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Thanks blatham.

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blatham wrote:

foxfyre wrote:
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It is refreshing to see at least some media reporting support for Israel and from Canada no less:

What non-rightwing media have you actually been following? Serious question. Yesterday, what was your reading/watching list? The suggestion you make above is so far from accurate or truthful that I'm quite befuddled at how you can make the suggestion in an educated forum and expect others to grant your credence. I'm NOT saying this to be mean.

Is the Toronto paper considered a rightwing source? I wasn't aware of that. Today I have posted from AP and UPI (neutral enough for you?), the Washington Post (nobody's idea of a rightwing rag), and the Toronto Star.

So what is wrong with the Toronto piece? Do they report the activities of their own citizens that inaccurately? Please show your sources showing how the information is inaccurate or untruthful.

All I said is that after days and days of mostly criticism of Israel in the media overall, I enjoyed seeing something at least acknowledging Israel's point of view and that at least some people in the world are on their side.

I didn't think you were being mean. I'm sure you weren't intending to be leftwing tunnelvisioned way off base either. Smile

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i wonder if foxfire has ever spent time at a jewish resort ?
a few years ago we attended conferene at grossinger' in the catskill's , and we had an absolutely wonderful time - we could and did (!) have pickled herring and smoked fish for breakfast !
of course , NO pork products were allowed on the premises - NO bacon and eggs for breakfast !
it was made quite clear , that anyone trying to bring pork products in , would be politely but firmly asked to leave .

they had separate milk and meat kitchens , and at the entrance to each kitchen someone was stationed to ensure that no milk dishes would enter the meat kitchen (and no meat dishes the milk kitchen) ; different types of china were being used to ensure there would be no mix-up .
unfortunately , grossinger's is no longer in existence - no more pickled herring for breakfast - unless we buy it at our danish deli .
hbg

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Foxfyre wrote:

blatham wrote:
foxfyre wrote:
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It is refreshing to see at least some media reporting support for Israel and from Canada no less:

What non-rightwing media have you actually been following? Serious question. Yesterday, what was your reading/watching list? The suggestion you make above is so far from accurate or truthful that I'm quite befuddled at how you can make the suggestion in an educated forum and expect others to grant your credence. I'm NOT saying this to be mean.

Is the Toronto paper considered a rightwing source? I wasn't aware of that. Today I have posted from AP and UPI (neutral enough for you?), the Washington Post (nobody's idea of a rightwing rag), and the Toronto Star.

So what is wrong with the Toronto piece? Do they report the activities of their own citizens that inaccurately? Please show your sources showing how the information is inaccurate or untruthful.

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All I said is that after days and days of mostly criticism of Israel in the media overall, I enjoyed seeing something at least acknowledging Israel's point of view and that at least some people in the world are on their side.

I didn't think you were being mean. I'm sure you weren't intending to be leftwing tunnelvisioned way off base either.

The question was...what was your reading/watching list for yesterday? For example, where did you find the link to that Toronto piece? Are you brave enough to keep track of your reading/watching over several days and post it here? I will.

I have no idea whether the Toronto Star has a bias in editorial comment or in coverage. It's not a paper I read. But for two decades, in Canada, first under Conrad Black and now under the Asper family, all of the daily papers they have owned (some 70% of Canada's dailies plus many weekly small papers) have been overwhelmingly pro-Israel with almost no corresponding commentary/coverage for, particularly, the Palestinians. Verify that with any Canadian here if you like.

So what is wrong with the Toronto piece? I made no commentary whatsoever on the Star piece. My commentary was, again, on your suggestions and claims in that post. You make it again...

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All I said is that after days and days of mostly criticism of Israel in the media overall, I enjoyed seeing something at least acknowledging Israel's point of view and that at least some people in the world are on their side.

What warrants "mostly", fox? Don't evade. Answer my question. Don't generalize. Give us specifics. What did you watch of CNN's coverage yesterday and the day before? What of ABC's? How many names of Israeli victims or soldiers were noted on CBS and how many Lebanese soldiers or civilian victims were noted on Fox?

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hamburger wrote:

i wonder if foxfire has ever spent time at a jewish resort ?
a few years ago we attended conferene at grossinger' in the catskill's , and we had an absolutely wonderful time - we could and did (!) have pickled herring and smoked fish for breakfast !
of course , NO pork products were allowed on the premises - NO bacon and eggs for breakfast !
it was made quite clear , that anyone trying to bring pork products in , would be politely but firmly asked to leave .

they had separate milk and meat kitchens , and at the entrance to each kitchen someone was stationed to ensure that no milk dishes would enter the meat kitchen (and no meat dishes the milk kitchen) ; different types of china were being used to ensure there would be no mix-up .
unfortunately , grossinger's is no longer in existence - no more pickled herring for breakfast - unless we buy it at our danish deli .
hbg

No I have not spent time at a Jewish resort, but I do have Jewish friends who occasionally come to dinner and I'm prepared to show them that everything I'm serving to them is 100% kosher. (They appreciate it and give me pointers though they aren't 100% fanatical about being kosher.) I love to eat at their house. Great food.

But why do you ask?

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Foxfyre wrote:

No I have not spent time at a Jewish resort, but I do have Jewish friends who occasionally come to dinner and I'm prepared to show them that everything I'm serving to them is 100% kosher.

A non-Jewish pesron can prepare a koscher meal Shocked

(This is at least for German Jews more than doubtful, and even secular Jewish websides advice to ask a Rabbi before doing so.)

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:
No I have not spent time at a Jewish resort, but I do have Jewish friends who occasionally come to dinner and I'm prepared to show them that everything I'm serving to them is 100% kosher.

A non-Jewish pesron can prepare a koscher meal

(This is at least for German Jews more than doubtful, and even secular Jewish websides advice to ask a Rabbi before doing so.)

S/he can if she has tolerant Jewish friends. As I pointed out in my remarks, these folks are not fanatical about being kosher or they probably would not have agreed to come to dinner at all. It helps if you put my comments into their full context before you question the veracity of what I post.

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I'd thought, my quotation clearly marked that it was a response to your 100% kosher.

I kindly ask you not to interprate something what I haven't answered too.

Again you said:

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to show them that everything I'm serving to them is 100% kosher

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Here's a good piece on some of the debate presently occuring in Israel...
http://www.forward.com/articles/8185

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Another topic is that the attacks weigh on Israeli business: especially tourism (main saison), farmers (main fruit picking season) and small factories (no supplies, no workers) make great losses.

(There's a report in today's Wall Street Journal Europe, and The Jesusalem Post reported similar some days ago.)

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Some of the confusion about pickles, I suppose, arises from the assumption that the Torah doesn't have much to say about them-- pickles are, after all, basically vegetables, which the dietary laws don't cover. But modern science has stepped in to cloud the issue. Polysorbates, derived from animal fat, are sometimes added to the pickle brine as an emulsifier. Anything derived from animals, no matter how remotely, is covered by the laws.

The procedures for having a product certified as kosher are fairly standardized. The manufacturer writes a letter describing the product to whatever Jewish organization in his area has the appropriate authority. Specific potential problems with the product are identified, an inspection of the plant is conducted, and an agreement is reached as to how the quality of agreements is to be controlled and how often the plant is to be reinspected. Once all that has been worked out, the authority issues a letter of permission, whereupon, I need hardly add, everything's kosher.

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blatham wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:
blatham wrote:
foxfyre wrote:
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It is refreshing to see at least some media reporting support for Israel and from Canada no less:

What non-rightwing media have you actually been following? Serious question. Yesterday, what was your reading/watching list? The suggestion you make above is so far from accurate or truthful that I'm quite befuddled at how you can make the suggestion in an educated forum and expect others to grant your credence. I'm NOT saying this to be mean.

Is the Toronto paper considered a rightwing source? I wasn't aware of that. Today I have posted from AP and UPI (neutral enough for you?), the Washington Post (nobody's idea of a rightwing rag), and the Toronto Star.

So what is wrong with the Toronto piece? Do they report the activities of their own citizens that inaccurately? Please show your sources showing how the information is inaccurate or untruthful.

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All I said is that after days and days of mostly criticism of Israel in the media overall, I enjoyed seeing something at least acknowledging Israel's point of view and that at least some people in the world are on their side.

I didn't think you were being mean. I'm sure you weren't intending to be leftwing tunnelvisioned way off base either.

The question was...what was your reading/watching list for yesterday? For example, where did you find the link to that Toronto piece? Are you brave enough to keep track of your reading/watching over several days and post it here? I will.

I have no idea whether the Toronto Star has a bias in editorial comment or in coverage. It's not a paper I read. But for two decades, in Canada, first under Conrad Black and now under the Asper family, all of the daily papers they have owned (some 70% of Canada's dailies plus many weekly small papers) have been overwhelmingly pro-Israel with almost no corresponding commentary/coverage for, particularly, the Palestinians. Verify that with any Canadian here if you like.

So what is wrong with the Toronto piece? I made no commentary whatsoever on the Star piece. My commentary was, again, on your suggestions and claims in that post. You make it again...

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All I said is that after days and days of mostly criticism of Israel in the media overall, I enjoyed seeing something at least acknowledging Israel's point of view and that at least some people in the world are on their side.

What warrants "mostly", fox? Don't evade. Answer my question. Don't generalize. Give us specifics. What did you watch of CNN's coverage yesterday and the day before? What of ABC's? How many names of Israeli victims or soldiers were noted on CBS and how many Lebanese soldiers or civilian victims were noted on Fox?

Well I don't generally read the Canadian papers on a regular basis, but I did take your usual critical screed to be a criticism of the post itself rather than my comment about it. I was apparently in error on that and I apologize for the error in perception. I should have expected your typical screed to be directed at me personally,

I generally consider 'mostly' to mean more than 'less' or 'fewer'. In this case I intended it to mean quite a bit more than less or fewer. How do you define 'mostly'?

I was referred to the Toronto Star piece in my morning e-mail. As a general rule, I at least scan headlines on both CNN and FNN websites, NY Times, Washington Post, Dallas Morning News, LA Times, run through the listings on Drudge and Real Clear Politics which always give the pros and cons of just about everything, sometimes check to see if there is anything interesting going on with Chris Hitchins and Anderew Sullivan, and otherwise have our local 24-hour new/talk radio station running in the background while I work. I read articles in more depth if I am looking for specific informaton or if they are particularly interesting. I rarely watch television news unless something special is going on like the Shuttle launch and landing. Is that specific enough for you?

It is my perception that there has been far more criticism of Israel in the MSM than there has been support shown for it. If you care to compile a comprehensive list showing this not to be so, then be my guest. Otherwise bite me.

I wonder if you ever read anything that even remotely smacks of a view contrary to yours other than to cherry pick quotes you can post and attack? So what's your routine to obtain the news of the day?

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I just saw the pictures of an aid and Red Cross convoi which was attacked by the Israelian air force (between 60 and 100 lorries and vans).
Two members of a German tv team joining this convoy (mostly sponsored by German charities) was only slightly hurtdue to their shootproof vests.

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

I just saw the pictures of an aid and Red Cross convoi which was attacked by the Israelian air force (between 60 and 100 lorries and vans).
Two members of a German tv team joining this convoy (mostly sponsored by German charities) was only slightly hurtdue to their shootproof vests.

That's one of the ugliest parts of war, Walter, and why all reasonable people hate war. There's just no way to say that stuff like that is supposed to happen or that it's a good thing.

I wonder though if you're getting pictures of the damage Hezbollah rockets are doing in Israel? I find a few here and there but they are hard to come by here.

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Foxfyre wrote:

I wonder though if you're getting pictures of the damage Hezbollah rockets are doing in Israel? I find a few here and there but they are hard to come by here.

Every evening in both main program's in their two main news shows (as well as quite often in the hourly news): both public station have offices in Haifa. As have the public radio stations.
(That above mentioned tv-team is from a private news channel, N24. The mainly deliver their news for private channels as well as for their own newschannel.)

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Foxfyre wrote:

No I have not spent time at a Jewish resort, but I do have Jewish friends who occasionally come to dinner and I'm prepared to show them that everything I'm serving to them is 100% kosher. (They appreciate it and give me pointers though they aren't 100% fanatical about being kosher.) I love to eat at their house. Great food.

But why do you ask?

This is so like totally weirdness, like twilight Zone coincidence for I also have some jewsih friends (2 are bankers and the other 2 are lawyers but enough with the sterotyping) who have dinned with us (they are insrtucted to park on the side street and use the back door because I also have neighborhood friends who are illegal alien mexicans and are suspicious of forigners. Anyway, I always serve my jewish friends pork rinds while telling them they are eating matsa bread, This is so funny. I crack me up sometimes.

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A new movement in Israel demands that an establishment - a grocery store or restaurant - will only be considered fully kosher if its employees are paid a decent wage and treated fairly, and there is access for the handicapped.
I now understand why most american jews are democrats.

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blatham wrote:

foxfyre wrote:
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It is refreshing to see at least some media reporting support for Israel and from Canada no less:

What non-rightwing media have you actually been following? Serious question. Yesterday, what was your reading/watching list? The suggestion you make above is so far from accurate or truthful that I'm quite befuddled at how you can make the suggestion in an educated forum and expect others to grant your credence. I'm NOT saying this to be mean.

Shall I conclude from this that all "right thinking" media are staunchly anti-Israel in this matter? Is that the contemporary version of correct thought on the matter?

By all recognized standards of international law the repeated rocket attacks on Israel, launched from Lebanon, constitute an act of war by that country. This is true regardless of whether or not you believe (or assume) that the government of Lebanon was directly complicit in the attacks. The truth of this, one way or another, would be extremely difficult to establish in any event. Israel has a right to defend itself, even if you don't agree with its past actions with respect to the West Bank and other areas.

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Foxfyre wrote:

I wonder though if you're getting pictures of the damage Hezbollah rockets are doing in Israel? I find a few here and there but they are hard to come by here.

The Israelian Government Press Office (GPO) offers "all-inclusive-tours" for journalists every day: interview with a minister, tour through some bombed regions, interviews with soldiers/relatives of killled soldiers, eyewitnesses etc.
No translator needed since interview partners are presented who speak fluently English, French, German, Russian and Spainish. (The Wednesday email by GPO announced 19 various tours through war regions!)

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foxfire :
i believe you wrote :
"...Some years ago, there was a rumor circulating that Islamic people who come into contact with pig fat are required to undergo an extensive two week purification process; otherwise they go to Islamic hell because they have been defiled with pork.

Now this was pure rumor, and I have never been able to verify it, but if true. . . . . .then why don't we just spray them with bacon grease or something every week or so and keep them busy purifying themselves and afraid to wage war? "
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that made me ask the question re jewish resort and food serving requirements .
i asssume you would not have approved , if someone had suggested that both the arabs and the israelis be sprayed with bacon fat ?
you may not realize this , but strictly kosher jews - and that was the case at grossinger's - would destroy any utensils that cannot be purified if "contaminated" (blood/meat and milk mixed , or contact with pork).
from what i recall , we were told when we were invited to visit the kitchen , that at least once a year all metal pots would be treated with a blowtorch to eliminate any possible contamination .
one thing we were sure about , their food was outstanding - but many non-jewish americans were not happy with the cuisine - as i said : no bacon and eggs .
hbg

ps. not that it really has anything to do with the topic of this thread ; it's kind of frivolous .

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