ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

Israel needs the support of the free countries to exist.

The present State of Israel was set up in 1948 by European bureaucrats in a misguided and very short sighted attempt to appease and somehow compensate European Jews or Hitler's atrocities.Rather than return these Jews to the cities and villages they were disposessed from by the Nazis,and compensate them for their losses - European Governments had a better idea - lets just ship them all off to Palestine where we'll "expropiate" the land from the indigenous Palestinians and call it the new "Jewish Homeland"! The European politicians liked it and so apparently did the Jews but the only hitch in the scheme was that the native Palestinians,who weren't allowed to have any say in the plan, didn't like having their "Homeland" expropiated by unilateral and heavy-handed European "Decree".

Israeli politicians declare that Israel is a "Jewish State" and that its "right to exist" in Palestine is "legitimized" by the magical "Hocus Pocus of the Old Testament bible.In that case Christians and especially the world's 600 million Catholics also have a right to create "Homelands" in Palestine (entire State of Israel) as it is the land and birthplace of Jesus. (Incidentially Jesus was a Semetic ARAB, just like like the founders of Judaism were!!!!)

How well does International Law recognize the "Old Testament" or Bethlehem as the "birthplace of Jesus" as being a "legitimate claim" by any "religious group" on the "ownership" of the land of Palestine?

In North America the Native Indians in Canada and the U.S. have brought to court their legitimate "Land Claims" and they have won their cases in court on the basis that "they were here first"! The Palestinians can make the same legitimate claim - they were in Palestine and all the areas now claimed by Israel tens of thousands of years before there was a Jewish or Christian or Muslim religion.The claim of the Israeli Govt. to the land of Palestine by any standards of law is illegitimate.

Not only that but the Israeli govt. is bringing in "Caucasian" Jews from Russia;Europe and North America to settle on Palestinian land while at the same time they're forcing the indigenous "Semetic" Palestinians out and are bulldozing their homes!

Theres an easy solution to the Israel-Palestinian debate to determine who really "historically" belongs there.Lets have all the people of Israel and the West Bank etc. have a simple "blood test".From this it can easily be determined by "DNA" analysis who are the pure blooded (Semetic Arab) natives who are historically "indigenous" to that desert region and who are not!

K.Hawley



"It is impossible to calculate the moral mischief,if I may so express it,that mental lying has produced in Society.When a man has so corrupted and prostituted the chastity of his mind as to subscribe his professional belief to things he does not believe,he has prepared himself for the commission of every other crime!"
- Thomas Paine (The Age of Reason)

a bunch of nonsense

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Gingrich, regardless of what else he has said elsewhere, did say in the piece quoted earlier that "This is WW 3". That means what it means, not that we 'could end up there'. Perhaps he has tempered his claim since then, but it was this claim I addressed.

Second, in that original piece he did something really quite despicable. He described how using the language of 'this is WW 3' could be beneficial in the October elections by putting people in the position where they must operate or think within a false dilemma. Please re-read exactly what he said there. And please honestly consider what this is...the attempt to get the electorate to think illogically - for presumed vote gain.

Yes, this localized conflict could escalate. Many are concerned about this possibility. Some of us wish it won't happen but others are actively promoting escalation. They are pretty much the same voices who pushed for the Iraq project, most obviously and actively right now, Kristol and Woolsey.

If the administration follows this advice, then you've got your feared escalation.

There is a public relations value, too. Gingrich said that public opinion can change "the minute you use the language" of World War III. The message then, he said, is "'OK, if we're in the third world war, which side do you think should win?"....

Why does the world need such a hell-hole of a country, an apartheid-racist-war-mongering-Jewish theocracy?

In my opinion, Israel has no right to exist.

Ellinas wrote:

McGentrix wrote:

Israel has the capacity to make Lebanon a smoking crater. That they have not done so would lead me to believe they are making an effort to avoid hitting civilians.

As it looks like, Israel's "capacity" is substandard without the involvement of the American goverment.

It would be better for you if you try to analyze things and create an opinion of your own about the whole situation, free from the brainwashing American-Zionist media.

And Hizbollah would be far less equiped without the backing of Iran and Syria. Israel needs the support of the free countries to exist. Otherwise, the Muslim extremeists might be successful in wiping them out.

Freedom4Free, either you are a Muslim operative assigned to spread disinformation among the naive masses, or you are appallingly ignorant of world history.

Your posts indicate that you know nothing about the history of Israel, or the politics of that region today. Your "name" is an ironic joke. Israel must be defended because it is the one and only country in that region that does practice freedom and true democracy, and does not harbor terrorists eagerly trying to wipe out their next-door neighbor. Women are treated as equals, and people are not imprisoned (or worse!) for exercising normal, modern, Western-style civil rights.

Theocracy? Most Israelis are not even religious! It is the one glimmer of modern, Western thought in the entire region!

Israel is probably doomed due to the driving hatred of the Arabs surrounding it. Unfortunately, coupled with this unrelenting hatred is a penchant for slick propaganda, which you have obviously fallen for.

This tiny country wants nothing more than to live its life in peace, without terrorism. Every time it has made concessions to the neighboring countries and given back land that it took after Arab aggression (and it is ALWAYS started by the Arabs!) it has been rewarded for its decency and willingness to compromise by more aggression and terrorism.

Good grief, man, read the papers, and THINK about what you are reading!

Israel must be defended because it is the one and only country in that region that does practice freedom and true democracy

The key steps to ending the violence in Lebanon first requires recognizing that Hezbollah in its military form must be eliminated, that the 100-plus Iranian guard in southern Lebanon must be removed and that the allowing of the Syrian and Iranian dictatorships to supply, train and equip the terrorists must be stopped.

To do that, the United States should offer to help strengthen the Lebanese government so that it has the ability to re-establish itself in all of Lebanon and defeat the military wing of Hezbollah. We should encourage the Israelis to work with the Lebanese government to eliminate the thousands of missiles within its borders that threaten Israel. Finally, Iran and Syria must be forced to cease their support of Hezbollah and Hamas by the United States communicating to them such dire consequences that they could not sustain the relationships. And then we should be prepared, if necessary, to impose those consequences.

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The key steps to ending the violence in Lebanon first requires recognizing that Hezbollah in its military form must be eliminated, that the 100-plus Iranian guard in southern Lebanon must be removed and that the allowing of the Syrian and Iranian dictatorships to supply, train and equip the terrorists must be stopped.

To do that, the United States should offer to help strengthen the Lebanese government so that it has the ability to re-establish itself in all of Lebanon and defeat the military wing of Hezbollah. We should encourage the Israelis to work with the Lebanese government to eliminate the thousands of missiles within its borders that threaten Israel. Finally, Iran and Syria must be forced to cease their support of Hezbollah and Hamas by the United States communicating to them such dire consequences that they could not sustain the relationships. And then we should be prepared, if necessary, to impose those consequences.

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This is all a bit confusing:

- yesterday, Tony Blair said in Parliament: "Hezbollah is supported by Iran and Syria, by the former in weapons, weapons incidentally very similar, if not identical, to those used against British troops in Basra."

- today, however, the (UK) Department of Defence spokeperson confirmed that British troops in Basra came under fire from short-ramge rocket grenades and Russian Katyusha rockets.

Whom to believe?

If a member decided to post purely for the purpose of a backhanded ad hominem attack on another member, the member would at least find something legitimate to use for ammunition. I don't believe in my entire somewhat lengthy life that I have ever been nor have claimed to have been a Bible School teacher.