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The Palestinian Declaration of Independence[1] was an attempt to create a "Palestinian state" (see Proposals for a Palestinian state for other attempts). It was adopted by the Palestinian National Council, the legislative body of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), in Algiers on 15 November 1988. It unilaterally proclaimed the establishment of an independent state called the "State of Palestine" but at that time the PLO had no control of any territory. No de facto independent state has come into existence in the Palestinian territories since.

The declaration concerns the Palestine region, as defined by the British Mandate of Palestine, which includes the whole of Israel as well as the West Bank and the Gaza strip. It references the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine from 1947 (which also serves as the basis for Israel's declaration of independence) and "UN resolutions since 1947" in general.

It does not explicitly recognize the State of Israel. However, an acompanying document[2] that explicitly mentions UN Security Council Resolution 242 and Yasser Arafat's statements in Geneva a month later were accepted by the United States as sufficient to remove the ambiguities in the declaration.[citation needed] Based on these statements, the declaration can be interpreted to have recognized Israel in its pre-1967 boundaries.

Please cite your evidence that Palestine declared itself to be its own state in 1949 and 1988. And then explain that if it formed its own state, why wasn't a state formed? If it was done in 1949, why was it necessary to do it again in 1988? And why isn't there one now?

The All-Palestine government. In September 1948, partly as an Arab League move to limit the influence of Jordan over the Palestinian issue, a Palestinian government was declared in Gaza. The former mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, was appointed as president. On October 1, the All-Palestine government declared an independent Palestinian state in all of Palestine region with Jerusalem as its capital. This government was recognised by Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Yemen, but not by Jordan or any non-Arab country. However, it was little more than a facade under Egyptian control and had negligible influence or funding. Palestinians living in the Gaza Strip or Egypt were issued with All-Palestine passports until 1959, when Gamal Abdul Nasser, president of Egypt, annulled the All-Palestine government by decree.

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Article's topics: Danny Ayalon, Avigdor Lieberman, Two- State Solution, Binyamin Netanyahu, Barack Obama

Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman set out Sunday for his first diplomatic mission to Europe, heading for four of the more friendly capitals in a continent extremely skeptical of his intentions.
Deputy Foreign Minister Danny...

Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon.

Prior to his departure, Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon, who will also travel to Europe on Monday for separate meetings, told Bloomberg that Israel agreed that a comprehensive peace agreement with the Palestinians would entail a two-state solution.

"The government of Israel, because of our democratic tradition and because of the continuity principle, is going to abide by all previous commitments the former government took, including the acceptance of the road map to peace which will lead to a two-state solution," Ayalon said, referring to the internationally backed 2002 peace plan.

Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu has not publicly endorsed a Palestinian state, while Lieberman has already said he accepted the road map, though not the Annapolis process.

Well if you acknowledge that classical liberalism allows for defense of unalienable rights, then you should understand why both the USA and Israel have closed borders.

For the USA it is to prevent having social services completely overwhelmed to the detriment of everybody.

For Israel, it is a matter of their very survival.

We shouldn't need to explore that any further.

Foxfyre wrote:

For Israel, it is a matter of their very survival.

I'm not sure you have made that case. How would Israel's survival be threatened if it allowed anyone to move to the country, provided the individual who intends to move to that country has peaceful intentions?

Yes I am an advocate for Israel though I have no power other than whatever influence my one voice might have. What Have I said that offended you? It was not my intent. Do I have to be a Jew to think Israel is being unfairly criticized and condemned? Do you not see the point I am making about the West Bank? Is it an offensive thing to offer an opinion on how Israel might strengthen its position?

If Arabs can live in Israel, then Jews should be able to live in the West Bank.

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But, as we are talking about Israel, to me a Jew, you need not be concerned about how much compassion I can muster for a world that had little interest in how successful the Final Solution was only 60 years ago.

Your ignorance knows no limit. Your "we're a victim" sensibilities after over 60 years shows you'll never learn about humanity or humans.

Foofie, you're not special. You are human just like the rest of us. No more, no less.

Foxfyre wrote:

The US has defined and internationally recognized borders. Israel does not. It is impossible to even talk about controlling immigration until we know where Israel stops and Palestine begins.

I thought Palestine began where Jordan begins?

Perhaps you just sort of skipped over the several hundred pages of evidence that the Palestinian leadership has no intention of coexisting with or making peace with Israel? Did you miss that somehow? Did you miss the several postings from websites and manifestos of the PLO, Hezbollah, Hamas that pledges the destruction of Israel?

THIS is what I am discussing and the reality that Israel lives with every day. Until the pro-Palestinian group is willing to acknowledge and address THAT, there is no point in discussing open borders between the Palestinians and Israel.

If Arabs can live in Israel, then Jews should be able to live in the West Bank.

Foofie, You are so blind you would make such statement as

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If Arabs can live in Israel, then Jews should be able to live in the West Bank.

FreeDuck wrote:

Foofie, you're not special. You are human just like the rest of us. No more, no less.

But, with a different set of experiences that logic would dictate has molded my values. I am not standing in judgement of you; are you of me?

So how many more generations are Jews going to live this while they continue to treat Palestinians as second class citizens - in their own country even today?

How many more generations will Palestinians be victims of the Jews?

The US has defined and internationally recognized borders. Israel does not. It is impossible to even talk about controlling immigration until we know where Israel stops and Palestine begins.