ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

Israel, in its campaign to reach and destroy "Hamas rocket capability" and "Hamas fighters", attacks.......farmland.

Gaza desperately short of food after Israel destroys farmland
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/feb/01/gaza-food-crisis

Hell, they deserve to starve; after all, they're housing Hamas within their midst. All their children are potential terrorists. Israel has a right to kill everybody they think are their enemies and potential enemy. That's the only way they can save their "democracy."

THIS NEEDS REPEATING!

The past failures of the Palestinian Arabs to make the following offer to the Israelis makes the Palestinian Arabs responsible for all the harm the Israelis acting in their own self-defense have caused the Palestinian Arabs. The Palestinian Arabs can save themselves from future harm by the Israelis by making the following offer :
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IF
the Israelis agree to return to the Palestinian Arabs all Palestinian land originally recommended by the UN to be governed by the Palestinian Arabs,

THEN
1. the Palestinian Arabs will cease and desist trying to steal Israel;
2. the Palestinian Arabs will convict and incarcerate any and all Palestinian Arabs not living in Israel that are proven to have perpetrated crimes against Israelis, including murder, attempted murder, and other physical harm to the Israelis or to their property.
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If the Palestinian Arabs were to agree AND make this offer, then the Israelis would have little choice other than to agree to accept that offer, because America would no longer help the Israelis if the Israelis failed to agree.

Until the Palestinian Arabs make this offer, they are responsible for their own misery.

Its what we did to the indians in the U.S. We destroyed the buffalo the primary food of the indians. We starved them into oblivian. The Isralies are only apeing what the U.S. did. Its total war. If youve no heart as most conseratives on this sight dont they have to admire the Isralie government. Myself I think they are commiting more war crimes while they claim selfdefence. How different is what Isralies are doing to the pals from what hitler did to the europeians he destroyed. This can be described as a lust for land and power.

I totally agree, but it would seem we should have gained some knowledge about "history repeating itself - for the worse."

Only humans know how to destroy our own kind with such abandon. Is there any hope for "us?"

Rabel22 and cicerone imposter you write nonsense. Americans did not "starve American Indians into oblivion." Yes some were killed, some of them died from starvation, and some killed Americans, but most American Indians lived and were given reservations on which they chose to live, or they were allowed to assimilate into American society. That hardly constitutes "starving into oblivion."

The MAL (i.e., Modern American Liberals) on this site have what appears to be zero regard for the truth. They manufacture falsities they claim are true, and then subsequently change them to other falsities as their needs or whims dictate.

So it makes our terrible actions OK because we were allegedly acting on behalf of the UK. What nonsense!

rabel22 has either read "garbage" sources or is making up his History as he goes along. The highly acclaimed writer, the very LIBERAL Jared Diamond, in his prize winning "Guns, Germs and Steel",wrote:

"throughout the Americas, diseases introduced with Europeans spread from tribe to tribe...killing an estimated 95 % of the Native American population...The main killers were Old World germs to which Indians had never been exposed, and against which they therefore had neither immune or genetic resistance" PP. 210-212.

Most modern Historians agree.

If genoves and Ican will read "Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee" they will learn much about the "indian wars" which is contrary to their apparent present beliefs.

As for Ican's "The indians were given reservations on which they chose to live", that is just ludicrous.
But it's on a par with some of the statements here about Israel's behaviour and intentions towards the Palestinian people.

I guess you never heard the old Catskill hotel joke about Jews being American Indians from the tribe of Shmohawks.

I believe that using the word "introduced" could allow one to misconstrue that there was an "intent." No intent. Europeans came with all the bacteria and viruses (viri) that uses our bodies as their little universe.

You are assuming they know how to read, and understand what they read.

The key election issue in Israel is whether the country stopped its offensive too soon. It is pretty obvious to me that it did.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/01/AR2009020100422.html?hpid=topnews

You don't know very much about the political climate and the investigations after the encounter at South Dakota's Wounded Knee Creek, do you, McTag.

Six Days after the battle, President Benjamin Harrison ordered a full court of inquiry into the conduct of the troops. The court of inquiry cleared the soldiers, noting Major Whitside's UNCONRADICTED SWORN TESTIMONY that "the Indians fired at least FIFTY SHOTS before the troops returned the fire.

I am astonished that Americans like you and Ican know so little of your own history.
Read about what happened to those indians before they got to Wounded Knee, for example.

That book deals with the whole subject, not only one "battle". Not in a very academic or rigourous way, admittedly, the book being written for the general reader, but the facts therein are plain enough and are not disputed.

Here is some rare candor from an Arab journalist.


The War with Israel Is Over"and They Won
By Youssef Ibrahim, Jewish World Review, January 16, 2009 (An original version of this article appeared in The New York Sun in 2006)

To my Arab brothers:

Now let's finally move forward. With Israel entering its fourth week of an incursion into the same Gaza Strip it voluntarily evacuated a few years ago, a sense of reality among Arabs is spreading through commentary by Arab pundits, letters to the editor, and political talk shows on Arabic-language TV networks. The new views are stunning both in their maturity and in their realism. The best way I can think of to convey them is in the form of a letter to the Palestinian Arabs from their Arab friends:

Dear Palestinian Arab brethren: The war with Israel is over. You have lost. Surrender and negotiate to secure a future for your children. We, your Arab brothers, may say until we are blue in the face that we stand by you, but the wise among you and most of us know that we are moving on, away from the tired old idea of the Palestinian Arab cause and the "eternal struggle" with Israel. Dear friends, you and your leaders have wasted three generations trying to fight for Palestine, but the truth is the Palestine you could have had in 1948 is much bigger than the one you could have had in 1967, which in turn is much bigger than what you may have to settle for now or in another 10 years.

Struggle means less land and more misery and utter loneliness. At the moment, brothers, you would be lucky to secure a semblance of a state in that Gaza Strip into which you have all crowded, and a small part of the West Bank of the Jordan. It isn't going to get better. Time is running out even for this much land, so here are some facts, figures, and sound advice, friends.

You hold keys, which you drag out for television interviews, to houses that do not exist or are inhabited by Israelis who have no intention of leaving Jaffa, Haifa , Tel Aviv, or West Jerusalem. You shoot old guns at modern Israeli tanks and American-made fighter jets, doing virtually no harm to Israel while bringing the wrath of its mighty army down upon you. You fire ridiculously inept Kassam rockets that cause little destruction and delude yourselves into thinking this is a war of liberation.

Your government, your social institutions, your schools, and your economy are all in ruins. Your young people are growing up illiterate, ill, and bent on rites of death and suicide, while you, in effect, are living on the kindness of foreigners, including America and the United Nations. Every day your officials must beg for your daily bread, dependent on relief trucks that carry food and medicine into the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, while your criminal Muslim fundamentalist Hamas government continues to fan the flames of a war it can neither fight nor hope to win.

In other words, brothers, you are down, out, and alone in a burnt-out landscape that is shrinking by the day. What kind of struggle is this? Is it worth waging at all? More important, what kind of miserable future does it portend for your children, the fourth or fifth generation of the Arab world's have-nots? We, your Arab brothers, have moved on.

Those of us who have oil money are busy accumulating wealth and building housing, luxury developments, state-of-the-art universities and schools, and new highways and byways. Those of us who share borders with Israel, such as Egypt and Jordan, have signed a peace treaty with it and are not going to war for you any time soon. Those of us who are far away, in places like North Africa and Iraq, frankly could not care less about what happens to you.

Only Syria continues to feed your fantasies that someday it will join you in liberating Palestine, even though a huge chunk of its territory, the entire Golan Heights, was taken by Israel in 1967 and annexed. The Syrians, my friends, will gladly fight down to the last Palestinian Arab. Before you got stuck with this Hamas crowd, another cheating, conniving, leader of yours, Yasser Arafat, sold you a rotten bill of goods - more pain, greater corruption, and millions stolen by his relatives"while your children played in the sewers of Gaza.

The war is over. Why not let a new future begin?

Hey! The U.S.A. is a young nation. At least we do not have a long history that would then include "drawing and quartering"? What is your point?

Not surprising that you "miss the point."

I taught a number of American Indians to fly: that is, obtain various FAA pilot certificates and ratings. Oh, I get it now. You think they were ghosts or other figments of my imagination.

Well, look who adds his opinion. Hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm (don't that beat all).