ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

InfraBlue wrote:

foxfyre wrote:
So you're in charge of Israel. What do you do?

I'd engage in the dismantling of the ethnocentrically oppressive and discriminatory Zionist state and its replacement with a pluralistic and egalitarian one that serves all of the peoples of Palestine (as defined by Britain's Palestine Mandate). If necessary, international peace keepers should be placed there to maintain peace, and prosecute violent zealots and extremists, not through ridiculously inappropriate military actions that kill many innocent people, but instead through a robust multi-level civilian police force.

I see. So there wouldn't be much reason to retain Israel then at all would there at least as it was intended which was to be a refuge for displaced Jews. (The UN has proved to be totally inadequate to protect or defend the Jews anywhere else and what you propose ensures a Muslim majority in Israel that almost certainly would not be friendly to the Jews or the continued existance of Israel as an independent state. How long do you think such majority would retain the name 'Israel'?)

But evenso I presume that that you are pleased with the efforts to replace the ethnocentrically oppressive and discriminatory Saddam Hussein despotic empire with a pluralistic and egalitarian democracy that serves all the peoples of Iraq and the robust peacekeeping efforts that continue at this time?

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Fox, YOu have the whole scenario backwards; it's the Jews who are treating the Palestinians in disregard of human rights, property, freedom of movement, and jobs. Your brain needs readjustment.

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McTag wrote:

You silly cnut

THE LOGIC OF UN RESOLUTION 181 RULES; THE OPINIONS OF INDIVIDUALS DO NOT RULE.

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/un/res181.htm
UN PALESTINIAN RESOLUTION 181

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Chapter 2: Religious and Minority Rights
Freedom of conscience and the free exercise of all forms of worship, subject only to the maintenance of public order and morals, shall be ensured to all.

No discrimination of any kind shall be made between the inhabitants on the ground of race, religion, language or sex.

All persons within the jurisdiction of the State shall be entitled to equal protection of the laws.

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Chapter 4: Miscellaneous Provisions
The provisions of chapters 1 and 2 of the declaration shall be under the guarantee of the United Nations, and no modifications shall be made in them without the assent of the General Assembly of the United Nations. Any Member of the United Nations shall have the right to bring to the attention of the General Assembly any infraction or danger of infraction of any of these stipulations, and the General Assembly may thereupon make such recommendations as it may deem proper in the circumstances.

Any dispute relating to the application or interpretation of this declaration shall be referred, at the request of either party, to the International Court of Justice, unless the parties agree to another mode of settlement.

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F. ADMISSION TO MEMBERSHIP IN THE UNITED NATIONS
When the independence of either the Arab or the Jewish State as envisaged in this plan has become effective and the declaration and undertaking, as envisaged in this plan, have been signed by either of them, sympathetic consideration should be given to its application for admission to membership in the United Nations in accordance with article 4 of the Charter of the United Nations.

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Part II. - Boundaries
A. THE ARAB STATE
The area of the Arab State in Western Galilee is bounded

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B. THE JEWISH STATE
The north-eastern sector of the Jewish State (Eastern Galilee) is bounded

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following the boundary

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follows the boundary ...

If establishing boundaries between states were truly an act of aparthied, then the UN resolution 181 was guilty of apartheid. But of course, it is ridiculous to allege establishing boundaries is apartheid.

While resolution 181 states ,"No discrimination of any kind shall be made between the inhabitants on the ground of race, religion, language or sex," it does not prohibit discrimination on the ground of self-defense.

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Are you serious? Self defense? Israel has all the firepower; Palestinians have some outdated rockets and strapping bombs as human bombs.

Get real; maybe in your world, black is white and white is black; it's upside down.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Are you serious? Self defense? Israel has all the firepower; Palestinians have some outdated rockets and strapping bombs as human bombs.

Get real; maybe in your world, black is white and white is black; it's upside down.

The Palestinian Arabs permit the Palestinian Arab-Gangsters, who mass murder Israelis, sanctuary within their communities. Naturally the Israelis continually attempt to murder these Palestinian Arab-Gangsters in the Israelis own self-defense. Frequently, Palestinian Arabs who permit the Palestinian Arab-gangsters sanctuary are are also killed. That is of course because their permission aids and abets those Arab-gangsters.

Regardless of the size of the Israelis' fire power, the Palestinian Arab-gangsters have not been stopped by either the Israelis acting in their own self-defense, or the Palestinian Arabs permitting the Palestinian Arab-Gangsters sanctuary.

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If you are in a hole, you stop digging.

That refers to Ican and his arguments, and equally to Israel.

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The Palestinian Arabs aid and abet Palestinian Arab-Gangsters in their midst to mass murder Israelis by permitting them sanctuary within their communities. They make no effort to rid themselves of these Arab-Gangsters by their own actions, or by asking for Israel's or anyone else's help to get rid of them. They thereby are accomplices of Arab-Gangsters murdering Israeli non-murderers. Because of this, the Palestinian Arabs are themselves criminals who have earned their own miseries.

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Okay there's a guy coming at me with a rusty knife and I know he intends to kill me with it. I have a 38 Magnum in my purse, and I use it to stop him.

According to CI and McTag, I am the aggressor and the guy with the knife is the victim.

Interesting logic that.

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Scenario #2. There's the old joke about the tiger who escapes from the zoo and is mauling a child. A young man jumps on the tiger, manages to wrestle it away from the child and kill it. If he is a Democrat, the evening news leads with "Heroic man risks life to save child." If he is a Republican, the evening news leads with "Man murders endangered tiger".

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Scenario #3. The neighbors are gang bangers who throw trash onto your lawn, keep you awake all night revving up their motorcycles and playing loud music, and threaten serious consequences if you complain. They are vulgar, aggressive, and profane, call out insults to your children and slurs toward you and your spouse. You fear that their pit bulls in the back yard could get loose any time. They boast that they'll run you out of town.

So you build a higher fence and are accused of being unneighborly. You don't invite them to a gathering at your house and you are accused of being discriminatory.

And if you finally get fed up with not being able to enjoy your home or allow your children to play outside or get any rest and finally file suit for them to cease and desist, you are accused of racism or some other ugly
'ism and you are branded the villain and they are the victim.

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Here's one. You move into your neighbour's house, murdering half his family as you go.
Then you won't leave. You say that God told you it was okay.

Then you can't understand why he is upset about this, and you wish he would go away and stop going on and on about it.

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You might want to add in to that scenario that you bulldoze their house from time to time, and send your snipers to kill their kids with frequency, and shoot missiles from your helicopters into their neighborhoods every now and then. You also prevent many of them from accessing their holy sites and actively keep them from getting enough water on a regular basis.

Just for accuracy's sake.

Cycloptichorn

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The Palestinian Arabs aid and abet Palestinian Arab-Gangsters in their midst to mass murder Israelis by permitting them sanctuary within their communities. They make no effort to rid themselves of these Arab-Gangsters by their own actions, or by asking for Israel's or anyone else's help to get rid of them. They thereby are accomplices of Arab-Gangsters murdering Israeli non-murderers.

Because of this, the Palestinian Arabs are themselves criminals who suffer the consequences of their actions--their own miseries including but not limited to being killed, being denied an adequate supply of drinking water, being denied an adequate supply of electricity, and having their homes leveled.

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ican, What have you done to get rid of gangsters in your city, county, state, and/or country?

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Israel shelters its Palestinian spies: the Guardian's Israel correspondent, Rory McCarthy, reports on those Palestinians who collaborated with Israeli intelligence and who have been rewarded with a fresh start in Israel.

A 52-year-old tells the Guardian: "I don't regret my story. I'm very happy that I helped the state of Israel. Here everything is straightforward. Here there is law and there are rights."

The Guardian: A secret fresh start: former Palestinian collaborators forge new life in Israel

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7451691.stm

Israeli settlers using violence to drive Palestinians off of their land.

Cycloptichorn

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Cyclo, YOu know as well as I that those shepards are terrorists in hiding, and they deserve to be chased off their lands.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

ican, What have you done to get rid of gangsters in your city, county, state, and/or country?

Case 1. I called the city police and that usually worked.
Case 2. In a few cases, Case 1 did not work so I called the state police and, except in one case, that worked.
Case 3. In one case, Case 2 did not work and I had to call the Feds and that worked.

In the case of the Palestinian Arabs, all they really have to do is what the Iraqi people are doing with increasing frequency. That is inform on the gangsters in their midsts to the Iraq police or to the US military. That is working with increasing frequency.

Oh by the way, there are a few other other cases. I helped remove them from office by voting for other candidates. Palestinian Arabs should try that case too.

Cice, what have you done to get rid of gangsters in your city, county, state, and/or country?

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7451691.stm

Israeli settlers using violence to drive Palestinians off of their land.

Cycloptichorn

Long before the Israelis started that, the Palestinian Arab settlers started using violence to drive Israelis off Israeli lands. The Palestinian Arabs are continuing to do that, while criticizing the Israelis for acting in self-defence by using violence to drive Palestinian Arabs off Israeli lands.

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ican wrote: Cice, what have you done to get rid of gangsters in your city, county, state, and/or country?

Nothing. I'm not the one suggesting that Palestinians (or anybody else for that matter) should not abet the Palestinian gangsters in their midst.

As a citizen, I let the police department and legal system of our country to handle "gangsters" in our midst. I'm not a member of any gangs or crime organizations; I'm a retired American citizen drawing my social security with Medicare to care for my health.

Crime in our city is one of the lowest in the country.

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