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ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

 
 
dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 8 May, 2007 03:15 pm
as if the situation in the mid-east weren't bad enough we have this development;

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revel
 
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Reply Tue 8 May, 2007 04:46 pm
georgeob1 wrote:
No. I am aware of all that you have cited here. I am skeptical of the open ended references to other sources of so called "Humanitarian Law". Apart from signed treaties there are none others than those cited.


Are you referring to the "customary international humanitarian law" when you speak of "open ended references to other sources of so called "Humanitarian Law"?

(Aw, we didn't used to have such disregard for treaties and conventions and the rule of law.)

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International humanitarian law and war crimes

International humanitarian law is the body of rules and principles which seek to protect those who are not participating in the hostilities, including civilians but also combatants who are wounded or captured. It limits the means and methods of conducting military operations. Its central purpose is to limit, to the extent feasible, human suffering in times of armed conflict.

The four Geneva Conventions of 1949 and their two Additional Protocols of 1977 are the principal instruments of international humanitarian law. Israel and Lebanon are both parties to the 1949 Geneva Conventions. Only Lebanon is a party to the Protocol I relating to the Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts (Protocol I - adopted in 1977). Grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions and of Protocol I are war crimes. As an armed group, Hizbullah is not a party to international conventions. But it is a party to the conflict and it and its members are bound by applicable customary international humanitarian law. The fundamental provisions of Protocol I, including the rules cited below (unless otherwise noted) are considered part of customary international law and are therefore binding on all parties to the conflict. The rules of customary international humanitarian law are largely reflected in Article 8 of the Rome Statute. For example, the US delegate to the UN Preparatory Commission for the International Criminal Court expressly stated in June 2000 that the adoption of the Elements of Crimes further defining Article 8 "was an historic accomplishment that cannot be overstated" and that the USA was "happy to join consensus in agreeing that this elements of crimes document correctly reflects international law".


http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE150702006


So; although it appears Israel did not sign Protocol 1 relating to the Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts; Israel is still bound by customary international humanitarian law because apparently all armed conflict parties are bound by customary international humanitarian law which are "largely reflected in Article 8."

(note the USA "was happy to join consensus in agreeing that this elements of crimes document correctly reflects international law.")
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 8 May, 2007 04:48 pm
Laws don't mean much when it's broken and there is nobody to enforce it.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2007 09:58 am
Hezbollah Builds A Western Base

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Written by Pablo Gato and Robert Windrem
Wednesday, 09 May 2007
CIUDAD DEL ESTE, Paraguay - The Iranian-backed Hezbollah militia has taken root in South America, fostering a well-financed force of Islamist radicals boiling with hatred for the United States and ready to die to prove it, according to militia members, U.S. officials and police agencies across the continent.

From its Western base in a remote region divided by the borders of Paraguay, Brazil and Argentina known as the Tri-border, or the Triple Frontier,

Hezbollah has mined the frustrations of many Muslims among about 25,000 Arab residents whose families immigrated mainly from Lebanon in two waves, after the 1948 Arab-Israeli war and after the 1985 Lebanese civil war.
An investigation by Telemundo and NBC News has uncovered details of an extensive smuggling network run by Hezbollah, a Shiite Muslim group founded in Lebanon in 1982 that the United States has labeled an international terrorist organization. The operation funnels large sums of money to militia leaders in the Middle East and finances training camps, propaganda operations and bomb attacks in South America, according to U.S. and South American officials.

U.S. officials fear that poorly patrolled borders and rampant corruption in the Tri-border region could make it easy for Hezbollah terrorists to infiltrate the southern U.S. border. From the largely lawless region, it is easy for potential terrorists, without detection, to book passage to the United States through Brazil and then Mexico simply by posing as tourists.

They are men like Mustafa Khalil Meri, a young Arab Muslim whom Telemundo interviewed in Ciudad del Este, Paraguay's second-largest city and the center of the Tri-border region. There is nothing particularly distinctive about him, but beneath the everyday T-shirt he wears beats the heart of a devoted Hezbollah militiaman.

"If he attacks Iran, in two minutes Bush is dead," Meri said. "We are Muslims. I am Hezbollah. We are Muslims, and we will defend our countries at any time they are attacked."



Straight shot to the U.S.
U.S. and South American officials warn that Meri's is more than a rhetorical threat.

It is surprisingly easy to move across borders in the Triple Frontier, where motorbikes are permitted to cross without documents. A smuggler can bike from Paraguay into Brazil and return without ever being asked for a passport, and it is not much harder for cars and trucks.



The implications of such lawlessness could be dire, U.S. and Paraguayan officials said. Rep. Silvestre Reyes, D-Texas, chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, said Hezbollah militiamen would raise no suspicions because they have Latin American passports, speak Spanish and look like Hispanic tourists.

The CIA singles out the Mexican border as an especially inviting target for Hezbollah operatives. "Many alien smuggling networks that facilitate the movement of non-Mexicans have established links to Muslim communities in Mexico," its Counter Terrorism Center said in a 2004 threat paper.

"Non-Mexicans often are more difficult to intercept because they typically pay high-end smugglers a large sum of money to efficiently assist them across the border, rather than haphazardly traverse it on their own."

Deadly legacy of a lawless frontier
Since the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, the Tri-border has become a top-level, if little-publicized, concern for Washington, particularly as tension mounts with Iran, Hezbollah's main sponsor. Paraguayan government officials told Telemundo that CIA operatives and agents of Israel's Mossad security force were known to be in the region seeking to neutralize what they believe could be an imminent threat.

But long before that, U.S. law enforcement and intelligence agencies regarded the region as a "free zone for significant criminal activity, including people who are organized to commit acts of terrorism," Louis Freeh, then the director of the FBI, said in 1998.

Edward Luttwak, a counterterrorism expert with the Pentagon's National Security Study Group, described the Tri-border as the most important base for Hezbollah outside Lebanon itself, home to "a community of dangerous fanatics that send their money for financial support to Hezbollah."

"People kill with that, and they have planned terrorist attacks from there," said Luttwak, who has been a terrorism consultant to the CIA and the National Security Council. "The northern region of Argentina, the eastern region of Paraguay and even Brazil are large terrains, and they have an organized training and recruitment camp for terrorists."

"Our experience is that if you see one roach, there are a lot more," said Frank Urbancic, principal deputy director of the State Department's counterterrorism office, who has spent most of his career in the Middle East.

A mother lode of money
Operating out of the Tri-border, Hezbollah is accused of killing more than 100 people in attacks in nearby Buenos Aires, Argentina, during the early 1990s in operations personally masterminded by Hezbollah's military commander, Imad Mugniyah.

Mugniyah is on the most-wanted terrorist lists of both the FBI and the European Union, and he is believed to work frequently out of Ciudad del Este.

For President Bush and the U.S.-led "war on terror," the flourishing of Hezbollah in the Western Hemisphere demonstrates the worrying worldwide reach of Islamist radicalism. In the Tri-border, Hezbollah and other radical anti-U.S. groups have found a lucrative base from which to finance many of their operations.

Smuggling has long been the lifeblood of the Tri-border, accounting for $2 billion to $3 billion in the region, according to congressional officials. Several U.S. agencies said that Arab merchants were involved in smuggling cigarettes and livestock to avoid taxes, as well as cocaine and marijuana through the border with Brazil on their way to Europe. Some of the proceeds are sent to Hezbollah, they said.

Many Arabs in the Tri-border openly acknowledge that they send money to Hezbollah to help their families, and the man in charge of the local mosque in Ciudad del Este, who asked not to be identified by name, declared that Shiite Muslim mosques had "an obligation to finance it."

But the U.S. government maintains that the money ends up stained with blood when it goes through Hezbollah, which is blamed for the bombings of the U.S. Embassy and the Marine barracks in Beirut, Lebanon, in the 1980s, as well as the kidnappings of Americans, two of whom were tortured and killed.

Patrick M. O'Brien, the assistant secretary of the Treasury in charge of fighting terrorist financing, acknowledged flatly that "we are worried."

"Hezbollah has penetrated the area, and part of that smuggling money is used to finance terrorist attacks," he said.



In Paraguay, looking the other way
The biggest obstacle in the U.S. campaign to counter Hezbollah close to home is Paraguay, whose "judicial system remains severely hampered by a lack of strong anti-money laundering and counter-terrorism legislation," the State Department said in a "Patterns of Global Terrorism" report.

Since 2004, a draft bill to strengthen money laundering laws has been stalled in the Paraguayan legislature, and the government of President Nicanor Duarte has introduced no draft legislation of its own.

Hampering reform efforts is an endemic reluctance in Paraguay to acknowledge the problem.

Interior Minister Rogelio Benitez Vargas, who supervises the national police, claimed that Hezbollah-linked smuggling was a relic of the 1980s. Today, he said, the Triple Frontier is a safe and regulated "commercial paradise."

But authorities from the U.S. State and Treasury departments to Interpol to the front-line Paraguayan police agencies all paint a different picture. Eduardo Arce, secretary of the Paraguayan Union of Journalists, said the government was widely considered to be under the control of drug traffickers and smugglers.

Without interference, thousands of people cross the River Parana every day from Paraguay to Brazil over the Bridge of Friendship loaded with products on which they pay no taxes. As police look the other way, he said, some smugglers cross the border 10 to 20 times a day. Earlier this year, Telemundo cameras were present as smugglers in Ciudad del Este loaded trucks headed for Brazil. They could have been laden with drugs or weapons, but no authorities ever checked.

Direct link to Iran alleged
José Adasco knows better than most why Hezbollah has the region in a grip of fear.

In 1992 and 1994, terrorists believed to be linked to Hezbollah carried out two attacks against Jewish targets in Buenos Aires, the Argentine capital. In the first, a car bomb exploded at the Israeli Embassy, killing 29 people. Two years later, a suicide bomber attacked the Argentine Israelite Mutual Association, a Jewish community center, killing 85 more.

Adasco, who represents the Jewish association, has never been able to forget that day and the friends he lost.

"Really, to see the knocked-down building, [to hear] the screams, the cries, people running - it was total chaos. Chaos, chaos. It is inexpressible," he said.

An investigation by Interpol and the FBI found not only Hezbollah's involvement, but Iran's, as well. The Argentine prosecutor's office said the Iranian president at the time, Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, ordered the attack to retaliate against Argentina for suspending nuclear cooperation with Iran.

A warrant for Rafsanjani's arrest remains outstanding, and the prosecutor's office continues its investigation 13 years later.

Hezbollah tells its story
Alberto Nisman, the Argentine district attorney leading the investigation, said the connection between the Hezbollah attack and the Tri-border is unquestionable. Among other things, he said, the suicide bomber passed through the area to receive instructions.

In the intervening years, Hezbollah has spread throughout Latin America.

On their Web page, local Hezbollah militants in Venezuela call their fight against the United States a "holy war" and post photographs of would-be suicide terrorists with masks and bombs. There are also Web sites for Hezbollah in Chile, El Salvador, Argentina and most other Latin American countries.

"The Paraguayan justice [ministry] and the national police have found propaganda materials for Hezbollah" across the hemisphere, said Augusto Anibal Lima of Paraguay's Tri-border Police.

And it is not only propaganda. In October, homemade bombs were left in front of the U.S. Embassy in Caracas, Venezuela, which is next to a school.

Police arrested a student carrying Hezbollah propaganda in Spanish. One of the pamphlets showed a picture of children and said, "Combat is our highest expression of love and the only way to offer a healthy and uncorrupted world."

Caracas police were able to detonate the bombs safely. Police Commissioner Wilfredo Borras said they appeared to be "explosive devices made to make noise and publicity" - very different from what would be used if the United States attacked Iran.

"In [the] United States, there are many Arabs - in Canada, too," said Meri, the Hezbollah member who spoke with Telemundo. "If one bomb [strikes] Iran, one bomb, [Bush] will see the world burning.

"... If an order arrives, all the Arabs that are here, in other parts in the world, all will go to take bombs, bombs for everybody if he bombs Iran."
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Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2007 12:58 pm
May 10, 2007 at 07:29:04

Hamas: "The extermination of the Jews is good for the inhabitants of the world."

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http://www.opednews.com




Itamar Marcus and Barbara Crook, Palestinian Media Watch Bulletin, May 3, 2007

The extermination of Jews is Allah's will and is for the benefit of all humanity, according to an article in the Hamas paper, Al-Risalah. The author of the article, Kan'an Ubayd, explains that the suicide operations carried out by Hamas are being committed solely to fulfill Allah's wishes. Furthermore, Allah demanded this action, because "the extermination of the Jews is good for the inhabitants of the worlds."


The killing of innocent Jews by terrorist attacks is portrayed as Allah's plan for the benefit of humanity.

It should be noted that Hamas' justification for the extermination of Jews, both as God's will and for the benefit of humanity, echoes Hitler's words in Mein Kampf:

In this case the only salvation remaining was war… If the Jew with the help of his Marxist creed is victorious over the peoples of this world, then his crown will be the funeral wreath of humanity… Thus I believe today that I am acting according to the will of the almighty Creator: when I defend myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord." ("Mein Kampf")

In another parallel to the Nazi genocide of Jews, the writer says he wants to be sure that "everyone will know" that these murderous actions are "not of [Hamas's] own accord" - an echo of the Nazi war criminals' repeated justification of their actions with the defense that they were only following orders.

The fact that these orders are said to be divine in nature makes Hamas's justification for the murder of Jews even more ominous. Following is the excerpt from the Hamas article:

"We find more than once condemnation and denunciation to the resistance operations and bombings [suicide attacks], carried out by Hamas and the Palestinian resistance branches. There is no other choice but to use restraint regarding the condemnation, the attaching of the label of terror [to "resistance"], and the assembling of conferences [for] condemnation [of the attacks]. [This] so that everyone will know, that we did this only because our lord commanded so, "I did it not of my own accord" [*] and so that people will know that the extermination of Jews is good for the inhabitants of the worlds on a land, to which Allah gave his blessing for the sake of the inhabitants of the worlds." [Al-Risalah, April 23, 2007]

[*] Translation of Quranic verse taken from USC Compendium of Muslim Texts.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2007 02:02 pm
Advocte, Do you think articles about the termination of Jews is a widespread belief of all Muslims/Arabs?
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Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2007 02:13 pm
It is pretty widespread. This is indicated by the popularity of Hezbollah and Hamas, which have this view. Consider also that the leader of Iran, who is not being booted or reprimanded by the mullahs, pushes this view.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2007 02:28 pm
I agree the rhetoric is quite radical and is generally comparable to that of other Islamists with respect to the West and the United States specifically.

That, however, doesn't justify or rationalize the unwise, unjust, and infeasible policy that Israel has pursued for the past 40 years in the West Bank. it remains unwise, unjust, and infeasible.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2007 02:33 pm
George, your second paragraph is the same old nonsense.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2007 02:35 pm
Are you seriously suggesting that the israeli policy with respect to the West Bank over the past 40 years has been;
wise?
just?
successful?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2007 02:36 pm
Advocate, You must admit that the current problems in the Middle East has been exacerbated by Bush. Before Bush took over the white house, all the Arab countries criticized our government, but most felt positive towards Americans. That has changed; now most of the people in those same Arab countries now have negative feelings towards Americans in general.

This same negative feelings have transformed into what we see as the push for the destruction of Israel.

When 9-11 happened, most people in the Arab countries felt badly for us, and gave us their moral support. That support has since been destroyed by our esteemed Bush. These are the consequences for continually supporting Bush; we have lost our credibility around the world.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2007 07:34 pm
georgeob1 wrote:
Are you seriously suggesting that the israeli policy with respect to the West Bank over the past 40 years has been;
wise?
just?
successful?

Whether the Israeli West Bank policy has been wise or stupid, just or unjust, successful or unsucessful is irrelevant.

What is relevant is that the leadership of the non-Israeli palestinian arabs has failed to specify its conditions for declaring Israel's right to exist. Until this arab leadership specifies such conditions, Israel must assume that no such conditions exist.

The persistent lack of such specifications makes it plain that there is nothing Israel can do to get this arab leadership to declare Israel's right to exist. That being the case, Israel's only course is to try to protect itself as best it can until this arab leadership is replaced by new leadership that will specify such conditions.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2007 07:36 pm
ican wrote:
Whether the Israeli West Bank policy has been wise or stupid, just or unjust, successful or unsucessful is irrelevant.

interesting.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2007 07:38 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Advocate, You must admit that the current problems in the Middle East has been exacerbated by Bush. Before Bush took over the white house, all the Arab countries criticized our government, but most felt positive towards Americans. That has changed; now most of the people in those same Arab countries now have negative feelings towards Americans in general.

This same negative feelings have transformed into what we see as the push for the destruction of Israel.

When 9-11 happened, most people in the Arab countries felt badly for us, and gave us their moral support. That support has since been destroyed by our esteemed Bush. These are the consequences for continually supporting Bush; we have lost our credibility around the world.

Did you make up this malarkey all by yourself, or did you get help from others?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2007 10:56 pm
ican711nm wrote:

Whether the Israeli West Bank policy has been wise or stupid, just or unjust, successful or unsucessful is irrelevant.


In today's papers:

Israelis plan more homes on occupied land:
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Jerusalem's city council plans to build three new Jewish settlements on land it occupied in 1967, in contravention of international law, it was announced yesterday. The estates will be built on land that has been earmarked for a future Palestinian state, close to Bethlehem and Ramallah.

International law forbids construction on land acquired by war, but since 1967 Israel has built homes for around 500,000 Israelis in the West Bank and Jerusalem.



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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2007 11:16 pm
Here's some malarky from Wikipedia:

Middle East

The Middle East region has been a focal point of much anti-American sentiment in the latter decades of the 20th century and the beginning of the 21st, often blamed on specific US policies in the region, particularly its close relationship with Israel and it's stance on such matters as Sudan's civil war and Darfur. However, the real roots lay in government policy as reflected in state-directed media:

"Although anti-Americanism is genuinely widespread among Arab governments and peoples, however, there is something seriously misleading in this account. Arab and Muslim hatred of the United States is not just, or even mainly, a response to actual U.S. policies -- policies that, if anything, have been remarkably pro-Arab and pro-Muslim over the years. Rather, such animus is largely the product of self-interested manipulation by various groups within Arab society, groups that use anti-Americanism as a foil to distract public attention from other, far more serious problems within those societies[34]"

By this reasoning, America is blamed for failed systems in the Middle East, as a means of re-directing internal dissent outwards, towards what Osama Bin Ladin has called "the far enemy", America, instead of at indigenous regimes.

The term Great Satan, as well as the chant "Death to America" have been in continual use in Iran since at least the Iranian revolution in 1979. The Iranian capital Tehran has many examples of anti-American murals and posters sponsored by the state; the former US Embassy in the city has been decorated with a number of such murals.

In 2002 and 2004, Zogby International polled the favorable/unfavorable ratings of the U.S. in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Morocco and the United Arab Emirates. In Zogby's 2002 survey, 76% of Egyptians had a negative attitude toward the United States, compared with 98% in 2004. In Morocco, 61% viewed the country unfavorably in 2002, but in two years, that number has jumped to 88 percent. In Saudi Arabia, such responses rose from 87% in 2002 to 94% in June. Attitudes were virtually unchanged in Lebanon but improved slightly in the UAE, from 87 % who said in 2002 that they disliked the United States to 73% in 2004.[35] However most of these countries showed a marked distinction between negative perceptions of the United States, and much less negative of Americans.[35]

The Pew Research Institute probed more deeply the stereotypes of westerners in the Middle East. While more than 70% of middle easterners identified more than 3 negative characteristics of the Westerner stereotype, the three strongest were selfish, violent and greedy. Few had positive opinions of Westerners, but the strongest positive stereotypes were devout and respectful of women.[36] The report also demonstrates strong unfavorable views of Jews and weakly favorable views of Christians predominate in the Middle East. In Jordan, 61%, Pakistan 27%, and Turkey 16% have favorable views of Christians while in Jordan 1%, Pakistan 6%, and Turkey 15% have favorable views of Jews.[36]

Cultural anti-Americanism in the Middle East may have its origins with Sayyid Qutb, an influential Egyptian author, who Paul Berman titled "the Philosopher of Islamic Terror".[37] Qutb, the leading intellectual of the Muslim Brotherhood, studied in Greely, Colorado, from 1948-50, and wrote a book, The America I Have Seen based on his impressions. In it he decried everything in American from individual freedom, taste in music to Church socials and haircuts,[38].

"They danced to the tunes of the gramophone, and the dance floor was replete with tapping feet, enticing legs, arms wrapped around waists, lips pressed to lips, and chests pressed to chests. The atmosphere was full of desire..."

He offered a distorted chronology of American history and was disturbed by its sexually liberated women[39]

"The American girl is well acquainted with her body's seductive capacity. She knows it lies in the face, and in expressive eyes, and thirsty lips. She knows seductiveness lies in the round breasts, the full buttocks, and in the shapely thighs, sleek legs -- and she shows all this and does not hide it."

He was particularly disturbed by Jazz, which he called the American's preferred music, and it is created by Negroes to satisfy their love of noise and to whet their sexual desires ...[40]. Qtub's writings influenced generations of militants and radicals in the Middle East who viewed America as a cultural temptress bent on overturning traditional customs and mores, especially with respect to the relations between the sexes. As Paul Hollander has written[41]

"The most obvious and clear link between anti-Americanism and modernization is encountered in Islamic countries and other traditional societies where modernization clashes head on with entrenched traditional beliefs, institutions, and patterns of behavior, and where it challenges the very meaning of life, social relations, and religious verities. What becomes of the world when women can go to work and show large surfaces of skin to men they are not related to? In a recent case, the indignant male members of a Kurdish family in Sweden were "provoked" by the transgressing female of their family who had the temerity to have a job and a boyfriend and dress in Western ways. She was finally killed by her father."

Hollander went on to explain that:

In Arab countries and among Muslim populations, anti-Americanism is not only the monopoly of intellectuals but also a widespread disposition of the masses. In these areas, traditional religion, radical politics, and economic backwardness combine to make anti-Americanism an exceptionally widespread, virulent, and reflexive response to a wide range of collective and personal frustrations and grievances-and a welcome alternative to any collective or individual self-examination or stock-taking.

More generally, it is the rise of alternatives, ushered in by modernization, that threatens traditional societies and generates anti-American reaction. The stability of traditional society (like that of modern totalitarian systems) rests on the lack of alternatives, on the lack of choice. Choice is deeply subversive-culturally, politically, psychologically.

The recent outburst of murderous anti- Americanism has added a new dimension to the phenomenon, or at any rate, throws into relief the intense hatred it may encapsulate. The violence of September 11 shows that when anti-Americanism is nurtured by the kind of indignation and resentment that in [turn] is stimulated and sanctioned by religious convictions, it can become spectacularly destructive.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2007 11:18 pm
Of course, they are building them only because some Palestinian organizations refuse to acknowledge Israel. There can be no other explanation.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 11 May, 2007 11:08 am
Advocate wrote:
I thought that Omert did a great job.


Olmert says, he made mistakes
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 11 May, 2007 11:13 am
Olmert did a great job just like Bush - in Iraq.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Fri 11 May, 2007 12:04 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Advocate, You must admit that the current problems in the Middle East has been exacerbated by Bush. Before Bush took over the white house, all the Arab countries criticized our government, but most felt positive towards Americans. That has changed; now most of the people in those same Arab countries now have negative feelings towards Americans in general.

This same negative feelings have transformed into what we see as the push for the destruction of Israel.

When 9-11 happened, most people in the Arab countries felt badly for us, and gave us their moral support. That support has since been destroyed by our esteemed Bush. These are the consequences for continually supporting Bush; we have lost our credibility around the world.


I think you are largely correct. ME leaders always looked to the USA to broker peace in the ME. Carter and Clinton worked hard at this, and probably came close to reaching an accord between Israel and Palestine. Unfortunately, Bush has not even tried diplomacy, in which he doesn't believe.

Israel took parts of the WB and Gaza as a prize of war. The Arabs should have thought of this before their relentless attacks on Israel. As you know, the USA has taken many prizes of war. Other countries have done this, also.
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