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Advocate
 
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Reply Wed 12 Dec, 2007 11:33 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Advocate wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
ican, If you call the walls of Bethlehem "not subjugation," you're about as stupid as they come.



I guess you feel that Israel should just put out the welcome mat for the Pal suicide bombers.


Ever heard of 'turning the other cheek?'

Gotta give a little to get a little

Cycloptichorn



Yeah, what is a little slap on the cheek?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 12 Dec, 2007 11:42 am
Advocate wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Advocate wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
ican, If you call the walls of Bethlehem "not subjugation," you're about as stupid as they come.



I guess you feel that Israel should just put out the welcome mat for the Pal suicide bombers.


Ever heard of 'turning the other cheek?'

Gotta give a little to get a little

Cycloptichorn



Yeah, what is a little slap on the cheek?


Gotta think in the long run. Hatfield-MCcoy doesn't benefit anyone.

Cycloptichorn
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 12 Dec, 2007 03:03 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Advocate wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
ican, If you call the walls of Bethlehem "not subjugation," you're about as stupid as they come.



I guess you feel that Israel should just put out the welcome mat for the Pal suicide bombers.


Ever heard of 'turning the other cheek?'

Gotta give a little to get a little

Cycloptichorn
Allowing the other guy to destroy you and/or your family doesn't leave you and/or your family with a cheek to turn.

However, the Israelis have multiple times offered to turn their cheeks not yet destroyed in exchange for the Palestinian Arabs doing the same: that is, recognizing Israel's right to exist.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 12 Dec, 2007 03:57 pm
ican: Allowing the other guy to destroy you and/or your family doesn't leave you and/or your family with a cheek to turn.

You have described the Palestinian position very well.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Wed 12 Dec, 2007 05:00 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
ican: Allowing the other guy to destroy you and/or your family doesn't leave you and/or your family with a cheek to turn.

You have described the Palestinian position very well.


CI, come on! That's a witless reply.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 12 Dec, 2007 05:14 pm
Why is it witless? You evidently have no clue how Palestinians must live in Israel.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 12 Dec, 2007 05:41 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Why is it witless? You evidently have no clue how Palestinians must live in Israel.

Arabs living in Israel live well. Arabs living outside of Israel generally live poorly. After Arabs not living in Israel end their savage and witless effort to destroy Israeli cheeks, they will live much better.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 12 Dec, 2007 05:46 pm
Sure. Go live in Israel as a Palestinian.


No life on the other side

By Haaretz Editorial

It is difficult for Israelis who move freely throughout their country to understand Palestinian life in the West Bank, which becomes more difficult from year to year, from one agreement to the next. After it was decided to remove West Bank roadblocks to allow for movement that does not endanger Israeli security, it turned out that additional surprise roadblocks had been established.

In the last month alone, 546 roadblocks were counted, in addition to various procedures, magnetic cards, enclaves that non-Jews are prohibited from accessing and roads that only settlers are allowed to use - conditions that generate a frustrating uncertainty for the Palestinians.

Even a government that, due to its weakness, is not currently capable of working to resolve the conflict with the Palestinians cannot free itself of its obligation to manage the occupied territories in a way that enables people to live there. The Palestinian population cannot wait patiently for the final Winograd report on the Second Lebanon War or the results of the Labor Party primaries, because in the meantime it is living in the cruel reality described in the World Bank report released this week. The particularly harsh report shows that Israel continues to take into consideration only the settlers' needs, while abrogating even the minimal needs of the Palestinians.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 12 Dec, 2007 06:53 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Sure. Go live in Israel as a Palestinian.


No life on the other side

By Haaretz Editorial

It is difficult for Israelis who move freely throughout their country to understand Palestinian life in the West Bank, which becomes more difficult from year to year, from one agreement to the next. After it was decided to remove West Bank roadblocks to allow for movement that does not endanger Israeli security, it turned out that additional surprise roadblocks had been established.

In the last month alone, 546 roadblocks were counted, in addition to various procedures, magnetic cards, enclaves that non-Jews are prohibited from accessing and roads that only settlers are allowed to use - conditions that generate a frustrating uncertainty for the Palestinians.

Even a government that, due to its weakness, is not currently capable of working to resolve the conflict with the Palestinians cannot free itself of its obligation to manage the occupied territories in a way that enables people to live there. The Palestinian population cannot wait patiently for the final Winograd report on the Second Lebanon War or the results of the Labor Party primaries, because in the meantime it is living in the cruel reality described in the World Bank report released this week. The particularly harsh report shows that Israel continues to take into consideration only the settlers' needs, while abrogating even the minimal needs of the Palestinians.

Israel prior to the 1967 war did not include the West Bank. Consequently those Arabs living in the West Bank are living in occupied land not part of Israel. Life for most of those Arabs is probably hell or close to it. Their problem would be solved rapidly if the Arabs in Palestine, not in Israel, accepted Israel's right to exist by not trying to kill Israelis.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 12 Dec, 2007 06:56 pm
ican, Get your head out of that dark place; it's now 2007, December.

Now and the future is what's important. Subjugation will not work - not today, not tomorrow.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 12 Dec, 2007 07:43 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
ican, Get your head out of that dark place; it's now 2007, December.

Now and the future is what's important. Subjugation will not work - not today, not tomorrow.

The Palestinian, non-Israeli Arab problem would be solved rapidly TODAY AS WELL AS TOMORROW, if the Arabs in Palestine and not in Israel, accepted Israel's right to exist by not trying to kill Israelis.

"Time is a wasting!"

Cice, get your head out of your dark place; it's now 2007, December 12.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 12 Dec, 2007 09:12 pm
ican, Subjugation works for the short-term. It only creates hate and suicide bombers. Try living as a Paletinian in Israel - if you dare.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 12 Dec, 2007 09:43 pm
Why did Israel expel the Palestinians?

In part to remove a potential fifth column. In part to obtain their property. In part to make room for more Jewish immigrants. But mostly because the notion of a Jewish state with a large non-Jewish minority was extremely awkward for Israeli leaders. Indeed, because Israel took over some territory intended for the Palestinian state, there had actually been an Arab majority living within the borders of Israel. Nor was the idea of expelling Palestinians something that just emerged in the 1948 war. In 1937, Ben Gurion had written to his son, "We will expel the Arabs and take their places ... with the force at our disposal."11
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Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 09:40 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
Why is it witless? You evidently have no clue how Palestinians must live in Israel.


It is witless because it is just another baseless assertion. Israel is not the aggressor, and only attacks in defense or, now and then, retaliation. The opposite is true for the Pals.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 11:35 am
Advocate, Your understanding of "aggressor" have lost all sense of meaning. Your brain is calcified too badly for you to see what is so evident.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 02:46 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
ican, Subjugation works for the short-term. It only creates hate and suicide bombers. Try living as a Paletinian in Israel - if you dare.

The Palestinian Arabs have been mass murdering Jews in Palestine since 1920. The Jews in Palestine did not start fighting back until 1929.

You wrote: "Subjugation works for the short-term. It only creates hate and suicide bombers."

The Arab hate and suicide bombers were created by the failure of the Jews to not die or not flee Palestine and instead fight back and establish their own state.

1918 AD:British Protectorate of Palestine Begins.
1920 AD:5 Jews killed 200 wounded in anti-zionist riots in Palestine.
1921 AD:46 Jews killed 146 wounded in anti-zionist riots in Palestine.
1929 AD:133 Jews killed 339 wounded
1929 AD:116 Arabs killed 232 wounded.
1936,38,39 AD:329 Jews killed 857 wounded
1936,38,39 AD:3,112 Arabs killed 1,775 wounded
1936,38,39 AD:135 Brits killed 386 wounded.
1936,38,39 AD:110 Arabs hanged 5,679 jailed.
1944 AD:Jews murdered Lord Moyne.
1947 AD:UN resolution partitions Palestine into a Jewish and an Arab State.
1948 AD:Civil war breaks out between Jews and Arabs.
1948 AD:State of Israel conquers part of Palestine.

The Palestinian Arabs showed their sick hatred of Jews 9 years before the Jews decided they had had enough and fought back.

The Palestinian, non-Israeli Arab problem would be solved rapidly, if the Arabs in Palestine, but not in Israel, accepted Israel's right to exist and stopped trying to kill Israelis.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 03:01 pm
Q: How many Israelis killed and how many palestinians killed since the state of Israel created?


Answer

Its difficult to answer this question with exact figures, but there has been a much higher palestinian casuality rate in all of the arab-israeli conflicts than israelis. Tha vast majority of the killed palestinians were civillians, also there has been indirect casualities of this conflict due to for example blockades (pregnant woman couldnt reach the hospital, ect..).
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 06:05 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Q: How many Israelis killed and how many palestinians killed since the state of Israel created?


Answer

Its difficult to answer this question with exact figures, but there has been a much higher palestinian casuality rate in all of the arab-israeli conflicts than israelis. Tha vast majority of the killed palestinians were civillians, also there has been indirect casualities of this conflict due to for example blockades (pregnant woman couldnt reach the hospital, ect..).

None of this killing would have occurred had the non-Israeli Palestinian Arabs (NIPA) accepted and not fought the UN resolution in 1947 that called for two Palestinian states to be established: one for the Arabs; and, one for the Jews. Since then the NIPA had many chances to curtail the killing by accepting the UN's 1947 resolution. They have that chance again now. Until they accept that resolution they will continue to "reap what they sew."
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 06:57 pm
Why have none of the Arab countries allowed the Palestinians to assimilate into their populations?
Why have the Arab countries kept the Palestinians in camps?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 14 Dec, 2007 12:57 am
mysteryman wrote:
Why have none of the Arab countries allowed the Palestinians to assimilate into their populations?
Why have the Arab countries kept the Palestinians in camps?


I suggest, you read a bit about the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.
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