ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

Advocate, You can't be that dense! Not all Palestinians are criminals; not all Jews are innocent from crime.
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Go thinking however that does not stop the blood from flowing of women and children when a bomb had gone off on a bus.

Somehow if your wife or daughter had been blown up or at great risk of being blown up that thinking would change.

Terrorists are not shop lifters or even someone who had riped of 99 billion dollars for that matter and the terrorist by some of your own statements had the support of a large percent of the poor palestinian poputlaion.

Nice courts rules are nice but they are completely worthless when you had such conditions.

In such situations and in fact in fact in far less situation the nice rules are thrown out for a time to maintain public order in the West.

When the good Palestinain people turn away from the bombers and the rocket launchers then and only then can they or you cry out about law.

Lord on it face the statement that out of millions not one Japanese American was disloyal or involved in espionage during WW2 is silly and would take an act of god to be true.

Not one Japanese American however was prosecuted for such crimes as the code breakers of the Magic system did not wish the Japanese government to had a clue that the code had been broken.

After the war given the crying about the large round up of them on the west coast, the government did not wish to open that can of worms and no one was prosecuted for such crimes.
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More than any other source of intelligence, it was the "MAGIC" messages -- Japan's diplomatic communications that were decoded by American signal intelligence officers -- that influenced top decision-makers within the Roosevelt administration.

Beginning in December 1940, with the possibility of war looming, a series of MAGIC messages revealed Japan's intent to establish an espionage network in the Western Hemisphere. Within months, West Coast consulates reported to Tokyo on their progress in setting up the spy network's surveillance of military posts and bases, shipyards, airfields and ports.

A message from Japan's Los Angeles consulate stated, "We have already established contacts with absolutely reliable Japanese in the San Pedro and San Diego area, who will keep a close watch on all shipments of airplanes and other war materials, and report the amounts and destinations of such shipments. The same steps have been taken with regard to traffic across the U.S.-Mexican border." The message also stated that the network had U.S.-born Japanese-American spies in the U.S. Army.

A message from Japan's Seattle consulate stated that Japanese spies were "securing intelligences concerning the concentration of warships with-in the Bremerton Naval Yard, information with regard to mercantile shipping and airplane manufacturer, movements of military forces, as well as that which concerns troop maneuvers." The same message said that Japanese consular officials had "made arrangements to collect intelligences from second generation Japanese draftees on matters dealing with the troops, as well as troop speech and behavior."

The most detailed MAGIC messages were those sent by Japan's Honolulu consulate. With increasing frequency leading up to December 1941, these messages provided meticulous reports on ship locations and movements within Pearl Harbor. Coupled with other information, the Honolulu-Tokyo messages were, as author James Gannon put it, "a smoking gun" signaling an impending attack on Oahu -- but due to decryption backlogs, courier delays, petty rivalries and bureaucratic bungling, not a single one of them reached Hawaii before Dec. 7.

The information sent by Honolulu consular officials was obtained by an espionage cell that included at least two ethnic Japanese local residents, one of whom was a U.S. citizen. The spy ring monitored ship movements, water currents and made note of military routines on installations and at airfields. Among the agents' observations: that no American warships were stationed off the west coast of Maui, so that attacking Japanese fighter-bombers could concentrate exclusively on Oahu; that the American battleships moored in pairs, so that the inshore ship could not be struck by a torpedo; that a large number of ships were always in the port on Saturdays and Sundays; and that the Americans conducted hardly any patrols at all north of Oahu. This information was critical to the planning of the Pearl Harbor raid.

Local law enforcement officials knew about the Honolulu spies, but before Pearl Harbor there was nothing they could do to stop them since observing ship movements from public locations was legal. On the day of the Pearl Harbor raid, the governor of Hawaii declared martial law. The writ of habeas corpus was suspended, and hundreds of ethnic Japanese considered potentially subversive, including the two ethnic Japanese who participated in the Honolulu espionage ring, were confined without trial -- an option that was unavailable to military and law enforcement officials on the mainland where civilian courts were still operative.

Years later, after the MAGIC cables were declassified, the architect of the West Coast evacuation, Assistant Secretary of War John McCloy, stated that MAGIC was instrumental in shaping the administration's homeland security policies. President Roosevelt himself was an avid reader of the MAGIC messages. Yet virtually every popular account of the ethnic Japanese experience during World War II has ignored MAGIC and its vital importance. Leading high school textbooks condemn evacuation, relocation and internment as shameful injustices -- without informing students of the vast amount of communications intelligence that informed FDR's decisions.

The effort by Japanese-American activists and their media allies to minimize the importance of the intelligence that supported President Roosevelt's wartime decisions amounts to educational malpractice. In order to fairly judge present homeland security measures, all Americans -- especially our students -- deserve an accurate account of the past.

Bill, All innuendos with not facts to prove them. The commission on wartime relocation found no such finding of espionage by Japanese Americans. They concluded it was war-time hysteria and the failure of our government; nothing more, nothing less.

Since when does our government not prosecute war time crimes? Show me any with reliable, credible, evidence? Why is it that our government prosecuted Italian and German spies and not Japanese Americans? Do you understand anything about logic or the laws?

It's really comical that you would post anything from the Star Bulletin that rewrites history. Asian discrimination on the west coast was over a quarter century old before WWII, and racial bigotry was rampant. I was there. You just don't know your history, but try to get hold of some Hearst newspaper clippings from that period.

You wouldn't know the difference between an apple and orange with your kind of bigoted ideas. Provide some government documents, not some racially bigoted writer who tries to rewrite history.

Rather than spread bull **** about Japanese Americans during WWII, many served in the Pacific in intelligence, and saved thousands of American lives.

http://www.pbs.org/thewar/at_war_democracy_japanese_american.htm

Here's another link about WWII and the Japanese Americans - and their loyalty to our country. http://www.history.army.mil/html/topics/apam/Nisei.htm

From the University of Connecticut:

Approximately 120,000 Japanese American men, women and children in the states of California, Oregon and Washington were rounded up. Without specific charges or hearings, the government herded them out to the remotest parts of Utah, California, Arizona, Wyoming and Arkansas, where they lived in barracks (with little privacy) surrounded by barbed wire and watched over by armed sentry guards.

The Census of that period showed that two-thirds of the Japanese Americans living here were born in the United States. The other third were legally admitted aliens without citizenship; the immigration laws of that time did not allow immigrants born in Japan to become citizens regardless of how long they had been living in the US.

The majority of the Japanese American population lived along the West Coast. And it was there that anti-Japanese sentiment was particularly abusive. The Issei, the first Japanese immigrants to arrive in the US, and the Nisei, the second generation born in this country, were hardworking, diligent and independent - virtues usually attributed to good American citizenship.

But many in the general population, particularly those who resented the success of Japanese Americans, looked upon them with suspicion and apprehension. After the attack on Pearl Harbor, anti-Japanese prejudices were openly ventilated. The state of California joined the hysteria and refused to allow Japanese Americans to practice law or medicine.

General DeWitt's reports of Japanese Americans' disloyalty were, however, being disputed. FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover sent a secret six-page memo to Attorney General Francis Biddle in which he ridiculed General DeWitt's conclusions. Hoover said, "Every complaint in this regard has been investigated, but in no case has any information been obtained which would substantiate the allegation."

Nevertheless, the government convinced the US Supreme Court that the Japanese Americans were security risks, and so it was a military necessity to round them up and incarcerate them. The Justice Department attorneys were aware that General DeWitt's allegations were "in conflict with information in possession of the Department of Justice."

But this information was suppressed and not made available to the Supreme Court as it deliberated about the constitutionality of the government's actions. Thus, the government asked for Supreme Court approval at the same time the Justice Department withheld documents that proved there was no evidence to support the government's case.

Lawyers for those who challenged the evacuation and internment (Gordon Hirabayashi, Min Yasui and Fred Korematsu) argued "that the mass evacuation of all persons of Japanese ancestry amounted to a racial classification that violated the constitutional guarantee of equal protection of the laws."

The War Department's claim of disloyalty and espionage was presented to the Court as the single most important part of the government's legal brief. And the Supreme Court had no knowledge of the suppressed evidence that would have seriously undermined the credibility of the government's case in chief.

In justifying its decision, the Court reiterated false stereotypes about Japanese Americans and ignored the constitutional guarantees of due process, equal protection, and the individual right not to be deprived of life, liberty or property except upon conviction of an individual's own wrongdoing - not the wrongdoing of others or of a group. Regretfully, the judicial system failed in its constitutional responsibility. No Japanese American was ever charged with espionage or treason.

World War Two's 442nd Regimental Combat Team, an exclusively Japanese American unit, was the most decorated in US military history and participated in the liberation of European concentration camps, ironically while family members languished in concentration camps back in the United States.

On December 17, 1944, the Western Defense Command then under General Henry C. Pratt, rescinded the exclusion and detention orders. Japanese Americans were free to return to their homes on the West Coast effective January 1945.

The return of Japanese Americans to their homes in California, Oregon and Washington was marked by vigilante violence and the agitation of pressure groups to keep them out permanently. When news of hostility reached those still remaining in the camps, they became reluctant about returning home. The Pacific War ended in August 1945, but the last of the mass internment camp did not close until October 1946, and the very last of the "special security risks" internment camp did not close until 1952.

In 1988 the US government enacted the Civil Liberties Act, after hearings were held and the Commission on Wartime Relocation and Internment of Civilians issued its report declaring that there was no military necessity and recommending a public apology and monetary restitution. By that time, about half of the 120,000 internees had already passed away.

On the other hand, there is evidence our country had Jewish spies:
http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/spieslink.htm

And who can forget the Rosenbergs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_and_Ethel_Rosenberg

Some of the antipathy toward the Japanese might have been connected to their really bestial actions during the war by the Japanese military. For instance, word was out about the rape of Nanking, in which Japanese soldiers raped and murdered, killing men, women, and children for no reason. There was also information out about the Japanese-conducted death march for US and other prisoners in the Philipines.

Advocate, Why are you bringing up what Japan did? It's the country of my ancestors, but we're Americans by birth. We're talking about Japanese Americans, not Japanese of Japan. Believe it or not, America is my country by birth and residence. Our grandfather came to this country in 1893; our family is probably more American than many who now consider themselves American.

If you really want to look into history, you should look into all cultures and religions.

Your ignorance shows up again.

Advocate, I have not defended Japan on anything they have done in their past or present, so why are you bringing up the Japanese of Japan? They have no relationship to me as a citizen or participant in their local culture. As a matter of fact, I have been very critical about their outright discrimination even against their own people based on class, but especially against the other minorities that live in their country.

On the other hand, you are a defender of Israel and their policies. That's a big difference between you and me.

You should not complain about my bringing up Japanese attrocities. It was so cute how you gratuitiously brought in Jewish spies. Do you remember the Japanese spy at Pearl Harbor? I am sure there were others.

Since you're at that: you certainly know about Jonathan Pollard?

They were American spies of Jewish ancestry. Big difference whether you can acknowledge that or not!

You keep saying "Japanese" spy as if you have evidence for it; please show us the evidence from any US government or other reliable source. Don't forget, we are asking about Japanese Americans.

Why would my thinking change? I have traveled to Israel and many other countries where they have had bombings. As a matter of fact, my friends and I visited Israel just several months after their war with Lebanon.

Using your great imagination that my wife and daughter would be bombed is stupid and ignorant. If that should ever happen in the US, there is nothing I can do about it. It's up to our federal government to keep us safe in our own country; I don't spend time worrying about such foolishness.

BTW, do you look under your bed before you go to sleep every night? LOL

If you think Israel has it bad, you should learn a little about Iraq where we went in to "help" them. After six years of our invasion, they still have suicide bombers that kills many more innocent people.

Anecdotal information means nothing, and you know it.

We dont care if you were there or not, that isnt important to the discussion.

Sure it is! Otherwise, I'd have the same ignorant view points as you!

Ha. You could not resist to add that; could you?

Well I guess the magic war time transcripts that were released are just immuendos?

Dream on that millions of first and second generation of Japanese Americans not one would help the old mother country.

I know to be PC you got to shut down your intellect but come on now there such be a limit even to that.

You know you lack logic completely in that the overwhelming bulk of the Japanese population was indeed loyal to the US is without question here by anyone.

But that is not good enough for you you have to claim against all logic and even magic transcripts that not 99.99 percent but 100 percent happen to be loyal.

Or that somehow stating a fact that there was a few disloyal people in that population somehow is attacking that whole population!!!!