas of Palestine that were to come under Zionist control. The Arab states responded to these Zionists aggressions in support of the Palestinians.

The Zionists like to crow about their inclusion of Palestinians as "Israeli citizens," but this "citizenship" is limited, and the Israeli government has found itself to systematically discriminate against this portion of their "citizenry."

More to the truth, Leibler reveals the true nature of the Zionists when she states that "the vast majority of Israelis today – including our prime minister – have no desire to rule over Arabs, and would dearly like to separate from them." This sentiment has been reiterated by Tzipi Livni, head of Kadima, the largest party in the Knesset, when she stated in an address to Israeli school children in 2008 that her solution for maintaining a Jewish and democratic state of Israel was to have two distinct national entities whereby she would be able to approach the Palestinian residents of Israel and tell them that their national aspirations lie elsewhere.

National aspirations for Israel’s minority population lie someplace other than their very own nation.

To the Zionists what “Jewish and democratic” means is democracy in Israel for Jews. Israel’s minorities need not apply.

What boggles the mind is that a majority of US citizens support this explicitly discriminatory state.

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We may debate the amount of land beyond the 1949 armistice lines that Resolution 242 entitles us to retain, but the discussion is over minor percentages. Besides, two prime ministers offered the Palestinians over 90 percent of these territories – and were rebuffed.


These Israeli Prime Ministers were rebuffed primarily because they refused to own Israel's obligation to the Palestinians in recognizing their Right of Return.

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TODAY OUR region is undergoing unprecedented upheaval. For years we have been confronting a xenophobic, Islamic Iran, on the eve of achieving nuclear status, which repeatedly declares its intention to wipe us off the face of the world.

Now the entire Arab world is in the throes of revolutionary turmoil. But far from emerging as free societies, new Arab regimes may prove to be even more committed to radical Islam than their corrupt predecessors. We fear that we will again be surrounded by fanatical rejectionist states committed to our destruction.


Some of these corrupt regimes to which Leibler refers abetted the state of Israel in its discrimination and oppression of the Palestinian peoples, and contributed to the maintenance of the status quo thereof.

The necessarily discriminatory and oppressive ethnocentric Zionist regime should be destroyed and replaced by a truly democratic system of government that enfranchises all of the peoples of Israel and Palestine.

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In this context, Mr. President, Israelis ask: What do you really expect of Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and his government? Bear in mind that unilateral withdrawal from Gaza led to increased missile attacks. And since your election, Israel has made all the concessions. Last year, under enormous pressure from you, Netanyahu took the unprecedented step of imposing a 10-month freeze on settlement construction, even in areas that will unquestionably remain part of Israel. He also committed the government to endorsing a two-state solution – a major policy reversal in his Likud party.


Withdrawing unilaterally wasn't in the interests of either Israel or the Palestinians. Israel should have coordinated its withdrawal with the Palestinian Authority. Also what is questionable is Israel's decision to withdraw right as the Palestinian elections were to commence. It was a virtual given that Hamas would win the elections and take over control of the government.

With that said, despite Israel's evacuation of settlers in the Gaza Strip it continues to retain control over Gaza’s borders, airspace, coastline, infrastructure, power, import-exports, etc.

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And since your election, Israel has made all the concessions. Last year, under enormous pressure from you, Netanyahu took the unprecedented step of imposing a 10-month freeze on settlement construction, even in areas that will unquestionably remain part of Israel. He also committed the government to endorsing a two-state solution – a major policy reversal in his Likud party.


All of the concessions made by Israel amounted to a pause in settlement construction in Palestinian territory. And as Leibler acknowledges, Israel has already decided for itself what it won't concede—the cessation of further arrogation of that selfsame Palestinian territory.

Netanyahu's idea of a two-state solution is for the Palestinians to have some sort of ghetto utterly at the mercy of and under the Zionist boot.

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In contrast, beyond making duplicitous statements – concealed from their constituents – endorsing peace, the Palestinian leaders remained utterly intransigent, unwilling to compromise on a single issue, even refusing to negotiate.


The Palestinian leaders agreed to meet with the Israelis all the while Israel continued to expand its settlements in Palestinian territory.

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In fact, following Al Jazeera disclosures of compromises allegedly reached during negotiations with prime minister Ehud Olmert, the PA leaders blatantly denied having offered any concessions.

Surely this suggests that when negotiating with Olmert, Abbas was either duplicitous or conscious that brainwashing his constituents to hate us had been so effective that any genuine Palestinian accommodation was inconceivable.


Actually, what these disclosures reveal is the lengths to which the Palestinians were willing to go to to accommodate the Israelis, and yet the Israelis reneged on any kind of agreement.

All the PA officials were doing was trying to save face by denying the fact that they were willing to sell out their own peoples' principles to appease the Israelis.

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The incitement emanating from every level of Palestinian society continues unabated, with Abbas brazenly sanctifying terrorists and providing pensions for the families of those who murder Israeli civilians.


This isn't different from Israel's commemoration of its own terrorists.

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Besides, the PA has been adamant in its refusal to recognize us as a Jewish state. Indeed, whereas 20% of the population of Israel consists of Arab and Muslim citizens. . .


Those twenty percent are the very people--Arab and Muslim--that Leibler, her Prime Minister, Tzipi Livni and the vast majority of Israelis, as she asserts, would dearly like to separate from, and have no desire to "rule over."

This is the mindset of the ethnocentrists that see themselves as "ruling over" their minority populations instead of "ruling alongside" or "ruling with" them.

And yet most of the people of the US support this anachronism of a state.

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. . . our “moderate peace partner” has proclaimed that a Palestinian state would be judenrein, insisting that he would not tolerate the presence of a single Jew.


Leibler (what a profoundly ironic sounding name) is libeling Abbas in saying that he "has proclaimed that a Palestinian state would be judenrein." This is actually what Abbas said:

“We are prepared to move toward peace based on international resolutions, the Road Map and 1967 borders, but when a Palestinian state is established, it will be empty of any Israeli presence.”

Abbas was talking about the presence of the Zionist state, and of Zionists with their discriminatory and oppressive designs in Palestine, like what they are now doing in the land they are arrogating for their settlements, which are being built exclusively for "Jews."

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Mr. President, can you ignore such blatantly racist remarks from a leader you repeatedly refer to as a moderate peace partner?


Can anyone ignore the blatant misrepresentation and subterfuge in Leibler's libel?

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Many of us believe that the principal objective of Abbas, like his Hamas kinsmen, is still the dissolution of Jewish sovereignty; that he is merely employing Yasser Arafat’s tactics of extracting unilateral concessions and attempting to dismantle us in stages.


The principal objective of Abbas, and most of the Palestinian peoples for that matter, is that Israel comply with its legal obligations as determined by the UN, the very organization that Israel points to when it claims legitimacy as a nation, through the various resolutions that body has passed with respect to the Palestinian peoples.

If that means the dissolution of "Jewish sovereignty" in Israel/Palestine, then so be it. The idea of Zionism or any kind of ethnocentric sovereignty has revealed the depths of depravity to which this ideology has reached in Israel/Palestine.

It is imperative that the necessarily discriminatory and oppressive ethnocentric Zionist state be dismantled.

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However, even if we accept your premise that Abbas is genuinely willing to make peace, can you, seriously visualize him having the power to deliver? Besides, you are aware that Hamas is a genocidal organization, committed to killing all Jews. Yet the man you insist is a moderate peace partner unequivocally repeats his desire to merge his PA with these Islamic psychopaths.


Where in the world does Leibler get the idea that Hamas is committed to killing all Jews? She has let her persecution delusion get the better of her.

What Hamas wants to do is establish a Muslim nation in Palestine tolerating non-Muslims there as second class citizens bound by Sharia law. These psychopaths aren't very much different from their psychopath Zionist counterparts who established an ethnocentric state in Palestine in which a tightly controlled, non-Jewish minority is barely tolerated as second class citizens bound by discriminatory bylaws, and a non-Jewish population is being systematically and oppressively dispossessed of its land, and massed into increasingly circumscribed mega-ghettos.

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Is it reasonable to expect us to support the creation of a neighboring state in which a dominant group remains proudly committed to our destruction?


It is reasonable to expect Leibler and her fellow Zionists to dismantle their necessarily discriminatory and oppressive ethnocentric state and replace it with a truly democratic one that serves all of the peoples in Israel/Palestine.

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AND FINALLY, Mr. President, a word about our right to defend ourselves.


A necessarily discriminatory and oppressive ethnocentric state does not have the right to defend itself. Such a state has the obligation to dismantle and replace itself with a democratic one.

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If authorities in Cuba or Mexico authorized missile launches targeting American citizens, would you call for restraint? Would you respond by merely bombing empty buildings? Would you apologize if innocent civilians employed as human shields became casualties in the course of efforts to forestall attacks on American citizens?


If America were to be a necessarily discriminatory and oppressive state then America would deserve to be attacked from everywhere and everyone and dismantled and replaced with a democratic state.

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Mr. President, over the 63 years since we achieved independence, despite continuous terrorist attacks and neighbors seeking our destruction, we have succeeded in creating a vibrant democratic state.


Leibler and her fellow Zionists have succeeded in creating a "vibrant democratic state" exclusively for Jews at the expense of the Palestinian peoples. They should have endeavored to create a vibrant democratic state for all of the peoples in Palestine.

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It is thus unconscionable to apply moral equivalence between our efforts to protect our citizens, and those committing acts of terror.


Talk about the utter hypocrisy in decrying the application of moral equivalency in regard to protecting a necessarily discriminatory and oppressive ethnocentric state! The psychopathy is astounding!

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When you urge your Jewish constituents to press Israel to make further unilateral concessions, it epitomizes the concerns we share about your inability to appreciate the perils we face. It also fuels our fear that you are contemplating further pressure on us to retreat behind the 1949 armistice lines – which would endanger our very existence.


This necessarily discriminatory and oppressive ethnocentric existence of which Leibler speaks should be endangered. This “existence” of theirs should be replaced with a more pluralistic and egalitarian existence that enfranchises not only them but all of the peoples of Palestine, even those from whom they would dearly like to separate from.

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I urge you to reinstate the principles outlined by the Bush administration. I refer to US rejection of the right of return for Palestinian refugees; recognition of demographic changes in relation to the major settlement blocs, not seeking to impose a return to the 1949 armistice lines; and support for defensible Israeli borders.


The Bush administration's policies concerning Israel/Palestine were driven partly by the dyed-in-the-wool Zionists in his administration, and principally by the Christianist Zionists therein who impart their own psychopathic, theological mumbo-jumbo into the already muddled issues involved in this conflict.

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I believe I echo the vast majority of my fellow Israelis when I appeal to you to provide us with the confidence to move forward by taking these elements into account and review your current policy.


Leibler's beliefs about echoing the vast majority of her fellow Israelis are unfortunately true, and portend the awful future that is in store for this wretched area of the world.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 24 Apr, 2011 03:40 pm
Infra, you must be slipping these days -- you are resorting to spamming.

You have made it clear on several occasions that you would love to see the demise of Israel. Certainly, that colors all your foolish statements.

After the creation of Israel, and before the '67 War, before Israel even set foot in the West Bank and Gaza, there were hundreds of attacks on Israel by the Pals. Moreover, the Pals and the Jordanians desecrated many Jewish sites in eastern Jerusalem and the West Bank. The culmination of all this was the massive attack by the Arab countries and the Pals on Israel in the '67 War. This justified Israel's seizure of the WB and Gaza as a prize of war and for security reasons. This should make you understand why Israel has to be very careful in its negotiations with the Pals over a separate state for the Pals.

georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 24 Apr, 2011 03:49 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

.....The culmination of all this was the massive attack by the Arab countries and the Pals on Israel in the '67 War. This justified Israel's seizure of the WB and Gaza as a prize of war and for security reasons. This should make you understand why Israel has to be very careful in its negotiations with the Pals over a separate state for the Pals.


A slip of fact there. The "massive attack" in 1967 was launched - without warning or declaration of war - by Israel on Egypt, Jordan, and Syria - and not the other way around as you deceitfully claim. Israel did, as you say - seize the West bank for alleged security reasons, and then went on to deprive the people who lived there of basic human rights and the property they had owned for centuries. That is why Israel is a pariah state in the eyes of most people in the world.
Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 24 Apr, 2011 04:07 pm
@georgeob1,
Your statement is false, and you know it.

Egypt blockaded the Gulf of Aqaba, blockading Israel's southernmost port, which is an act of war. Also, as you know, it sent a huge military force toward Israel. Also, Jordan and Syria began firing on Israel after Egypt told them that its invasion of Israel was going well. These were also acts of war.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 24 Apr, 2011 04:08 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

. The culmination of all this was the massive attack by the Arab countries and the Pals on Israel in the '67 War.


Do you mean to revise this lie ????

The fact is this deceitful propaganda doesn't work very well anymore. The blinders are off and most people see Israel for what it really is.
 

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