ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

mm wrote:

Gee, was that an epiphany? Hamas also knows they are mostly harmless, but that's the only tool they have against the big bad giant IDF.

IDF have killed and targeted innocent children. Israel knows their weapons are deadly.

I wonder when that will register in your brain?

From Reuters:


See how the Israeli government works? None of their consuls can speak their minds freely about US-Israeli relations if they are negative in any way..

So much for the "freedom of speech."

Israel is a separate country from Arab Palestine--alias Gaza, et cetera-- that is governed by a separate government from the government of Arab Palestine. The government of Arab Palestine is responsible for the rockets fired from Arab Palestine into Israel. The government of Israel is responsible for the rockets fired from Israel into Arab Palestine. Whenever rockets are fired from Arab Palestine into Israel, Israel retaliates by firing rockets into Arab Palestine neighborhoods from whence the rockets from Arab Palestine were fired.

The government of Arab Palestine is responsible for all the deaths caused by this exchange of rockets. Whenever rockets stop being fired from Arab Palestine into Israel, the government of Israel stops firing rockets into Arab Palestine.

CI says:

Re: cicerone imposter (Post 3728689)
From Reuters:
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Israel summons U.S. envoy over settlement dispute
Reuters

By Allyn Fisher-Ilan Allyn Fisher-ilan " 1 hr 23 mins ago

JERUSALEM (Reuters) " Israel summoned one of its diplomats from the United States on Sunday after he circulated a memorandum accusing Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's government of doing "strategic damage" to ties with Washington.

Israel's Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon said a disciplinary measure was being taken with the Israeli consul in Boston, Nadav Tamir, after publication last week of his "very regrettable" memorandum.

Tamir's criticism appeared in a brief intended for internal circulation and was leaked in a Thursday newscast by Israel's Channel 10 television, which quoted him as saying differences with Washington over Jewish settlements had hurt relations.

The settlement issue has opened a rift between Israel and its main ally, with Netanyahu resisting President Barack Obama's calls to freeze the expansion of enclaves Israel has built in territory it captured in a 1967 war.

See how the Israeli government works? None of their consuls can speak their minds freely about US-Israeli relations if they are negative in any way..

So much for the "freedom of speech."


This is so incredibly stupid. No diplomat has the right to freely criticize the country's leader or directives.

You know that the Japanese-American community has prospered because it has excelled educationally, so it was able to achieve a valued function in American society, regardless of earlier prejudice against it. Why do you give the Palestineans a free pass to be obstreperous, rather than prove to the powers that be that they can be a value/ally? Do you see the dichotomy, between your awareness of the paradigm of achievement of the Japanese-American community, and the willingness to accept the obstreperousness of a segment of the Palestinean community? If you do see the dichotomy, then the only successful paradigm has been the Japanese-American paradigm of achieving a valued function in society, rather than be adversarial. In effect, in my opinion, you might want to reconsider your position, since it may be losing advice to the Palestineans.

Big difference, oh wise one. The Palestinians do not have the freedom to move from one place to another in their own country, and are pretty much restricted to staying in their prisons. Any culture that is held back like the Palestinians of Israel will also lack opportunities in education and jobs.

Fortunately for us in the US of A, we were given the "freedom" to move to any state or locale we chose, and were able to attend almost any institute of higher learning. No restrictions, nada, zero; freedom!

The Palestinians of Arab Palestine do not have the freedom to move from Arab Palestine to Israel. Whereas, the Palestinians of Israel Palestine are free to move about Israel.

Any culture that is held back like the Palestinians of Arab Palestine will also lack opportunities in education and jobs. The Palestinians of Arab Palestine may some day come to the realization that they are doomed to be held back by the Israelis until they recognize Israel's right to exist in Palestine, and stop trying to conquer Israel.

The Japanese in the US A were given the "freedom" to move to any state or locale they chose, and were able to attend almost any institute of higher learning they chose. No restrictions--nada, zero--on their freedom! I bet that was because the Japanese in America did not try to conquer the USA.

YOu haven't the slightest idea what you are talking about. Go find another thread where you might have some understanding of the subject.

Correspondents Report with Elizabeth Jackson


In Correspondents Report, the ABC's overseas reporters give their interpretation and analysis of the week's major events.
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Life with checkpoints in Israel

Anne Barker reported this story on Sunday, July 26, 2009 08:16:00

EDMOND ROY: Israel says its system of checkpoints set up in response to the second intifada has brought a massive drop in terror attacks.

So much so, in recent months it's begun dismantling many roadblocks and checkpoints to ease movement for Palestinians inside the West Bank.

My comment: This is the good news, but it was much worse before this.

But border crossings between the West Bank and Israel are unchanged, and every day thousands of Palestinians wait hours to pass through checkpoints just to get to work or school.

Our Middle East correspondent Anne Barker visited one of the biggest checkpoints and filed this report.

ANNE BARKER: It's six o'clock in the morning and already there's a huge queue. Palestinians in their hundreds are lining up at Kalandia checkpoint waiting to get into East Jerusalem.

It's always the same routine - men, women and children stand in a long caged line that takes them through a turnstile, past the guards and out the other side.

Many have jobs in Jerusalem and a blue identity card that gives them the right to work and live in Israel.

If the lovely habit of suicide bombings was not so common in the middle east perhaps there would not be such a need for the fences and walls!

How many of your citizens would you allow to be blown up as they try to go about their everyday concerns before you start building walls and check points?

If Mexicans was crossing the border not to seek employment but to blow US citizens up in an effort to regain the South West I can just pictures the machine guns and razor wire and anything else that would be needed to keep them out on our border.

Sorry these fools and their behaviors is the reason for the cement and barbed wired fences.

Yes, but what you are missing is that most of those rockets are harmless, but the weapons used against the Palestinians are always deadly.
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So? In fact so what as all they would need to do to stop the deadly attacks is to stop firing rockets over the border.

Checkpoints in Israel exist to protect the populace from terrorists--both Jews and Arabs. They do not prevent Israeli Jews and Israeli Arabs from being free to move about Israel.

We have terrorists in the US; why don't we have checkpoints here with armed guards?

That's not an excellent question; it's a stupid question. Mexico, Canada and the US are separate countries with borders. Israel is one country that treats its citizens unequally. They have put most Palestinians into prison-like communities with cement and barbed wired fences. They are not a "separate" country; they are all citizens of Israel.
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You do know that we took the whole south west away from them and even seize Mexico city in 1840s and force them once more to adjust the border in our favor?

You're talking about apples and oranges here; we are discussing cement and barbed wired fences in the world of today. Israel declares itself a democracy, but if you understand the definition (which you don't), Israel is an apartheid state.

If they were more accurate, would you then say Israel was right to retaliate?
Would you like another country to help make them more accurate?
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How deadly they are in beside the point please name me one country in the world that would allow some groups with rockets to fire them over their border without replying in a very very big way.

No foreign group have the right to enter another country citizens in a death lottery and any country government that would not react to this threat would be overthrown.

I love the fools that think it is not big deal because they are not that deadly. Bet if it was their families and children under threat they would be singing another tune.

Big difference, oh wise one. The Palestinians do not have the freedom to move from one place to another in their own country, and are pretty much restricted to staying in their prisons. Any culture that is held back like the Palestinians of Israel will also lack opportunities in education and jobs.
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And all the suicide bombings just might had a little to do with their lack of freedom of movement?

We have terrorists in the US; why don't we have checkpoints here with armed guards?
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And if the problem of suicide bombing became as common in the US as the middle east you do not think we would had checkpoints and armed guards?

You're talking about apples and oranges here; we are discussing cement and barbed wired fences in the world of today. Israel declares itself a democracy, but if you understand the definition (which you don't), Israel is an apartheid state.
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So they should allow their citizens to be kill on the streets and the shopping centers to make you happy?

YOu have it backwards, padre. When a group is not allowed to live with equality in their own country, and their opportunities for education and jobs disappear, they're not left with much hope for a good life.

Some take desperate measure to show their displeasure at how they are treated, but the way Israel treats all Palestinians is not ethical or fair. In a real democracy, you are presumed innocent until found guilty of a crime. You can't treat all the minorities as if they are all terrorists. If you do, you will get your wishes in the long term, because they have nothing to lose.