ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

@cicerone imposter,

The average pay for women with the same jobs and experience as men in the USA is the same.

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@Walter Hinteler,

That is pretty witless. But I doubt you can do better.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Yes, and the earth will be flat again.

Oy; a sarcastic comment.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

... We are all aware of the backward countries that still force their women to cover all of their body, but they are in the minority of Muslim countries.

Then you should include neighborhoods in NYC where muslim women and school girls wear head coverings, or more. And, the statement that men force the women to adhere to these practices might be wrong. It might just be the communal pressure of the collective Muslim community. The point is, there might be an attitude towards Muslim women, by some of the males, that they have a limited purpose in the community. Naturally, they will usually not break out, since that invites banishment from the community, I would guess.

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@Foofie,

So? What's your point? Whether it's cultural pressure, religious pressure, societal pressure, or spousal pressure, nobody can control another human if they don't wish to be controlled in this country.

Of course, you didn't know that!

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

This is a picture I took in Central Asia last year where some 90% of the population are Muslims. Also, many countries in this part of the world prohibits the promotion of religion. This picture was taken on the last day of school where students celebrate, and these two young ladies talked to us in English. Many in this part of the world not only speak English, but are multi-lingual, and we have met young people who speak five or six languages.

You think they need your advocacy?

This has nothing to do with the radical Muslims in the Middle East that are anti-Zionist, anti-Semitic, anti-American, anti-modernity, anti-West. These far eastern asians are usually not even anti-Semitic, since they have had a Jewish community from the days when the Soviets put Jewish families in these outlying republics at the beginning of WWII, when the males of the family were needed for the war effort. You are looking at apples and comparing them to oranges.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

So? What's your point? Whether it's cultural pressure, religious pressure, societal pressure, or spousal pressure, nobody can control another human if they don't wish to be controlled in this country.

Of course, you didn't know that!

Wrong. Humans are a social animal. Banishment from one's birth society can even cause death, if not sickness. The entire human race is not as tough as you seem to be, in my opinion. By the way, you are a male. You have never lived your existence base on the socialization of a female, especially a Muslim female.

And, I would like to know your major in college, since it has been proven that when one operates outside of one's field (that one was educated in), one is no more knowledgeable than the average uneducated person. Having a college degree was a big deal for your "Elvis" generation. Today, going to college is a standard path after high school for many. So, your wealth of knowledge in many threads is not based on formal education. Meaning that you, a professor of English Lit, and a ditch digger, may all be just as knowledgeable about many threads you post in.

I happen to only comment in threads that I am a student of, so I might know more than those that are just very opinionated about the thread's topic.

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@Foofie,

Your idea that we all need to go to college to learn different subjects is not only wrong, but based on ignorance.

Most of what we learned are greatly influenced by many different things that includes reading and exposure. What I learned in college can be self-taught by some because of my major. That would be impossible in other specialities such as brain surgery or dentistry where only book-learning will be fatal. What my major was in college has no bearing on my opinions on a2k.

It's true I will never have the same experience as a woman, but that isn't really saying much, because I was born a male. Saying I don't understand being a Muslim woman is beyond common sense or logic. Also, for you to imply that I don't understand the human species to be a social animal goes beyond condescension.

If you comment only on threads that you claim you are a "student of," then what are you doing here?

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@Foofie,

cicerone imposter wrote:

So? What's your point? Whether it's cultural pressure, religious pressure, societal pressure, or spousal pressure, nobody can control another human if they don't wish to be controlled in this country.

Of course, you didn't know that!
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The man is a joke no one can control another person my my tell that to the cults and the men who had beaten their wives/girlfriends into doing anything they said.

What a Jew hating asshole this man is. and even cultures that treat their own women as low class slaves will be defended by him if that culture is in conflict with Jews.

Nazis was not all that bad now was they cicerone imposter ?

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@BillRM,

Bill, Do you know what a crime is in this country?

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@BillRM,

Rather than respond to my opinions and the posts I've posted here, you resort to ad hominems. Most people understand what that means.

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I think it is undeniable that Muslim extremism is on the rise. Not long ago, Hamas elected to adopt shariah. In the past few days, extremist Shiites in Iraq attacked women who were not veiled. In Iran, the Ahmandineajad administration proposed allowing men the right to freely take additional wives.

It is quite conceivable that burkas could become increasingly mandatory. It is also conceivable that Germany will once again attack its neighbors.

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@Advocate,

If Muslim extremism is on the rise, please show us evidence of it? You would need to provide us what the numbers were previously, and what they are today - preferably by yearly periods going back several decades.

The only "evidence" we now have is that al Qaida activity and our knowledge increased after GW Bush invaded Iraq. Most people didn't even know where Iraq was located on a world map. It was concluded by many that Bush gave al Qaida a gift by invading Iraq - that resulted in more recruitment for al Qaida/Taliban.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

So? What's your point? Whether it's cultural pressure, religious pressure, societal pressure, or spousal pressure, nobody can control another human if they don't wish to be controlled in this country.

Of course, you didn't know that!

My point is that you are wrong in your belief above. You are blaming the victim for not asserting herself against those that think she might be property of theirs. Some women are willing to take abuse, so they can continue to feed their children. Also, I would guess you may not have a daughter, based on your lack of empathy with the situation of women in society.

And, you talk about caring for all of humankind?????

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@cicerone imposter,

Our government claimed that the al-Qaeda population in Afghanistan BEFORE WE INVADED IT was about 10,000. The al-Qaeda population in Iraq grew from 300 in December 2001 to more than 1,000 when we invaded it March 2003. The estimates for after we invaded Iraq vary, but it appears likely that their population increased for a time and then decreased to less than 100 by the end of 2008.

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@ican711nm,

Where is your proof for these numbers?

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@Foofie,

Foofie, You can take a horse to water, but you can't make him drink it. Most everybody in this country knows this is a country of laws, and legal precedence takes over personal ones. Slavery was outlawed over one century ago, but you'll still find pockets of slavery in this country that are "underground." And, yes, some women will continue to live with abusive husbands, but they don't need to if they so choose. The laws will protect them if they seek help. To feed their children is not a good excuse, because the government and charities help those in need. You know that story about leading a horse to water?

Many couples do not have daughters? What's your point? I have a sister, and many nieces. You base your "you don't have empathy for women" based on that? You are dumb!

I was the first manager at Florsheim Shoe Company to hire a woman auditor, and that was over 40 years ago.

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@rabel22,

Quote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansar_al-Islam
Ansar al-Islam was formed in December 2001.
Ansar al-Islam comprised about 300 armed men, many of these veterans from the Afghan war, and a proportion being neither Kurd nor Arab. Ansar al-Islam is alleged to be connected to al-Qaeda, and provided an entry point for Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and other Afghan veterans to enter Iraq.[/size]

Quote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansar_al-Islam
Ansar al-Islam (Supporters or Partisans of Islam) is a Kurdish Sunni Islamist group, promoting a radical interpretation of Islam and holy war. At the beginning of the 2003 invasion of Iraq it controlled about a dozen villages and a range of peaks in northern Iraq on the Iranian border. It has used tactics such as suicide bombers in its conflicts with the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan and other Kurdish groups.

General Tommy Franks wrote:

American Soldier, by General Tommy Franks, 7/1/2004
"10" Regan Books, An Imprint of HarperCollins Publishers

page 483:
"The air picture changed once more. Now the icons were streaming toward two ridges an a steep valley in far northeastern Iraq, right on the border with Iran. These were the camps of the Ansar al-Isla terrorists, where al Qaeda leader Abu Musab Zarqawi had trained disciples in the use of chemical and biological weapons. But this strike was more than just another [Tomahawk Land Attack Missile] bashing. Soon Special Forces and [Special Mission Unit] operators, leading Kurdish Peshmerga fighters, would be storming the camps, collecting evidence, taking prisoners, and killing all those who resisted."

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http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch2.htm
2.5 AL QAEDA'S RENEWAL IN AFGHANISTAN (1996-1998)
...
The Taliban seemed to open the doors to all who wanted to come to Afghanistan to train in the camps. The alliance with the Taliban provided al Qaeda a sanctuary in which to train and indoctrinate fighters and terrorists, import weapons, forge ties with other jihad groups and leaders, and plot and staff terrorist schemes. While Bin Ladin maintained his own al Qaeda guesthouses and camps for vetting and training recruits, he also provided support to and benefited from the broad infrastructure of such facilities in Afghanistan made available to the global network of Islamist movements. U.S. intelligence estimates put the total number of fighters who underwent instruction in Bin Ladin-supported camps in Afghanistan from 1996 through 9/11 at 10,000 to 20,000.

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http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/11/10/iraq.main/
The speaker claims his al Qaeda army has 12,000 soldiers -- with 10,000 more waiting in the wings to join them.
...

The estimate that there are currently less than 100 al-Qaeda in Iraq is my estimate based on the number of current al-Qaeda attacks in Iraq compared to what they were previously.
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/

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@cicerone imposter,

Please show proof that I am wrong. Also, show proof that Israel has killed more civilians than has the Pals. Regarding the latter, go beyond the war in Gaza.

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@Advocate,

Advocate, If there were any ethics in your bones, you would know that the casualty rates for Palestinians have always been higher than the Israelis.
Statistics on casualty rates in Israel in hard to come by because Israel controls most of the information coming out of Israel, and they don't keep body counts of Palestinians they have killed. They eve denied killing children during the recent Gaza conflict, but we have proof from other organizations that reported on the atrocities committed by Israel against Palestinian children.

Here's a stat (rare) from rememberthechildren.org.

Quote:

Last updated June 11, 2009

TOTALS SINCE SEPT 2000:
Israelis: 123

TOTALS FOR 2000:
Israelis: 0

TOTALS SINCE SEPT 2000:
Palestinians: 1435

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