ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

ican, How stupid are you? If I say you're an idiot, I must provide proof, but I repeat myself! You show it on a2k every day.

You and okie must have graduated from the same school.

Cice, it's actually up to you to produce the evidence that those articles you posted are correct. Until then, they are false. I'm not the one alleging they are true. I don't believe them. You must produce evidence they are true. Just saying they are true doesn't work in logic or common sense debate.

Get to work! Start by supplying us the links to those articles.

This post is the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and intoning very loudly, "Lalalalala!"

And about as sensible.

ican believes he can refute anything by just saying it's false, and he doesn't have to show proof for it being false. Just makes me wonder where they graduated from school. It's not only child-like, but more ignorant for an adult to think they can claim something is false by not providing any evidence. I also wonder how he gets along with any of his family or friends; he posits bull **** and doesn't feel he needs to prove himself.

Cice, it's actually up to you to produce the evidence that those articles you posted are true. Until you do that, there is little if any reason for me to believe those articles are true.. I'm not the one alleging they are true--or false. You are the one alleging those articles are true. You must produce evidence they are true. Just saying they are true doesn't work in logic or common sense debate.

You are the one so far who is saying those articles are true just because you say they are true.

Get to work! Give us some evidence those articles are true. Start by supplying us the links to those articles, so we can read the entire articles.

So far, cice "posits bull **** and doesn't feel he needs to prove himself."

So far, Cice cannot provide a rational argument to support what he claims is true. "It's not only child-like, but more ignorant for an adult to think they can claim something is [true] by not providing any evidence" that it is true.

This is funny.
Another example of you refusing to abide by the standards you want to hold others to.
If you make a statement or post something you claim is fact, you are required to post evidence.
You have demanded that of others, now you refuse to abide by your own rules, once again.

mm, You're becoming a troll; get lost from my face. I'm putting you on Ignore.

And I can produce a report that says the US used nuclear weapons in Vietnam on a par with Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

Does that mean its true?
ANYTHING can be fabricated, if someone really wants to.

Ehem, the use of those firebombs wasn't denied by Israel.

You think, mm, the Israelian government was lying about it?

No,I dont think the govt was lying, but that wasnt my point.

My point was that if you want to denigrate, attack, or otherwise make a person or a govt look bad, it is easy to fabricate reports.
The Govt of every country does it all the time, when they are trying to make another country or person look bad.

Im not saying that is the case here, but when a person or group constantly attacks anything someone they disagree with does, I do tend to take reports with a grain of salt.

Give us some evidence those articles in your two July 28, 2009 posts--cicerone imposter: Post: # 3,717,500; and cicerone imposter: Post: # 3,717,504--are true.

I have repeatedly asked you to start by supplying us the links to those articles, so we can read those entire articles.

You say this because you act just like C. I., making baseless assertions. I don't recall that, like C. I., you tell people to prove you are wrong.

Israel admitted that its army had "used munitions containing white phosphorous" in Gaza, but denied violating international law, saying it had not fired such weapons inside populated areas.

I don't think this has been factually contradicted.

Israel admits white phosphorus use
31 July 2009 | Posted in Palestine


Israel has admitted to using white phosphorus during its war on the Gaza Strip earlier this year, but says it did so in accordance with international law.

The admission came in a 163-page document published by the Israeli foreign ministry on Thursday ahead of a UN report next week.

The Israeli army “used munitions containing white phosphorus” in Gaza, the document said, but it denied violating international law, saying it had not fired such weapons inside populated areas.

Al Jazeera’s Sherine Tadros, reporting from Jerusalem, said the Israeli army had initially denied using white phosphorus, a chemical agent that causes severe burns.

“During the war, when we first started seeing the white phosphorous, the Israeli army said that everything it was using was in compliance with international law; it would not tell us whether or not it was using it,” she said.

“As the campaign went on, it became very obvious [on television] that it was being used and the Israeli army, as well as government spokesmen, told us that it was being used,” our correspondent said.

“The caveat that the Israeli army pressed on was that it was being used within the rules of war; that meant it was not being used amid a civilian population and that it was being used to provide a smokescreen legitimately, as opposed to illegitimately.”

International law permits the use of white phosphorus as an “obscurant” to cover troop movements and prevent enemies from using certain guided weapons.

The Israeli government report follows charges from the UN and human rights groups that Israeli forces committed war crimes and violated international law during the operation.

UN officials have also said that they have evidence that white phosphorus was used in an attack on the UN relief agency’s main building in Gaza that left three people injured.

But the government defended its military campaign as a “necessary and proportionate” response to Hamas rocket fire at Israel.

“Israel had both a right and an obligation to take military action against Hamas in Gaza to stop Hamas’ almost incessant rocket and mortar attacks,” it said.

I think Israel would love to live in peace, but hasn't been allowed to by it's neighbors. They've certainly born a heavy burden in attacks by both neighbor nations and terrorists -- probably more so than any other nation in the world.
As peaceful as I think they would like to be, WWII put an end to any "turn the other cheek" sentiments. They will no longer allow themselves to be attacked and killed without a fight.

You are correct, and the PM just stated that Israel is finished with unilateral peace overtures, and turning its cheek to the incessant Pal attacks.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1248277950920&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Why "turn the other cheek" when Israel/Jews continue to expand the settlements on land stolen from the Palestinians.

What nonsense!

Cice, Israel steals land given to the Palestinian Arabs by the UN, in return for the Palestinian Arabs stealing life from the Israelis given to them by birth.

Israel's time for attacking Iran's nuclear facilities is limited.




It's crunch time for Israel on Iran: After years of failed diplomacy no one will be able to call an attack precipitous

By John Bolton, Wall Street Journal, July 28, 2009

Legions of senior American officials have descended on Jerusalem recently, but the most important of them has been Defense Secretary Robert Gates. His central objective was to dissuade Israel from carrying out military strikes against Iran's nuclear weapons facilities. Under the guise of counseling "patience," Mr. Gates again conveyed President Barack Obama's emphatic thumbs down on military force.

The public outcome of Mr. Gates's visit appeared polite but inconclusive. Yet Iran's progress with nuclear weapons and air defenses means Israel's military option is declining over time. It will have to make a decision soon, and it will be no surprise if Israel strikes by year's end. Israel's choice could determine whether Iran obtains nuclear weapons in the foreseeable future.

Mr. Obama's approach to Tehran has been his "open hand," yet his gesture has not only been ignored by Iran but deemed irrelevant as the country looks inward to resolve the aftermath of its fraudulent election. The hardliner "winner" of that election, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, was recently forced to fire a deputy who once said something vaguely soothing about Israel. Clearly, negotiations with the White House are not exactly topping the Iranian agenda.

Beyond that, Mr. Obama's negotiation strategy faces insuperable time pressure. French President Nicolas Sarkozy proclaimed that Iran must re-start negotiations with the West by September's G-20 summit. But this means little when, with each passing day, Iran's nuclear and ballistic missile laboratories, production facilities and military bases are all churning. Israel is focused on these facts, not the illusion of "tough" diplomacy.

Israel rejects another feature of Mr. Obama's diplomatic stance. The Israelis do not believe that progress with the Palestinians will facilitate a deal on Iran's nuclear weapons program. Though Mr. Gates and others have pressed this fanciful analysis, Israel will not be moved.

Worse, Mr. Obama has no new strategic thinking on Iran. He vaguely promises to offer the country the carrot of diplomacy"followed by an empty threat of sanctions down the road if Iran does not comply with the U.S.'s requests. This is precisely the European Union's approach, which has failed for over six years.

There's no reason Iran would suddenly now bow to Mr. Obama's diplomatic efforts, especially after its embarrassing election in June. So with diplomacy out the door, how will Iran be tamed?

Mr. Gates' mission had extraordinary significance. Israel sees the political and military landscape in a very inauspicious light. It also worries that, once ensnared in negotiations, the Obama administration will find it very hard to extricate itself. The Israelis are probably right. To prove the success of his "open hand," Mr. Obama will declare victory for "diplomacy" even if it means little to no gains on Iran's nuclear program.

Under the worst-case scenario, Iran will continue improving its nuclear facilities and Mr. Obama will become the first U.S. president to tie the issue of Israel's nuclear capabilities into negotiations about Iran's.

Israel understands that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's recent commitment to extend the U.S. "defense umbrella" to Israel is not a guarantee of nuclear retaliation, and that it is wholly insufficient to deter Iran from obliterating Israel if it so decides. In fact, Mrs. Clinton's comment tacitly concedes that Iran will acquire nuclear weapons, exactly the wrong message. Since Israel, like the U.S., is well aware its missile defense system is imperfect, whatever Mr. Gates said about the "defense umbrella" will be politely ignored.

Relations between the U.S. and Israel are more strained now than at any time since the 1956 Suez Canal crisis. Mr. Gates's message for Israel not to act on Iran, and the U.S. pressure he brought to bear, highlight the weight of Israel's lonely burden.
Striking Iran's nuclear program will not be precipitous or poorly thought out. Israel's attack, if it happens, will have followed enormously difficult deliberation over terrible imponderables, and years of patiently waiting on innumerable failed diplomatic efforts. Absent Israeli action, prepare for a nuclear Iran.

Tuesday, August 4, 2009

Hamas imposes Islamic dress code for women civil servants

GAZA CITY " Hamas has ordered that women in government institutions conform to an Islamic dress code.


Palestinian sources said the Hamas regime has decided that women in civil service would require Islamic dress. The sources said the decision would include Islamic robes and veils for women attorneys in courts in the Gaza Strip.
On July 9, Hamas Chief Justice Abdul Raouf Al Halabi ordered women attorneys to wear robes and veils. Al Halabi said his directive would take effect on Sept. 1.

"We will not allow people to corrupt morals," Al Halabi said.



The sources said the directive marked the latest development in a Hamas campaign to impose Islamic observance on the Gaza Strip. They said the campaign was launched by the Islamic Affairs Ministry amid the emergence of Al Qaida-aligned and militias, which have accused Hamas of tolerating Christian worship, Internet and mixed dancing, regarded as influences from the West.

"We have to encourage people to be virtuous and keep them away from sin," Hamas Deputy Islamic Affairs Minister Abdullah Abu Jarbou said.

Under the latest decision, male attorneys would be required to wear a uniform in court that consists of a robe, dark suit, white shirt and black tie. Female counterparts would also wear a robe and a scarf.

"This decision constitutes a violation of the law and an unjustified intervention into lawyers' affairs," the Palestinian Center for Human Rights said. "It also undermines personal freedoms and women's rights through forcing female lawyers to wear traditional robes."

Hamas has acknowledged that the regime was conducting what officials termed a "culture of resistance." Officials said the policy was meant to sustain any Palestinian conflict with Israel regardless of economic or political hardship.

"We are not terrorists but resistance fighters, and we want to explain our reality to the outside world," Hamas Culture Minister Osama Alisawi said along the sidelines of a conference on the culture of resistance.

The Palestinian Center for Human Rights said the Hamas directive violates the Palestinian Basic Law of 2003. The human rights group said the order "constitutes a form of discrimination against women and undermines personal freedoms ensured by the constitution."

"Imposing a special uniform on female and male lawyers in the Gaza Strip reinforces the state of fragmentation, which means that two kinds of clothing for lawyers, one in the West Bank and the other one in Gaza, even though the unification of the Bar Association in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip has been an important national achievement in the past years," the center said.

--worldtribune.com