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ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

 
 
McTag
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2009 12:39 am
@genoves,

Genoves, you need to get more sleep and cool your fevered brain. You're overheating again.
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genoves
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2009 12:40 am
Here is a tally of the rockets shot by the Palestinian fanatics who LOVE PEACE--they say---

Rockets and Mortars Launched from Gaza Jan-Dec '08 [6] Type Jan Feb Mar Apr May June Jul Aug Sept Oct Nov Dec
Rockets 136 228 103 373 206 158 4 8 1 1 125 361
Mortar 241 257 196 145 149 87 8 3 3 1 68 241
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2009 11:30 am

ESHKENAZI: Why Israel is not an apartheid state
By Yona Eshkenazi
Published December 17, 2008 at 12:01 a.m.

Like Ida Audeh (Opinion Dec. 6th), I attended the Nov. 17th talk at CU Boulder where two guest lecturers, one of whom was a former legal adviser to the PLO, accused Israel of apartheid. The audience was justifiably disturbed by this false claim, but Audeh misrepresented their reaction. No one “embraced” colonialism or apartheid. The only religion “trashed” was Judaism, which one lecturer claimed provided the “theological basis of an Israeli ideology of superiority” " an old anti-Semitic canard.

Like many in the current campaign to vilify Israel as an apartheid state, Audeh can do so only by misrepresenting reality and citing unreliable sources. As South African Minister of Home Affairs Chief Mangosuthu Buthelezi declared during a visit to Israel in 2003, “The Israeli regime is not apartheid. It is a unique case of democracy.” Apartheid was a legal system that enforced discrimination, segregation and oppression based on skin color. Israel is the opposite. Its legal system enforces equal civil and political rights for all citizens regardless of religion, race, ethnicity, gender or sexual orientation.

Israelis are a vibrant multiracial, multi-ethnic mix of people from all over the world, and the 20 percent non-Jewish minority enjoys the same freedoms and protections. Gays, Christians, Congolese and Sudanese fleeing from persecution have received refuge in Israel. It is the only Middle Eastern country where the Christian population is thriving. Israeli-Arabs have a higher standard of living, education, and civil and political liberties than average citizens living in any other Middle Eastern country. Even Jimmy Carter had to admit, “There is nothing in Israel resembling apartheid.” Israel is hardly perfect, but its legal principles and goals are precisely those articulated by the ANC when it fought apartheid.

Similarly, Audeh and the lecturers misrepresent Israel’s relationship with the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza. They are not Israeli citizens. They want their own state, not Israeli citizenship. Unfortunately, Palestinian leaders rejected Israel’s compromise offer at Camp David in 2000, refused to continue negotiating, and launched a terrorist war against Israel. Audeh belittles Israel’s security concerns, but all Israelis " Muslim, Christian, Jew and Druze " were horrified by the savagery of suicide bombings targeting children, women and men. Between 2000 and 2003, there were 20,000 terrorist acts. Nine hundred and sixty Israelis were killed; more than 5,000 wounded. Over 80 percent were civilians versus 36 percent civilian Palestinian casualties.

Israelis expected their government to protect them. The government finally began building the security barrier (what Audeh calls a “monstrous wall,” though it is 97 percent chain-link fence) as a passive means of self-defense. No natural or man-made barrier had separated Israelis from terrorists who simply walked the short distance from the West Bank into Israeli communities. Like the separation barriers of other countries, from Britain in Belfast to Spain around its cities in Morocco, to the U.S. on its Mexican border, this barrier is an inconvenience. But it does not separate people by color or ethnicity. It separates terrorists like Hamas, whose charter calls for the “obliteration” of Israel and the murder of Jews, from their targets " Israeli civilians. Since the barrier was built, Israeli casualties have dropped over 90 percent. The barrier would not have been built if there had not been constant terrorism. It can be moved or removed when peaceful relations resume.

In a follow-up comment, Audeh inadvertently reveals that some of the “facts” she cites are taken directly from a September 2008 Al-Jazeera article by another author. Specifically, she uses the words of a man affiliated with a propagandistic anti-Semitic website, the Crescent and Cross Solidarity Movement. The gleaning of information from one whose beliefs loudly echo the Czarist forgery, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, detracts from Audeh’s credibility and suggests that her desire to impugn Israel may be greater than her interest in pursuing the truth.

The great tragedy is that these false claims against Israel do not help Palestinians get out from under extremist groups like Hamas. They do not bring Israeli-Palestinian peace any closer. And, ironically, while crusading against an apartheid system in Israel that exists only in their imaginations, they have ignored the gender, religious, gender-orientation, and racial apartheid that exist today in the Middle Eastern countries surrounding Israel, from Saudi Arabia to Iran. If these activists directed their fervor to fighting the apartheid that does exist, then we could all look forward to a future where humanitarian values did prevail.

--rockymountainnews.com
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2009 02:40 pm
@Advocate,
From Advocate's article:
Quote:
The great tragedy is that these false claims against Israel do not help Palestinians get out from under extremist groups like Hamas.


geezuz krista! Now, Yuna Ashkenazi - Israel is blaming Hamas for how they treat all Palestinians. Where's the logic? Apartheid fences aren't really what they seem to be, but Confucius say a picture worth a thousand words.

Naziism in Israel is alive and well!
Advocate
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2009 03:30 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Does the USA have an apartheid fence? I'm sure that many of our Southern neighbors are put out about it, as limited as it is. Once again, an independent country (Israel) may have a fence on its borders. Interestingly, attacks on Israel went down 90 % since installation of the fence.
McTag
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2009 03:35 pm
@Advocate,

Plenty of gated communities, of course.

But the Israeli one cuts across Palestinian properties, which is a different concept for a "boundary fence".
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2009 04:35 pm
@Advocate,
You are getting a bit ridiculous with your comparisons between fences in Israel and the US. Israel's fences are also supported by watch towers and military with guns.

Your usual intelligence about most topics other than this one shows your complete and selective blindness and ignorance about the living conditions for the Palestinians in Israel.

A mystery about you I'll never understand.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2009 04:47 pm
@cicerone imposter,
This is the tourist card we received on our trip to Israel/Tel Aviv-Jaffa. What I'm trying to tell you is that I have visited Israel first hand, and have seen and observed the apartheid walls, the check points, the guards with guns, and the travel restrictions made on Palestinians.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/imposter222/img048.jpg
Foofie
 
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Reply Sun 31 May, 2009 05:53 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Your observations in Israel seem reminiscent of U.S. inner-city hostility towards "the man"? Perhaps, in domestic or foreign neighborhoods, with high crime rates, these police tactics are utilized?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 31 May, 2009 07:59 pm
@Foofie,
Police tactics are used all around the world, but not many are restricted inside cement and electric barbed wired fences with armed guards with check points.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 31 May, 2009 09:35 pm
@McTag,
There is no Palestinian country on which the fence might enroach.

Of course the Pal suicide bombers, rockets, and shells regularly cross the Israeli border.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 31 May, 2009 09:36 pm
@cicerone imposter,
The fence would never have been built had the Pals respected Israel's borders.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 31 May, 2009 10:55 pm
@Advocate,
You have your brain on backwards; it's the Israeli's who are stealing Palestinian lands without any compensation. I know you'll love to be a Palestinian in Israel.
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genoves
 
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Reply Sun 31 May, 2009 11:16 pm
Advocate wrote:

Re: cicerone imposter (Post 3664285)
The fence would never have been built had the Pals respected Israel's borders.
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genoves
 
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Reply Sun 31 May, 2009 11:17 pm
Foofie wrote:

Re: cicerone imposter (Post 3664290)
Your observations in Israel seem reminiscent of U.S. inner-city hostility towards "the man"? Perhaps, in domestic or foreign neighborhoods, with high crime rates, these police tactics are utilized?
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genoves
 
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Reply Sun 31 May, 2009 11:18 pm
1 Reply report Sat 30 May, 2009 03:30 pm Re: cicerone imposter (Post 3664210)
Does the USA have an apartheid fence? I'm sure that many of our Southern neighbors are put out about it, as limited as it is. Once again, an independent country (Israel) may have a fence on its borders. Interestingly, attacks on Israel went down 90 % since installation of the fence.
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genoves
 
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Reply Sun 31 May, 2009 11:19 pm
Here is a tally of the rockets shot by the Palestinian fanatics who LOVE PEACE--they say---

Rockets and Mortars Launched from Gaza Jan-Dec '08 [6] Type Jan Feb Mar Apr May June Jul Aug Sept Oct Nov Dec
Rockets 136 228 103 373 206 158 4 8 1 1 125 361
Mortar 241 257 196 145 149 87 8 3 3 1 68 241
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genoves
 
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Reply Sun 31 May, 2009 11:20 pm
Advocate quoted:

The great tragedy is that these false claims against Israel do not help Palestinians get out from under extremist groups like Hamas. They do not bring Israeli-Palestinian peace any closer. And, ironically, while crusading against an apartheid system in Israel that exists only in their imaginations, they have ignored the gender, religious, gender-orientation, and racial apartheid that exist today in the Middle Eastern countries surrounding Israel, from Saudi Arabia to Iran. If these activists directed their fervor to fighting the apartheid that does exist, then we could all look forward to a future where humanitarian values did prevail.

--rockymountainnews.com
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genoves
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jun, 2009 12:18 am
McTag wrote:

Re: genoves (Post 3663886)

Genoves, you need to get more sleep and cool your fevered brain. You're overheating again.

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You are egregiously in error, McTag! Even if I used only one fourth of my brain power, I would be able to rebut anything you posted.
genoves
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jun, 2009 12:19 am
Advocate wrote:

Re: cicerone imposter (Post 3663157)
You are too funny. Somehow the American media are ignorant of the true, and awful, nature of Israel, but that you are a true expert on it.

The media do not cover these awful things (e.g., apartheid nation), because they know these are false and unsupportable allegations.

I guess you will be finally satisfied when the Muslim terrorists finally manage to nuke Israel.

You, and your fellow Israel haters, are disgusting lying bastards
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