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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 17 Feb, 2008 10:42 pm
Guess which "democratic" country has these fences to keep people inside (like a prison)?

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Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 18 Feb, 2008 10:37 am
CI, have you no pride in what you say? Israel is about keeping out suicide bombers, et al. Anyone may leave.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 18 Feb, 2008 11:51 am
Advocate wrote:
CI, have you no pride in what you say? Israel is about keeping out suicide bombers, et al. Anyone may leave.



Oh! And where do they go once they leave?
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Mon 18 Feb, 2008 11:58 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
Advocate wrote:
CI, have you no pride in what you say? Israel is about keeping out suicide bombers, et al. Anyone may leave.



Oh! And where do they go once they leave?


Wherever they want.
THere are no restrictions on where anyone goes when they leave Israel.
They are free to go wherever they can afford to go, anyplace in the world.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 18 Feb, 2008 12:03 pm
mysteryman wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
Advocate wrote:
CI, have you no pride in what you say? Israel is about keeping out suicide bombers, et al. Anyone may leave.



Oh! And where do they go once they leave?


Wherever they want.
THere are no restrictions on where anyone goes when they leave Israel.
They are free to go wherever they can afford to go, anyplace in the world.


Oh, you mean there's a catch; any place they can afford to go. You do live in a cacoon.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Mon 18 Feb, 2008 12:39 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
Advocate wrote:
CI, have you no pride in what you say? Israel is about keeping out suicide bombers, et al. Anyone may leave.



Oh! And where do they go once they leave?


Wherever they want.
THere are no restrictions on where anyone goes when they leave Israel.
They are free to go wherever they can afford to go, anyplace in the world.


Oh, you mean there's a catch; any place they can afford to go. You do live in a cacoon.


How is that a catch?
Dont you wait till you can afford to go before you travel?
Or do you just go, with no money or other means of support?

If someone wants to leave Israel, all it takes is them having the money to go.
Or are you suggesting that the Israeli govt pay for other people to travel?
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Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 18 Feb, 2008 01:00 pm
Israel is very cruel to their emigrants. It will not fund their departures.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 18 Feb, 2008 01:26 pm
You guys do live in a myopic world; Palestinians have problems making a living because a) they are not accorded the same funding for their schools, b) lack of job opportunities, and c) isolation. Most are barely eeking out a living to put food on the table.

Have you guys ever heard of Passport and VISA requirements to travel to other countries? Even with those in possession, which countries will accept them? Can you name one?
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Mon 18 Feb, 2008 02:28 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:

Have you guys ever heard of Passport and VISA requirements to travel to other countries? Even with those in possession, which countries will accept them? Can you name one?


Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Switzerland, and France.
Those are just a few countries that will accept Palestinian passports or issue visa's to palestinians.

Now, are you saying that Israel is somehow responsible for other countries accepting or not accepting Palestinian passports?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 18 Feb, 2008 02:41 pm
mm, Please show us some evidence that those countries you listed will accept Palestinians into their country as immigrants? Also, show us how Palestinians have the money to do so?
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Mon 18 Feb, 2008 03:00 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
mm, Please show us some evidence that those countries you listed will accept Palestinians into their country as immigrants? Also, show us how Palestinians have the money to do so?


You are arguing 2 very different things.

Before I answer you, are you saying that Israel is responsible for ensuring that Palestinians can travel overseas...Yes or no?
Are you saying that Israel is responsible for making sure that other countries will accept Palestinian immigrants...yes or no?

Quote:
There are no reliable data on refugee numbers, and no census has been taken of refugees in countries like Lebanon and Jordan in decades. The United Nations Relief Works Agency (UNRWA) acknowledges that its figures are unverified and, especially in the case of Lebanon, inflated. Of the 3.5 million UNRWA-registered refugees, 1.4 million already live in Palestinian-controlled territory (655,000 in the West Bank and 772,000 in Gaza). Another 1.5 million are in Jordan and have Jordanian citizenship; 350,000 are in Syria and are stateless; and 373,000 are in Lebanon, although the actual number of stateless Palestinians in Lebanon may be half that. Most refugees live outside of the refugee camps.


So there we have Jordan accepting AND giving citizenship to Palestinian immigrants.
That is one of the countries on my list.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 18 Feb, 2008 03:03 pm
mm, My questions are straight forward without any hidden agendas. Just answer the questions.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 18 Feb, 2008 03:07 pm
First group of 35 Palestinians leave Jordan for new life in Brazil
20 Sep 2007 16:49:00 GMT
AMMAN, Jordan, September 20 (UNHCR) - Thirty-five elated Palestinians boarded a plane at Amman's international airport on Thursday and flew off to a new life in Brazil after years of hardship in an isolated desert camp in Jordan.



When I visited Jordan, I saw those isolated desert camps. They're welcome in Jordan? Very funny!
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Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 18 Feb, 2008 04:05 pm
I doubt that many countries would welcome Pals. CI, should the USA offer to take them in?
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Mon 18 Feb, 2008 04:42 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
First group of 35 Palestinians leave Jordan for new life in Brazil
20 Sep 2007 16:49:00 GMT
AMMAN, Jordan, September 20 (UNHCR) - Thirty-five elated Palestinians boarded a plane at Amman's international airport on Thursday and flew off to a new life in Brazil after years of hardship in an isolated desert camp in Jordan.



When I visited Jordan, I saw those isolated desert camps. They're welcome in Jordan? Very funny!


So you have answered your own question.
Here we have Brazil allowing Palestinians to immigrate there.
So, your claim that no country will allow the Palestinians to come there has been proven false by your own post.

Now,answer my questions.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 18 Feb, 2008 08:15 pm
Israel is not using its walls and watch towers to keep Israel's Arab residents prisoner.

Israel is using its walls and watch towers to help keep mass murdering Palestinian Arabs from entering Israel and mass murdering Israel's residents.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 21 Feb, 2008 01:42 am
The UK's Labour government removed concerns over Israel's nuclear arsenal from their Iraq dossier to avoid any criticism of Israel it is reported today.

That dossier was made public this week, but the Foreign Office succeeded before a tribunal in having the mention of Israel kept secret.

That (handwritten) note said that "Israel has flouted the United Nations' authority in a manner similar to that of the Iraqi regime of Saddam Hussein".

Closed hearing and a secret ruling: how the word Israel was deleted
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blucher
 
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Reply Fri 22 Feb, 2008 12:19 am
You guys are all over the board with statements and 'facts'.

Time to clear the air. Israel has the bomb, refuses to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (which Iran has done long ago), has the 5th largest military establishment on Earth and you bet the Arab states are afraid. The Pal. militants-freedom fighters-terrorists always launch their attacks on military-civilian targets in RESPONSE to Israeli assassinations, air raids, tank assaults or bulldozers. The wall is a medieval mentality which the pal.s will blow holes in again and again.

As for immigration-emigration: Dual citizenship allows Israeli citizens to also be US citizens as is the case for Pal.s if they come via Jordanian citizenship. There are now roughly 5 million Israeli citizens (20% of which are Pal.s who live in Israel). There are roughly 5 million Pal.s living in and out of Palestine (W Bank-Gaza) and their birth rate is much higher. Time and demography will determine the day.

And though Armageddon began in 1918 (see Battle of Megiddo) and continues, it will end w/ accommodation no matter what attempts at ethnic cleansing the terrorist Pal.s and Israelis may entertain. We are in WWIII now.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 22 Feb, 2008 08:54 am
blucher wrote:
You guys are all over the board with statements and 'facts'.

Time to clear the air. Israel has the bomb, refuses to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (which Iran has done long ago), has the 5th largest military establishment on Earth and you bet the Arab states are afraid. The Pal. militants-freedom fighters-terrorists always launch their attacks on military-civilian targets in RESPONSE to Israeli assassinations, air raids, tank assaults or bulldozers. The wall is a medieval mentality which the pal.s will blow holes in again and again.

As for immigration-emigration: Dual citizenship allows Israeli citizens to also be US citizens as is the case for Pal.s if they come via Jordanian citizenship. There are now roughly 5 million Israeli citizens (20% of which are Pal.s who live in Israel). There are roughly 5 million Pal.s living in and out of Palestine (W Bank-Gaza) and their birth rate is much higher. Time and demography will determine the day.

And though Armageddon began in 1918 (see Battle of Megiddo) and continues, it will end w/ accommodation no matter what attempts at ethnic cleansing the terrorist Pal.s and Israelis may entertain. We are in WWIII now.


Okay, let's assume you have any idea what you are talking about. Could you please link to any instance, say in the last 40 years, in which Israel struck out, threatened, or attacked anybody other than in retaliation to hostile attacks initiated by their neighbors; i.e. kidnappings, bombings, rocket attacks, etc.?

Please take your time. Surely there is something. We'll wait.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Fri 22 Feb, 2008 08:59 am
blucher,
While your at it, please show where Israel has ever confirmed that they have nuclear wepaons.

As far as I know, they have never confirmed that fact.
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