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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 25 Mar, 2009 12:30 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Those "many international organizations have condemned Israel for their mistreatment of Palestinians" are the same organizations that do not condemn the Palestinian Arabs for their mistreatment of Israelis.

The UN gave the Palestinian Arabs a part of Palestine which they could have organized as a self-governing state. They chose that plus allowing the criminals among them to repeatedly attack Israeli civilians with the goal of taking away from the Palestinian Jews what the UN gave the Palestinian Jews.

The Israelis are defending themselves against these sick hateful criminal Palestinian Arabs the way they are able and willing. The Israelis attack the criminal Palestinian Arabs in the neighborhoods from which these Arabs fire rockets into Israel. The Israelis attack the criminal Palestinian Arabs in the neighborhoods from which these Arabs launch terrorist attacks on the ground. Consequently, many non-criminal Palestinian Arabs are killed in those neighborhoods.

The Palestinian Arabs can try to solve this problem themselves. They can try to arrest those criminals among them who are attacking Israel. However, that effort too will also inevitably result in the killing of non-criminals among them.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 25 Mar, 2009 01:37 pm
@ican711nm,
Evenmoreso when the criminals are intentionally doing business to ensure that non-criminals among them will be hurt, maimed, and killed.
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rabel22
 
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Reply Wed 25 Mar, 2009 05:08 pm
@cicerone imposter,
These people are intellectully dishonest. They refuse to honor any truths but thier own.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 25 Mar, 2009 05:20 pm
@rabel22,
They don't have a "truth." They justify the killing of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians and take away their lands, and they want "peace." Go figure; that will never happen in anyplace else on this planet.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2009 08:12 am
According to a BBC-report, a technically illegal West Bank settlement appears to be receiving Israeli government funding:
Quote:
Drive up the twisting, landscaped roads of Eli, a mid-sized settlement in the heart of the West Bank, and you come across a scene of intense construction activity. Lorries, tractors, and graders are digging, laying and smoothing a new road, more than a kilometre long. The road leads east to the outpost of Hayovel.

The road-building is not difficult to spot. But outside observers are not welcome. The BBC was asked, twice, to leave the settlement, when we drew too close to the site of the road.

Since the publication of a government-commissioned report into outposts, four years ago, they were supposed not to receive any further support from the authorities.

Indeed, the outgoing Israeli government promised to start dismantling the existing outposts.

That did not happen. Late last year, however, after an increase in violence from a minority of settlers, aimed at Israeli security forces, the cabinet announced an absolute cut-off in all public funding to the outposts.

The new road suggests that the reality is otherwise.

Source

One only can imagine what will happen under the new -left-right coalition government ...
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Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2009 08:26 am
@cicerone imposter,
You say: "They don't have a "truth." They justify the killing of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians and take away their lands, and they want "peace." Go figure; that will never happen in anyplace else on this planet."

I doubt that, since Israel came into being, even 10,000 Pals have been killed.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2009 09:36 am
@Advocate,
Advocate, I would advise you to do a Google search on the number of Palestinians killed by the Israelis. Your numbers approach ridiculousness to the extreme.

To make this a fair comparison, also get numbers of Israelis killed by the Palestinians. Don't forget that not all Israelis killed were by Palestinians.

Also look at the numbers of childrens killed on both sides.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2009 11:25 am
There seems to be no clear consensus on the numbers of casualties, but reviewing the various organizations reporting them, the numbers appear to be far less than the tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of Palestinian deaths that some of the more strident anti-Israel folks here are declaring.

And the question remains: IF the Palestinians had not initiated hostilities against Israel, how many Palestinian casualties would there have been?

IF the Palestinian militants had not intentionally placed their weaponry to draw fire into heavily populated civilian areas, how many Palestinian civilians would have been injured or died?

IF the Palestinian leadership had provided bomb shelters and other protection for their people as the Israelis do, how many Palestinian civilians would have been injured or died?

IF the Israelis had not provided bomb shelters and other protection for their people, had not enacted the blockade or built the wall or taken other measures to protect their citizens as best as they can, how many Israeli civilians would have been injured or died?

STATISTICS HERE:
http://israelipalestinian.procon.org/viewresource.asp?resourceID=000639#second
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2009 11:51 am
@Foxfyre,
This is from the first year intafada in 2000-2001, (From Wiki):

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/images/nyt-fig3.gif
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2009 11:53 am
@cicerone imposter,
Since the intafada:

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/images/deaths.gif
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2009 11:55 am
@cicerone imposter,
Reported by the UN:

http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/d9d90d845776b7af85256d08006f3ae9/be07c80cda4579468525734800500272/Body/0.7866!OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2009 12:01 pm
And the question remains: IF the Palestinians had not initiated hostilities against Israel, how many Palestinian casualties would there have been?

IF the Palestinian militants had not intentionally placed their weaponry to draw fire into heavily populated civilian areas, how many Palestinian civilians would have been injured or died?

IF the Palestinian leadership had provided bomb shelters and other protection for their people as the Israelis do, how many Palestinian civilians would have been injured or died?

IF the Israelis had not provided bomb shelters and other protection for their people, had not enacted the blockade or built the wall or taken other measures to protect their citizens as best as they can, how many Israeli civilians would have been injured or died?

Add to this:

If the Palestinians had been willing to settle on one of the many compromises offered and live in peace with Israel, how many Palestinians or Israelis would have died?

If the Arab people supporting the Palestinians had elected to feed, house, clothe, and otherwise provide humanitarian relief for the Palestinians instead of demanding that Israel do that and devoting their time, resources, and energy into trying to destroy Israel, what hostilities would have ensued and how many Palestinians or Israelis would have died?


cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2009 12:44 pm
@Foxfyre,
The Israelis are the ones who initiated hostilities by taking over Palestinian lands illegally, restricting free movement, and destroying their schools, hospitals and jobs.

They're now taking away their dignity.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2009 01:56 pm
@Foxfyre,
EIGHT ESTIMATES OF PALESTINIAN DEATHS
Link provided by Foxfyre:
http://israelipalestinian.procon.org/viewresource.asp?resourceID=000639#second

Total of Biggest Estimates of Palestinian Deaths for:
Dec 09, 1987 to Sep 28, 2000 + Sep 30, 2000 to Jan 09, 2007 = 1,551 + 4,398 = 5,949.


Quote:

Sep 30, 2000 to Jan 09, 2007 = 4,398

Sep 29, 2000 to Dec 31, 2006 = 4,269

Sep 28, 2000 to May 13, 2005 = 3,670

Sep 29, 2000 to Jan 31, 2005 = 2,828

Sep 29, 2000 to May 01, 2006 = not available

Sep 30, 2000 to Jun 13, 2006 = 3,914

Sep 30, 2000 to Sep 08, 2003 = 2,755

Sep 29, 2000 to Jan 16, 2003 = 2,297

=============================

Dec 09, 1987 to Sep 28, 2000 = 1,551


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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2009 02:42 pm
@cicerone imposter,
FACTS
In 1947, Britain asked the UN to recommend a solution to the Palestine problem.

In 1947, the UN recommended a two state solution: one for the Palestinian Arabs and one for the Palestinian Jews.

In 1948, Britain accepted the UN's recommendation and abandoned the Palestine terrirtory.

In 1948, Israel declared its independence.

Subsequently in 1948 and thereafter Palestinian Arabs and their supporters attempted to steal Israel.

In the process of stopping the Palestinian Arabs and their supporters from stealing Israel in 1948, Israel stole some of the Palestinian land the UN gave the Arabs.

After 1948, in the process of stopping multiple attempts by the Palestinian Arabs and their supporters to steal Israel, Israel stole more of the Palestinian land the UN gave the Arabs, some of which Israel has since RETURNED.

Some claim the Palestinian territory was originally stolen from the Arabs. That is false.

That same land, was previously stolen by the Jews more than two-thousand years ago.
That same land was subsequently stolen by the Romans in the 1st century AD.
That same land was subsequently stolen by the Arabs in the 7th century.
That same land was subsequently stolen by the Europeans in the 11th century.
That same land was subsequently stolen by lots of folks, but was never again stolen back by the Arabs or by the Jews.

That same land was subsequently stolen by the British in 1920.
That same land was subsequently given by the British in 1947 to the UN to figure out who should be given it next.
Some of that same land was subsequently given in 1947 by the UN to the Arabs.
Some of that same land was subsequently given in 1947 by the UN to the Jews.

The Arabs tried in 1948 to steal what was previously given to the Jews by the UN. That Arab effort failed at the price of the Jews stealing from the Arabs some of the land previously given to the Arabs by the UN.

Subsequently, the Arabs have tried repeatedly to steal back that land stolen from them by the Jews PLUS that land given the Jews by the UN. The Arabs have failed each time they tried, and as a result had more of the land given them by the UN stolen from them by the Israelis.

I think it obvious that the Arabs better stop trying to steal land the UN gave to the Jews, before they don't have any left of their own to be stolen by the Jews.

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old europe
 
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Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2009 06:10 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:
hundreds of thousands of Palestinian deaths that some of the more strident anti-Israel folks here are declaring


Are you sure you're sticking to the truth here? Posters here have claimed that there have been "hundreds of thousands of Palestinian deaths"? Seriously? You are not just making this up to disparage people you disagree with?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2009 06:19 pm
@old europe,
This represents childrens killed on both sides since September 2001.

http://sites.google.com/site/falastinel7ora/_/rsrc/1231197537192/if-only-americans-knew/children.gif
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2009 06:23 pm
@old europe,
No somebodyI'm pretty sure either on this thread or the Gaza thread expressed it in those terms.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2009 06:28 pm
@Foxfyre,
You're sure, but your memory is not that dependable; look at all the back-tracking you did so many times already. It's your SOP.
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old europe
 
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Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2009 06:28 pm
@Foxfyre,
Link or it didn't happen...
 

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