ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

Here is a video of a young Arab girl being kicked and stoned to death. Should Israel welcome the attackers into the country.

http://video.aol.com/video/iraq-stoning-death-investigation/1908609

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Advocate, Do you understand the difference between fundamentalism/extremist vs orthodox? Show us where no christian has never kicked and/or killed a girl or woman.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Advocate, Do you understand the difference between fundamentalism/extremist vs orthodox? Show us where no christian has never kicked and/or killed a girl or woman.

Show us where Christians make a habit of it,like some of the Muslim sects do.

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Ever hear about the inquisition?

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In Northern Ireland, "the troubles" are partly rooted in Catholic/Protestant differences, partly in political allegiances, and probably partly in hatreds that go back so far that the exact reason is lost in the mists of time.
The Rwanda genocide was mainly between the Hutu majority and the Tutsi minority. The religious split in the country (75% Christian, 25% indigenous) appears to not have been a significant factor.
The war in Bosnia-Herzegovina was among three faith groups, (Muslim, Roman Catholic, and Serbian Orthodox).
The horrendous civil war in Sudan has a significant religious component. But inter-tribal warfare, racial and language conflicts are also involved.

A group of world religious leaders from the Buddhist, Protestant, Catholic and Orthodox Christian, Jewish, Muslim and many other faiths met in Geneva Switzerland during 1999-OCT. They issued a document, The Geneva Spiritual Appeal, asking political and religious leaders and organizations to ensure that religions are not used to justify violence in the future. Delegates believed that that then-current 56 conflicts have religious elements.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Ever hear about the inquisition?

So,you are saying that what happened several hundred years ago has some bearing on today?

OK,then using your logic,it is OK for the French and the Spanish to invade and destroy the middle east.
After all,both countries were invaded and almost destroyed by the Moslems several hundred years ago,BEFORE the inquisition.

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Well, if you don't like history, what's happening with the Muslims today will eventually become history too!

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Well, if you don't like history, what's happening with the Muslims today will eventually become history too!

What is happening in the Arab world is here and now, and there are no signs that it is being abated. You are talking about ancient history and primitive African people.

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That's what they thought about the inquisition too!

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Well, if you don't like history, what's happening with the Muslims today will eventually become history too!

But you inferred that we could use ancient history to justify actions today.

Can we or cant we?

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YOu ever hear the term "history repeats itself?" It's one of life's truisms. You should memorize it.

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Advocate wrote:

Ican, how can Israel ever agree to a greater Palestine? In virtually every Arab country, minorities are persecuted, and there is tremendous friction between the diffent sects. The Jews would be crazy to accept this.

What are you smoking?

What I imbibe (or don't imbibe) is not the reason for my recommendation! Smile

I'm just trying to figure out how to reduce the Palestine mess.

How is what you describe different from the status quo? There is now tremendous friction between Israel and the non-Israeli palestinian arabs. I see that friction as unstable and much more likely to grow worse than better. Something has got to change to make things better. Enough courage to take the risks of evolving to an all Palestine Israel, if and only if the non-Israeli palestinian arabs willingly declare Israel's right to exist, is required by the Israelis to change the current situation for the better.

My theory is the Israelis are more likely to motivate the non-Israeli arabs to act more like the Israeli arabs by including them in Israel than by excluding them. I use the behavior of the Israeli arabs as some circumstantial evidence to support the belief that it is worth taking the risk to test my theory. Of course, once the rest of Palestine is incorporated into Israel, the current non-Israeli palestinian arabs must help suppress the terrorists among them.

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There is a saying that you should never bet the farm. The risk you mention would be a terrible, and losing, gamble by Israel. I think everyone in that area would tell you that an open Israel would quickly lead to the demise of Israel. What a lousy bet that would be.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

YOu ever hear the term "history repeats itself?" It's one of life's truisms. You should memorize it.

So then everything happening in the last 100 years has happened before?

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Study your world history.

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Advocate wrote:

There is a saying that you should never bet the farm. The risk you mention would be a terrible, and losing, gamble by Israel. I think everyone in that area would tell you that an open Israel would quickly lead to the demise of Israel. What a lousy bet that would be.

OK!

What is the risk of maintaining the current situation?

Or, do you have a different recommendation?

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Advocate wrote:

There is a saying that you should never bet the farm. The risk you mention would be a terrible, and losing, gamble by Israel. I think everyone in that area would tell you that an open Israel would quickly lead to the demise of Israel. What a lousy bet that would be.

Interesting argument. One could apply it to the United States as well. We may be betting our farm on a committment to one side (Israel) in a struggle involving parties all of whom have founding principles antithetical to our own. Moreover we have nothing whatever to gain in the outcome, and very little potential to influence any of the contending parties.

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georgeob1 wrote:

Advocate wrote:
There is a saying that you should never bet the farm. The risk you mention would be a terrible, and losing, gamble by Israel. I think everyone in that area would tell you that an open Israel would quickly lead to the demise of Israel. What a lousy bet that would be.

Interesting argument. One could apply it to the United States as well. We may be betting our farm on a committment to one side (Israel) in a struggle involving parties all of whom have founding principles antithetical to our own. Moreover we have nothing whatever to gain in the outcome, and very little potential to influence any of the contending parties.

George, you allege: "we have nothing whatever to gain in the outcome."

I think that depends on the nature of the outcome.

Peace and civility in Israel could lead to peace and civility in the Middle East. If so, we could gain our own peace and civility from that.

Of course we could pretend to already have our own peace and civility if we would only pretend what happens in the rest of the world will not affect our peace and civility.

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ican711nm wrote:

Advocate wrote:
There is a saying that you should never bet the farm. The risk you mention would be a terrible, and losing, gamble by Israel. I think everyone in that area would tell you that an open Israel would quickly lead to the demise of Israel. What a lousy bet that would be.

OK!

What is the risk of maintaining the current situation?

Or, do you have a different recommendation?

If I had the answer, I would be as rich as Bill Gates. I don't think anyone has a lock on the Arab mind. Just look at what they have done to each other.

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Advocate wrote:

ican711nm wrote:
Advocate wrote:
There is a saying that you should never bet the farm. The risk you mention would be a terrible, and losing, gamble by Israel. I think everyone in that area would tell you that an open Israel would quickly lead to the demise of Israel. What a lousy bet that would be.

OK!

What is the risk of maintaining the current situation?

Or, do you have a different recommendation?

If I had the answer, I would be as rich as Bill Gates. I don't think anyone has a lock on the Arab mind. Just look at what they have done to each other.

Obviously, you don't think a willing declaration by the non-Israeli palestinian arabs that Israel has a right to exist, is a sufficient condition for Israel to take the risk. Yet you are not willing yourself to even take the risk (whatever that is) of speculating on what might be a better solution.

Frankly, that surprises me!

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