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Agreed, so isn't it wondeful that Israel doesn't do that? Hamas does, but Israel doesn't.

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Agreed, so isn't it wondeful that Israel doesn't do that? Hamas does, but Israel doesn't.

Are you sure you want to stick with that? Israel does not send missles into civilian areas in order to get rockets or Hamas or Hezbala (spell?) fighters?

I even bet you think it is okay for the police to shoot at that gunman in the school or crowded restaurant too in order to stop the killing even if it is possible that an innocent might be unintentionally hurt. Or should they shoot only if they are certain they can hit the gun in his hand?

And I'm quite certain that under the circumstances described, the police would be exonerated.

Investigate away. Meanwhile, I certainly hope the police keep trying to take out that gunman.

Foxfyre wrote:

Investigate away. Meanwhile, I certainly hope the police keep trying to take out that gunman.

You mean: shoot first, ask questions later?

old europe wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

Investigate away. Meanwhile, I certainly hope the police keep trying to take out that gunman.

You mean: shoot first, ask questions later?

If you have somebody shooting at kids or patrons in a crowded restaurant, I don't think asking questions before shooting would be a good tactical move.

Israel sends rockets into Israel hoping to take out the people and weapons that are being fired at Israeli civilians. Good for you. I knew you had it in you.

Anyway, If a madman was shooting up a school or crowded restaurant; the correct answer surely would not be to send a missle to either the school or the resturaunt and kill everybody.

Agreed, so isn't it wondeful that Israel doesn't do that? Hamas does, but Israel doesn't.

Are you sure you want to stick with that? Israel does not send missles into civilian areas in order to get rockets or Hamas or Hezbala (spell?) fighters who/which are in civilian areas?

Israel sends rockets into Israel hoping to take out the people and weapons that are being fired at Israeli civilians. Good for you. I knew you had it in you.

Following the Hamas rocket barrage, an Israeli airstrike in northern Gaza on Wednesday evening killed three Palestinian children. Hospital officials told Human Rights Watch the victims were Anas al-Mana'ma (age 10), Muhammad Khalil Hamada (age 12), and Bilal Hijazi (age 10). The Israeli military said the victims were preparing to launch a rocket attack. Palestinian media reported that they were playing near an abandoned portable rocket launcher in the al-Taw'am neighborhood between Beit Lahiya and Gaza City. The attack also wounded 17 persons playing in a sports field nearby, including six children. According to Palestinian media reports, Israeli attacks in Gaza in the 24 hours following Wednesday's rocket barrage into Israel killed at least 23 persons, eight of them children.

On February 23, an Israeli ground-launched shell killed three young Palestinian men near Beit Hanoun in northern Gaza. Eyewitnesses told Human Rights Watch that the men were not armed, and that they had seen no armed activity in the vicinity.

The Israeli man killed yesterday near Sderot was the first person killed by rocket attacks from Gaza since May 2007, and the fourteenth overall since the resumption of Israeli-Palestinian armed clashes in September 2000, according to the Israeli human rights organization B'Tselem. In the same period, B'Tselem reported that 1,259 of the 2,679 Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces in the Gaza Strip were not participating in hostilities when they were killed, and 567 were minors.

One Pal leader says this is OK because Israeli kids grow up to be soldiers. I guess you agree.

Some Jews even refuse to serve in the IDF. Do you know why?

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One Pal leader says this is OK because Israeli kids grow up to be soldiers. I guess you agree.

No I do not agree. In fact I think this part of the main problem I think shared between the Israelis and the Palestinians. I know you will come back with the usual response. I have conceded number one Hamas and other Palestinians groups shoot rockets and send suicide bombers in defiance of international law and it is illegal and is not excused.

However that does not let Israel have free reign to defend itself how it sees fit. There are laws which govern these things and I see no need to go over them again except to say Israel has not paid much attention to those laws. Moreover; Israel has built settlements despite UN mandates and even US wishes and and in a host of other ways deny the Palestinians freedom movement which contributes to their poverty and they cut off things they need to survive and barely provide enough in return to survive on. They punish people collectively either by killing them or depriving them of their homes with bulldozers or taking away their utilities or other things of that nature which is also wrong.

The way things are right now; both sides are locked into such a defensive position that there is no way out; Palestinians see their actions as justified and Israel see their actions as justified. I think both are unjustified wit neither side having any moral high ground when it comes to how and the manner they fight or defend themselves.

This discussion can go round and round and we have proven on this very thread that it does. I will just let it be assumed from me that you all think I am wrong and leave this particular point at that.

Some Jews even refuse to serve in the IDF. Do you know why?

Neturei Karta - (Aramaic Literally, "keepers of the gates.") (so called - "Jews against Zionism") A tiny sect of fanatic ultra-orthodox anti-Zionist Jews who do not recognize the state of Israel. They claim that the Jewish state can only be formed when the Messiah comes.

The Neturei Karta are estimated as having about 5,000 members in Israel and sympathizers and members abroad. They are allied with the Satmar Hassidim and have an ideology similar to that of the Vienna anti-Zionist group

Bush told U.S.-funded Radio Farda, which broadcasts into Iran in Farsi, that Iranian leaders have "declared they want to have a nuclear weapon to destroy people," a statement that went well beyond the findings of the NIE.

Cheney, meanwhile, jousted with ABC's Martha Raddatz when she tried to pin him down on whether he agreed with the NIE's finding that Iran shut down its nuclear weapons program in 2003. Despite having several opportunities to endorse this finding, the vice president said in an interview only that "I have high confidence they have an ongoing enrichment program."

SPIEGEL: When you were in Iraq, your team found out that 'Curveball's' story had nothing to do with the truth. How did CIA leadership react to your findings?

Kay: With resistance and denial. It was an absolute refusal to face reality. I just kept on hearing, 'don't stop now. Keep working. You must be wrong. You will find it. Keep looking.' [...]

SPIEGEL: But nothing was ever found…

Kay: No and my e-mails became less and less friendly. There was a war going on in Baghdad, the members of my team were risking their lives every day, and the Germans kept on refusing us access to the source. When we finally got permission, it was even worse.