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ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 14 Sep, 2008 12:31 am
@Foxfyre,
Netanyahu is the Chairman of the Likud Party, which is the largest Israeli opposition party.


The leadership election next week in the Kadima partyare - more or more - only due because otherwise the coalition with Labour would have broken.
Only Mofaz seems to have a tiny change as well .... to reach a run-off.

In my opinion, dynamics between various countries are widely influence by the governments/coalition parties.
But certainly I can be wrong.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 14 Sep, 2008 01:44 am
@Foxfyre,
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What do you think?
Some commentators have said WWWIII is underway. Do you agree?

No.
WW III ended on Christmas Eve of 1991,
when the USSR went out of business.




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Who struck the first blow?

The Rosenbergs' Comrade Stalin struck the first blow.






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Is there a coalition among adversaries of Israel? Will Israel survive this one? Will we?

Yes, yes, and yes.





David
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sun 14 Sep, 2008 05:31 am
Israel mulls plan to compensate West Bank settlers
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JERUSALEM (AFP) " Israel's cabinet on Sunday discussed the most detailed plan ever offered to compensate settlers for leaving their homes in parts of the West Bank ahead of a future peace deal with the Palestinians.

Deputy Prime Minister Haim Ramon presented a plan for offering settlers up to 1.1 million shekels (300,000 dollars) to leave homes built east of Israel's controversial separation barrier in the occupied territory.
. . .
"The greatest threat to the negotiations is the strengthening idea among Palestinians and the international community of a one-state solution for two people," Ramon said, according to the official who attended the meeting.

"I agree that the idea of one state for two people is strengthening and worrying," the official quoted Olmert as saying in response.

The two were referring to an alternative solution to the conflict whereby Palestinians in the occupied territories would drop their demand for a separate state and demand full Israeli citizenship instead.

Israeli leaders have long feared such a scenario, which could lead to the end of Israel as a state with a Jewish majority.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 15 Sep, 2008 10:03 am
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Israel is prepared to express sorrow for the plight of Palestinians who became refugees when the country was created, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Monday.

"We will participate in expressing sorrow for what happened to them," Olmert told the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, adding, "but also for what happened to us, the suffering of hundreds of thousands of Jews who were driven out of Arab countries."

Source: JP
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 16 Sep, 2008 12:19 pm
Now that his days as PM are numbered, Olmert starts to tell the plane truth, it seems, like:

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Israel expressed outrage on Sunday after a mob of Jewish settlers rampaged through a Palestinian village in the West Bank to avenge the stabbing of a nine-year-old boy in a nearby settlement.

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert condemned Saturday's settler attack on the village, during which four Palestinians were shot and wounded, and vowed to halt settler "pogroms" in the occupied territory.

"This phenomenon of taking the law into their own hands and of brutal and violent attacks is intolerable and will receive the strictest and most severe treatment," Olmert told reporters ahead of a weekly cabinet meeting.

"There will be no pogroms against non-Jewish residents in the state of Israel," he added.
AFP


Just one day to go ...
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Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni's hopes of succeeding the scandal-hit Ehud Olmert as prime minister got a boost from an opinion poll on Monday, two days before she faces rivals in a party leadership vote.

The survey of members who can vote in Wednesday's party primary showed 47 percent backed Livni's bid to become Israel's first woman leader since Golda Meir in the 1970s, compared to 28 percent for Iranian-born deputy premier Shaul Mofaz. Candidates must score above 40 percent to avoid a run-off ballot next week.

The poll by the Dialogue agency for Channel 10 television and Haaretz newspaper gave the two other contenders seeking to lead the centrist Kadima party six percent each. Analysts are wary of such polls, however, especially on a primary in which just 74,000 activists are entitled to vote at party-run venues.
Source: Reuters
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 17 Sep, 2008 05:51 am
'Election Day' in the Kadima party today.
So it's no big surprise:
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Syria said that a fifth round of indirect peace talks with Israel scheduled for Thursday had been postponed at the request of the Jewish state.

"The Israeli side asked for it to be postponed," Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Moualem told reporters in Damascus on Wednesday.

"When Israel is ready to resume the talks, we will be ready as well," said Moualem, who was speaking after a meeting with his Spanish counterpart.
Reuters

A poll conducted Monday by Haaretz-Dialog and Channel 10 had Livni on 47 percent and Mofaz 28 percent, while Sheetrit and Dichter received 6 percent each.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 17 Sep, 2008 12:37 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
A judge had extented the voting by 30 mins - Livni resp. her campaign had ask for an exztra, Mofaz, not to keep polling stations open beyond their original closing time.

So polling stations should been closed since 7 minutes by now ...
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 17 Sep, 2008 01:46 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
All exit polls show: Livni is winning between 47 and 49 percent of the vote, with a lead of at least 10 points over Mofaz,
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 17 Sep, 2008 02:15 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

So polling stations should been closed since 7 minutes by now ...


Oops - should been closed in 53 mins that should have been Embarrassed

So it really loks as if the new Israeli PM is Livni. Well, certainly she'll be the leader of Kadima in a one, two hours. And then PM ...
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 17 Sep, 2008 03:01 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
From Haaretz
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Last update - 23:44 17/09/2008
Kadima primary: Key facts about Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni
By Reuters

Exit polls by all three major Israeli TV stations showed Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni as the winner of the ruling Kadima party's primary Wednesday, making her the successor of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert as party leader and likely the next premier. Here are some key facts about her:

Livni was born in Tel Aviv on July 8, 1958, and is a leading member of the Kadima party. She is the country's second woman foreign minister - the first was Golda Meir, who later served as prime minister from 1969 to 1974.

Livni, 50, has already launched a campaign to replace Olmert. She called in vain in 2007 for Olmert to step down following the release of the Winograd Report, which sharply criticized his handling of the 2006 Second Lebanon War.

Elected to the Knesset as a member of the right-wing Likud party in 1999, she was one of Kadima's founding members alongside then prime minister Ariel Sharon. He left Likud in 2005 and formed Kadima with some rebels from Labor as he pushed through a plan to pull troops and settlers from Gaza.

A former operative with the Mossad, Livni had a career as a commercial lawyer before serving as justice minister under Sharon. Her husband, with whom she has two adult sons, is a prominent Tel Aviv entrepreneur.

Livni comes from a well-known ultranationalist family but has endorsed withdrawal from some occupied lands as a pragmatic way to preserve Israel's Jewish majority - if not to achieve a peace agreement.

At times outspoken, she once called Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas "irrelevant." Since the launch of the Annapolis peace process in November last year, Livni has been Israel's chief negotiator with the Palestinians.

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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 17 Sep, 2008 03:27 pm
Meanwhile in Lebanon:
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Violent incidents across Lebanon in recent days have raised fears of a return to sectarian violence that left at least 65 people dead in May, correspondents say.


BBC report: Christian rivals clash in Lebanon
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Advocate
 
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Reply Fri 19 Sep, 2008 01:45 pm
An alarming piece! It is in opednews.com.

Syrian Tripwire For WWIII

by Lord Stirling


Russian Rear Admiral Andrei Baranov has disclosed that 10 Russian warships are already anchored at the Syrian port of Tartus. Russian engineering crews are widening and dredging the port to accommodate additional Russian warships.

The Russians are making clear their intentions of using the large Russian naval presence in Tartus as a deterrent to Israeli air strikes against Syria using the powerful anti-air missiles on-board the Russian naval warships. These missile systems can sweep the sky over most of Syria and knock down Israeli F-15 and F-16 fighters. This changes the balance of power in the air over Syria.



This also places a tripwire for World War III in place in the Middle East. Any attack on Iran will also involve a war with Syria and Lebanon. This will now involve Russian military forces in direct support of the Iranian/Syrian alliance. Russia is a major nuclear power with the power to destroy every American and NATO city. George Bush has just agreed to sell Israel 1,000 very advanced American bunker buster bombs for use in the coming war with Iran, Syria, and Lebanon.

The neo-cons are going to get most of us killed.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 20 Sep, 2008 12:30 am
@Advocate,
Ehem, yes.

If you, Advocate, had followed the Caucasus conflict (that's Georgia etc), you would have known that.

(On September 12Russia and Syria reached an agreement that would provide Moscow with a long-term base rights at Syrian ports. See various press from this week.)
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 22 Sep, 2008 02:56 am
President Peres is likely to ask Livni to try to form a new coalition government, a Peres spokeswoman said today, a day after Olmert resigned.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 22 Sep, 2008 01:40 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I wonder how the US Jews react since Livni now officially got the formal nod by Peres to form a new Israeli government. What do your Jewish friends say, Foxfyre?

In Israel, some oppose her because she didn't get the popular vote.
However, it's the very same which happened before a couple of times: David Ben Gurion (1955), Levi Eshkol (1963), Golda Meir (1969), Yitzhak Rabin (1974), Yitzhak Shamir (1983).

Here, in Germany (I talked with some today at the opening of a new synagogue [converted from an evangelical church, btw]), there's a mixed reaction among the Jewish community, it seems. Quite a few know her personally, but they think it will be a very hard job to get a cabinet within 42 days.
Most think that new elections will come.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 22 Sep, 2008 01:55 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I actually haven't discussed it with my Jewish friends, Walter. They tend to be far more into antiques, theater, gardening, and/or a wicked bridge game than they seem to be interested in politics. That doesn't mean we've never discussed politics; but we haven't recently and I don't know what they think about Livni.

I have been interested in commentary that her new position will make peace talks more difficult?

I guess I need to read up because I am pretty well out of the loop on current events in Israeli politics and really don't have an informed opinion yet.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 22 Sep, 2008 03:04 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

I have been interested in commentary that her new position will make peace talks more difficult?


Depends on how you see it: Olmert changed his attitude lately, compared how he started. (To stay in office, I imagine.)
She seems to be quite open minded, relatively that is.

But I suppose, this will only be handled in second line - first, it's a big "adventure" to find a coalition, with various of minor "theatres of war".
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 24 Sep, 2008 09:13 am
Wooing The Pariah: How Syria's Assad is Steering his Country out of Isolation
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Is Assad truly a moderating force in the Middle East today, a man transformed from agitator to peacemaker -- like Saul who, according to the Holy Scriptures, transformed himself into Paul as he traveled to Damascus in Biblical days? Can Assad, with his track record as an authoritarian leader, use his foreign policy successes to turn his country into a Middle Eastern model of democracy? Or is he still a dangerous adversary who is merely maneuvering?

Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 25 Sep, 2008 03:01 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
You most probably heard of today's news from Istael that Jewish conservative extremists tried kill Israeli historian Zeev Sternhell, who is known for his criticism of the settlements in the occupied West Bank.

So I just mention that as well.

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 25 Sep, 2008 09:39 pm
From the NYT:
Re: Radicals?

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September 26, 2008
Radical Settlers Take on Israel
By ISABEL KERSHNER

YITZHAR, West Bank " A pipe bomb that exploded late on Wednesday night outside the Jerusalem home of Zeev Sternhell, a Hebrew University professor, left him lightly wounded and created only a minor stir in a nation that routinely experiences violence on a much larger scale.

But Mr. Sternhell was noted for his impassioned critiques of Jewish settlements in the West Bank, once suggesting that Palestinians “would be wise to concentrate their struggle against the settlements.” And the authorities found fliers near his home offering nearly $300,000 to anyone who kills a member of Peace Now, a left-wing Israeli advocacy group, leading them to suspect that militant Israeli settlers or their supporters were behind the attack.

If so, the bombing may be the latest sign that elements of Israel’s settler movement are resorting to extremist tactics to protect their homes in the occupied West Bank against not only Palestinians, but also Jews who some settlers argue are betraying them. Radical settlers say they are determined to show that their settlements and outposts cannot be dismantled, either by law or by force.

There have been bouts of settler violence for years, notably during the transfer of Gaza to the Palestinians in 2005. Now, though, the militants seem to have spawned a broader, more defined strategy of resistance designed to intimidate the state.

This aggressive doctrine, according to Akiva HaCohen, 24, who is considered to be one of its architects, calls on settlers and their supporters to respond “whenever, wherever and however” they wish to any attempt by the Israeli Army or the police to lay a finger on property in illegally built outposts scheduled by the government for removal. In settler circles the policy is called “price tag” or “mutual concern.”

Besides exacting a price for army and police actions, the policy also encourages settlers to avenge Palestinian acts of violence by taking the law into their own hands " an approach that has the potential to set the tinderbox of the West Bank ablaze.

Hard-core right-wing settlers have responded to limited army operations in recent weeks by blocking roads, rioting spontaneously, throwing stones at Palestinian vehicles and burning Palestinian orchards and fields all over the West Bank, a territory that Israel has occupied since 1967. They have also vandalized Israeli Army positions, equipment and cars.
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