ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

You may be right < Georgeob1, but at this time, the US is still on the side of Israel.

Note this exerpt from Slate:

International Policy Attitudes (PIPA), surveyed 21 countries from six continents and asked whether the influence exerted by various nations in the world was positive or negative. The three countries most viewed as having a negative influence in the world -- essentially tied with one another -- were Iran, Pakistan and Israel, all of whom finished just behind North Korea -- and this poll was conducted before Israel’s attack on Gaza. Even before the war on Gaza, Israel was viewed overwhelmingly negatively in every country except two -- the U.S., where citizens view Israel favorably by a not very large 13-point margin (47-34%), and Russia, where public opinion is split. In every other country, the view of Israel's influence on the world is significantly negative -- in most cases, overwhelmingly so.

U.S. support for Israel has been particularly costly over the last several years, as Israel bombed Lebanon and demolished chunks of Gaza (using American weapons to do so), and continued its policy of settlement expansion in the West Bank " all with various means of American support playing a critical role. Yet now Israel appears poised to install as Prime Minister someone whose criticisms have been that Israel hasn’t gone far enough and who vows even more severe aggression. Worse still, the Israeli Government is likely to have as a prominent component a political party that is blatantly racist, anti-democratic and bloodthirsty.

If, as it appears, the face Israel is now choosing for itself is that of Benjamin Netanyahu and Avigdor Lieberman, then the cost to the United States of ongoing, one-sided support for Israel is going to skyrocket, and the need for serious change in U.S. policy towards Israel will be even more acute. It's worth recalling that Barack Obama, when still seeking the Democratic nomination in February, 2008, said:

I think there is a strain within the pro-Israel community that says unless you adopt an unwavering pro-Likud approach to Israel, then you're anti-Israel, and that can't be the measure of our friendship with Israel.
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Can you imagine the uproar if anyone in the USA said:

I think there is a strain within the Black community that says unless you adopt an unwavering pro Affirmative Action approach to African-Americans, then you are Anti-Black and that can't be the measure of our relationship with African-Americans.

Obama, true to the sentiment in Black circles, appears to have a strain of Anti-Semitism himself. Despite the support given to blacks in the last fifty years by the Jewish community,Blacks are among the most Anti-Semitic groups.

Well. I am always ready to learn, rabel 22. Please teach me. When you say that I don't get my facts straight, you can straighten them out for me. Would you be so good as to do that? Otherwise, I won't know which facts I don't get straight.

I am aghast at the thought that I may have made up history. Perhaps you can specifically point out which history I have made up.

If you can't---- give it a rest!!!

As far as you and your so called thoughts are concerned, I am resting.

I personally am not concerned whether or not Black Americans have any anti-Semitism within their community . The disregard, to some degree perhaps, to the concern and help that Jewish Americans have given the Black community from the inception of the civil rights movement, might just reflect a community that does not have gratitude towards every group, for what is done for them by that group. That might just show Black Americans are no different than White Americans, in that lack of gratitude is just a human trait.

Also, as Black Americans have an overwhelming majority of their voters as Democrats, this change towards Israel might reflect that it is understood that the Democratic Party, with its left-leaning constituency, has no great love for Israel, and the President knows who butters his bread, so to speak, and the bread of his fellow Black Americans.

Or, we may be watching theater, and in effect, making the world believe that Israel had no choice but to act alone in the future?

The Pro-Palestinians on this thread must now be counceled to watch Israel carefully. The limp wristed Labor forces in Israel have been defeated. Nethanyahu will be the new Prime Minister. He is going to kick Palestinian butt big time if they do not stop hurling missles at Israel.

Here is a message that is being sent to 40 M people worldwide.

It has been more than 60 years since the Second World War in Europe ended. This message is being sent as a memorial, in memory of the six million Jews, 20 million Russians, 10 million Christians, and 1,900 Catholic priests who were murdered, massacred, raped, burned, starved, and humiliated with the German and Russian Peoples looking the other way.

Now, more than ever, with Iraq, Iran, and others, claiming the Holocaust to be a "myth", it's imperative to make sure the world never forgets, because there are others who would like to do it again.

This email is out since some years; it's dealt with at various urban legends sites.

Advocate, Your fears that the majority on this planet will forget the holocaust is an insult. That there are people who believe it's a myth will always believe in the tooth fairy.

"We know from our own history what being sealed behind barbed wire and checkpoints is like, and we know that ‘Never Again' means not anyone, not anywhere - or it means nothing at all."

Sholom Schwartzbard ~ New York City 2009

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/02/17-10

I guess it now "means nothing at all."

I had hear that the 20 million Russians number includes 2 million Russian Jews, that are also counted in the 6 million Jews killed in the Holocaust. This might reflect double counting to a reader. Also, the 18 million non-Jewish Russians would likely think of themselves as Eastern Orthodox Christians, regardless of the atheistic position of the then Soviet Union. Therefore, who are the 10 million Christains noted above?

The Pro-Palestinians on this thread must now be counceled to watch Israel carefully. The limp wristed Labor forces in Israel have been defeated. Nethanyahu will be the new Prime Minister. He is going to kick Palestinian butt big time if they do not stop hurling missles at Israel.

Foofie wrote:

I personally am not concerned whether or not Black Americans have any anti-Semitism within their community . The disregard, to some degree perhaps, to the concern and help that Jewish Americans have given the Black community from the inception of the civil rights movement, might just reflect a community that does not have gratitude towards every group, for what is done for them by that group. That might just show Black Americans are no different than White Americans, in that lack of gratitude is just a human trait.

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How could that be Foofie? Our president Barack Hussein Obama kept telling us that we must be compassionate; that we must have a big tent and reach out to others; that we must be inclusive.

Was he lying? Was that just campaign rhetoric. I have experience in the inner city,foofie and I can tell you that many blacks hate everyone who is not black.

There is evidence for my statement. A huge number of blacks believe that the US planned and caused 9/11. A large number of blacks beleive that American Doctors created AIDS to commit genocide on black people.

There are many paranoid blacks--Obama may be one of them>

I have no idea what popular conceptions might be circulating in the Black community. Nor, is it really an interst of mine. I have enough trouble being an ethnic Caucasian to worry about African-Americans.

FACTS ABOUT PALESTINE

In 1947, Britain asked the UN to recommend a solution to its Palestine problem.

In 1947, the UN recommended a two state solution: one for the Palestinian Arabs and one for the Palestinian Jews..

In 1948, Britain abandoned Palestine.

In 1948, Israel declared its independence.

Subsequently in 1948 and thereafter Palestinian Arabs and their supporters attempted to steal Israel.

In the process of stopping the Palestinian Arabs and their supporters from stealing Israel in 1948, Israel stole some Palestinian land.

In the process of stopping the Palestinian Arabs and their supporters from stealing Israel after 1948, Israel stole more Palestinian land, some of which they since returned.

Some claim the Palestinian territory was originally stolen from the Arabs. But that same land, was previously stolen by the Jews from non-Arabs more than two-thousand years ago. That same land was subsequently stolen from the Jews in the first century A.D. by the Romans. The Arabs stole that same land in the 7th century, and it was in turn stolen from the Arabs in the 11th century by Europeans. Since then lots of folks have stolen that same land. However, that land never again was stolen back by the Arabs or by the Jews.

In the 20th century (i.e., 1947) the British, who were the last to steal Palestinian land--they stole it in 1920--gave it to the UN for the UN to figure out who should be given it next. The UN decided to give some of it back to the Arabs and some of it back to the Jews.

The Arabs tried in 1948 to steal what was previously given to the Jews by the UN. That Arab effort failed at the price of the Jews stealing some of that land previously given to the Arabs by the UN.

Subsequently, the Arabs have tried repeatedly to steal back that land stolen from them by the Jews plus that land given the Jews by the UN. The Arabs have failed each time they tried and had more of the land given them by the UN stolen from them by the Israelis as a result.

The Arabs should stop trying to steal land from the Jews before they don't have any left of their own to be stolen. All the Arabs have to do to be given back what was stolen by Israel from what the UN gave the Arabs, is grant Israel's right to exist in the territory the UN gave Israel, and simultaneously stop trying to steal more than what the UN gave them!

The Jews bought most of the land before 1948. The Jews also moved into land that was not owned by anyone. The Pals in Israel, being traitors to their new country, abandoned it at the urging of the invading Arab forces. They have no valid claims for the property abandoned.

They did not "abandon" their lands; your skewered observation about what's been happening shows only ignorance and blindness of the on-going building of settlements on Palestinian lands. Palestinians do not "abandon" their property; but the Jewish state calls it abandoned to take possession illegally.

The Jews bought SOME of the land of israel before 1948.

Palestine was divided by the UN into exactly two parts: one part for the Jews; and one part for the Arabs. There were no other parts of Palestine not owned by anyone. Remember, the British governed all of Palestine before they gave Palestine to the UN for the expressed purpose of having the UN decide what to do with ALL of it.

Who are the Palestinian refugees?

http://www.aljazeerah.info/Documents/Palestinian%20Refugees,%20Frequently%20Asked%20Questions.htm

Well I'll 'say' it. There are those in the Black community who assert that anything less than unwavering support of whatever is done in the name of Affirmative Action is an indicator of (at best) latent racism. Will that do?

There are also those, within and without, the Jewish community who assert that anything less than unquestioning support for whatever Israel does to suppress its neighbors and expand its territory is a sure indicator of anti Semitism.

I believe that both groups suffer from some misguided delusions.


I don't know of any evidence that suggests that Obama is anti Semitic. If you have some please share it. If instead, you suggest that anyone who even questions the wisdom of our unbounded support of whatever Israel does is necessarily am anti Semite, then perhaps he is. However, I think most sensible people would reject such a definition.