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ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

 
 
blueflame1
 
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Reply Sun 24 Dec, 2006 07:34 pm
Bushie comes to steal, kill, destroy.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 24 Dec, 2006 08:03 pm
Doing a heck of a job too! That's about the only "plus" he has as CIC.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Mon 25 Dec, 2006 05:37 pm
Iran summons US representative over detention of diplomats

dpa German Press Agency
Published: Monday December 25, 2006

Washington/Tehran- Iran on Monday summoned the Swiss ambassador, whose country represents the United States interests in the Islamic republic, over the detention of Iranian diplomats by the US military in Iraq, ISNA news agency reported. The Foreign Ministry conveyed its protest to US officials via the Swiss ambassador and termed the move as being against all diplomatic norms.

The US military detained at least four Iranians in Iraq on suspicion of carrying out or planning attacks against Iraqi security forces, the New York Times reported Monday.

The White House confirmed the seizure in response to questions by the newspaper, but did not make an official announcement. Bush administration officials identified those seized as "senior military officials."

"The Iranian diplomats were invited by Iraqi President Jalal Talabani and the Iraqi government is therefore responsible for their release and the intruders (US) should give relevant explanations in accordance with international norms," Foreign Minister spokesman Mohammad-Ali Hosseini said.

"This move will have unpleasant consequences," the spokesman said without giving further details.

The US has long charged that Shiite-dominated Iran has been interfering in Iraq and supporting militant actions aimed at the Sunni minority that was overthrown with the 2003 ouster of Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.

Another two Iranians, who were accredited diplomats, were also seized and turned over to Iraqi authorities who released them, according to Gordon D Johndroe, a spokesman for the National Security Council.

In reference to the remaining Iranians in custody, Johndroe said, "We continue to work with the government of Iraq on the status of the detainees."

The seizures occurred in two separate raids and have upset Iraqi officials who have been trying to get Iran involved in calming Iraq's chaotic situation, the New York Times said.

One of the raids occurred on the Baghdad compound of a man who met US President George Bush last week, Abdul Aziz al-Hakim, a powerful Shiite leader.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 25 Dec, 2006 10:06 pm
Bush whackers! Bah! Humbug!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 26 Dec, 2006 01:44 am
ican711nm wrote:
Bush whackers! Bah! Humbug!


Humbug? What exactly?
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hamburger
 
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Reply Tue 26 Dec, 2006 12:35 pm
the iraqi and iranian governments seem interested in good diplomatic relations .

MSNBC REPORTS :
Updated: 4:56 p.m. ET Nov 27, 2006
TEHRAN, Iran - Iraqi President Jalal Talabani sought Monday to enlist Iran's help in quelling the spiraling violence that threatens to tear his country apart.

He arrived in Tehran with a delegation of Iraqi officials and headed to Iran's Presidential Palace to meet with President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, whose government has been trying to organize a summit joining Iran, Iraq and Syria in a bid to assert the Islamic Republic's role as a regional power broker. Iranian officials have said an invitation was extended to Syrian President Bashar Assad, but Syria has not responded, apparently to avoid embarrassing Iran with a direct rejection.

IRAN NEWS :

7/13/05
A new chapter to open in Iran-Iraq relations: Iranian diplomat
Baghdad, July 12, IRNA-On the eve of the first scheduled visit of Iraqi prime minister and his entourage to Tehran, Iran's Charge d'Affaires in Baghdad, Hassan Kazemi Qomi, announced on Wednesday that a new chapter is expected to open in bilateral relations.

He told IRNA that expansion of ties is based on deep religious commonalties, extensive social and cultural exchanges, historical background, geographical conditions and the long common borderline between the two states.

Kazemi Qomi pointed to the high enthusiasm of the people of both nations over the past two years for pilgrimage to each other's countries as a sign of close mutual relations since old days.

As a clear sign of such a close relation, it should be noted that more than 1,200 visas have been issued daily to the Iraqis intending to visit Iran in recent months.

Turning to the unpleasant memories of the former Iraqi regime, he noted that following recent developments in Iraq, Iran was one of the first states to declare its readiness to help establish the new political establishment in the neighboring country.

After two years of Iran's serious attempt to contribute to the establishment of the present Iraqi government which was elected through the firm determination of its people, the visit of the Iranian foreign minister to Baghdad was a confirmation for Iran's foreign policy towards Iraq.

The upcoming visit of the Iraqi prime minister to Iran as the head of a high-ranking delegation including ten ministers and dozens of prominent economic, political and security figures is a clear evidence of such efforts.

"During the visit, a joint high commission to be chaired by Iraqi PM and Iranian First Vice-President Mohammad-Reza Aref will be formed and the mutually reached agreements will be finalized.

"Thus, as of next month, pilgrimage of Iranians to the Iraqi holy cities will be resumed," he added.

He predicted that the signing of agreements on cooperation and multi-faceted expansion of ties will raise the collaboration between the two states in the domains of economy, industries, oil, power production, transport of goods, tourism and pilgrimage to an acceptable level.

"Iran's expertise in reconstruction and revival of industries, transferring and indigenizing technical knowledge and strengthening infrastructures, can pave the way for closer and more extensive cooperation between the two states," he concluded.
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if iran and iraq are ready to have diplomatic relations , why not give them a chance ?
they might be able to establish a resemblance of peace better than any western occupiers - who really have only brought death and destruction to the middle-east .
hbg
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Tue 26 Dec, 2006 12:44 pm
What!?! Iraq is in league with another Person of the Triumvirate and Triune Axishead of Evil??? Time to invade! Oh, wait, we've already done that. So, what's next? Nuke them to kingdom come, and let the Triumvirate and Triune Godhead sort them out!!!
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Thu 28 Dec, 2006 07:53 pm
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Fri 29 Dec, 2006 09:24 am
New Intifada coming
Daily humiliation on roads will lead to another Palestinian uprising

Yehuda Litani Published: 12.29.06, 09:39

In the last days of 2006, an Arab friend who is an Israeli citizen offered that I join him on a drive from Jerusalem to Ramallah and back. "I want to drive one of my employees who lives in Ramallah to her home - come with us so you can see with your own eyes what happens on those roads," the friend said. After all, most Israelis are unaware of what's happening there. We passed through the neighborhoods of Shuafat and Beit Hanina quickly, yet when we reached the Dahiat al-Barid neighborhood on the outskirts of Ramallah, the story started to unfold.

At the heart of the neighborhood (still within the boundaries of greater Jerusalem) near the separation fence (wall), a roadblock was positioned on the main road to Ramallah along with three Border Guard police officers who prevented cars from passing through (including our car, which bore Israeli license plates.)

The Ramallah resident we were driving (an Arab Israeli married to a resident of the West Bank) recommended that the driver turn right to a dirt road that bypasses the fence. We droved over stones and potholes for about 20 minutes until we again reached the main road, all the way to the Kalandiya refugee camp and from there to Ramallah. Not even one police officer or soldier stopped us on the way there, which took about an hour and a half. Before the separation fence was erected, this drive would take 15 minutes at most.

Our passenger told us that the drives to Jerusalem and back take three hours or more in total. Now the real story begins, she said, as the drive to Jerusalem is much more difficult than the drive to Ramallah. Indeed, we spent almost three hours on the road in an annoying wait amidst hundreds of cars belonging to Palestinian West Bank residents and Israeli settlers, until the long-awaited-for arrival at the Pisgat Ze'ev neighborhood roadblock, where a grim-faced female soldier was checking IDs.

If this slow wait was meant to advance security needs, then there were countless chances for terrorists to take over settler vehicles if they wanted to.

My friend the driver, the Arab citizen of Israel, told me that because of his work he drives to Ramallah at least twice a week, and every time the humiliating driving experience repeats. Look at the Palestinian faces, he told me. It's as if they're indifferent, yet in every such ride another 10 young men join terror groups. Nothing happened here during our ride, nobody was hurt or killed, he said, yet the humiliation is too difficult to bear. Ninety nine percent of the people here are traveling to work and back, and every day their hatred to you grows. I have no doubt, he added, that the explosion will happen soon and that 2007 will be the year of the Intifada's renewal, as the Palestinians feel that they can no longer bear the suffering.

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert promised in his last meeting with Mahmoud Abbas to remove roadblocks within the West Back, but IDF officials oppose this for fear of terrorist infiltration. I hereby advise all the objectors to drive, even once, from Jerusalem to Ramallah or from Ramallah to Nablus, in order to sense the population's suffering and see that the terrorists can reach anywhere if they only wanted to.

So if in a few weeks or months, when we are told that the Intifada is being renewed, we won't be surprised at all.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 29 Dec, 2006 11:13 am
http://media2.salemwebnetwork.com/Townhall/Car/b/PN122706.jpg
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 29 Dec, 2006 11:32 am
blueflame, I visited Israel last October, and saw many of those road blocks. I understand there are approximately 400 of those in Israel. We were never stopped, but I'm sure our tour bus had something to do with that.

At the Ein Gedi kibbutz where we stayed for two nights, one of the guides told us that Americans tourists were like diamonds to them, because we show support for Israel. Nothing could be further from the truth, but nobody said anything to negate her statement.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 29 Dec, 2006 02:08 pm
Summing up what can be said to be a pretty rough year politically and diplomatically, I think the following article deserves a read and discussion.

How the West could lose

Daniel Pipes, THE JERUSALEM POST Dec. 27, 2006

After defeating fascists and communists, can the West now defeat the Islamists? On the face of it, its military preponderance makes victory seem inevitable. Even were Teheran to acquire a nuclear weapon, Islamists have nothing like the military machine the Axis deployed in World War II nor the Soviet Union during the cold war.

What have Islamists to compare with the Wehrmacht or the Red Army? The SS or Spetznaz? The Gestapo or the KGB? Or, for that matter, to Auschwitz or the Gulag? Yet, more than a few analysts, including myself, worry that it's not so simple.

Islamists (defined as persons who demand to live by the sacred law of Islam, the Shari'a) might in fact do better than the earlier totalitarians. They could even win. That's because, however strong the Western hardware, its software contains some potentially fatal bugs. Three of them - pacifism, self-hatred, complacency - deserve attention.

Pacifism: Among the educated, the conviction has widely taken hold that "there is no military solution" to current problems, a mantra applied in every Middle East problem - Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, the Kurds, terrorism, and the Arab-Israeli conflict. But this pragmatic pacifism overlooks the fact that modern history abounds with military solutions. What were the defeats of the Axis, the United States in Vietnam, or the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, if not military solutions?

Self-hatred: Significant elements in several Western countries - especially the United States, Britain and Israel - believe their own governments to be repositories of evil, and see terrorism as punishment for past sins. This "we have met the enemy and he is us" attitude replaces an effective response with appeasement, including a readiness to give up traditions and achievements.

By name, Osama bin Laden celebrates such leftists as Robert Fisk and William Blum. Self-hating Westerners have an outsized importance due to their prominent role as shapers of opinion in universities, the media, religious institutions and the arts. They serve as the Islamists' auxiliary mujahideen.

Complacency: The absence of an impressive Islamist military machine gives many Westerners, especially on the Left, a feeling of disdain. Whereas conventional war, with its men in uniform, its ships, tanks and planes, and its bloody battles for land and resources, is simple to comprehend, the asymmetric war with radical Islam is elusive.

BOX CUTTERS and suicide belts make it difficult to perceive this enemy as a worthy opponent. Like John Kerry, too many dismiss terrorism as mere "nuisance." Islamists deploy formidable capabilities, however, that go far beyond small-scale terrorism:


A potential access to weapons of mass destruction that could devastate Western life.

A religious appeal that provides deeper resonance and greater staying power than the artificial ideologies of fascism or communism.

An impressively conceptualized, funded and organized institutional machinery that successfully builds credibility, goodwill and electoral success.

An ideology capable of appealing to Muslims of every size and shape, from Lumpenproletariat to privileged, from illiterates to PhDs, from the well-adjusted to psychopaths, from Yemenis to Canadians. The movement almost defies sociological definition.

A non-violent approach - what I call "lawful Islamism" - that pursues Islamification through educational, political, and religious means, without recourse to illegality or terrorism. Lawful Islamism is proving successful in Muslim-majority countries like Algeria and Muslim-minority ones like the United Kingdom.

A huge number of committed cadres. If Islamists constitute 10 to 15 percent of the Muslim population worldwide, they number some 125 to 200 million persons, or a far greater total than all the fascists and communists, combined, who ever lived.
Pacifism, self-hatred and complacency are lengthening the war against radical Islam and causing undue casualties. Only after absorbing catastrophic human and property losses will left-leaning Westerners likely overcome this triple affliction and confront the true scope of the threat. The civilized world will likely then prevail, but belatedly and at a higher cost than need have been.

Should Islamists get smart and avoid mass destruction, but instead stick to the lawful, political, non-violent route, and should their movement remain vital, it is difficult to see what will stop them.

The writer is director of the Middle East Forum and author of Miniatures. His next column will appear in mid-April, after he teaches a course on "Islam and Politics" at Pepperdine University in Malibu, California (www.DanielPipes.org).
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Lest anyone think Daniel Pipes is a rightwing extremist, you will find a thorough biography HERE
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 29 Dec, 2006 02:39 pm
Well, I've some scepticts about Piper, especially, since in 1987 he urged the United States to supply Saddam Hussein with better weapons and intelligence, on the basis that the Baathist leadership was an important force for moderation and US security in the region, and since he still supports the internment of Americans of Japanes origin.


A minor correction to your quote: that comment was published on December 28 in the Jerusalem Post (page 14).
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 29 Dec, 2006 02:58 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Lest anyone think Daniel Pipes is a rightwing extremist, you will find a thorough biography HERE


This one gives his opponents some credits as well.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 30 Dec, 2006 03:29 am
From today's The Guardian (page 25)

http://i18.tinypic.com/2mg9njm.jpg
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 30 Dec, 2006 06:12 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
Lest anyone think Daniel Pipes is a rightwing extremist, you will find a thorough biography HERE


This one gives his opponents some credits as well.


I think a biography offered by the Harry Walker Agency, that includes such figures as Carol Moseley Braun and Vicente Fox among others, trumps a Wikipedia source of dubious origin any day of the week.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 30 Dec, 2006 07:47 am
Foxfyre wrote:
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
Lest anyone think Daniel Pipes is a rightwing extremist, you will find a thorough biography HERE


This one gives his opponents some credits as well.


I think a biography offered by the Harry Walker Agency, that includes such figures as Carol Moseley Braun and Vicente Fox among others, trumps a Wikipedia source of dubious origin any day of the week.


Well, you would. But the agency functions as a marketing or sales voice for any speaker it represents. Pipes is precisely what you suggest he isn't.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 30 Dec, 2006 10:42 am
blatham wrote:
"WE ARE ENGAGED IN RESHAPING THE WHOLE NATION THROUGH THE NEWS MEDIA."

Newt Gingrich


When did Gingrich say this?

In what context did he say it?

Who are the "WE" he was referring to?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 30 Dec, 2006 02:28 pm
Foxfyre wrote:

I think a biography offered by the Harry Walker Agency, that includes such figures as Carol Moseley Braun and Vicente Fox among others, trumps a Wikipedia source of dubious origin any day of the week.


This is certainly a very good biography by his agency.

I only pointed out that you can find some voices who critise him at wikipedia - with sources (you're certainly free to consider them as dubious).
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Sat 30 Dec, 2006 02:40 pm
I like the rest of the Gingrich quote too. "In The Republican Noise Machine, author David Brock wrote the following about Gingrich and the media:

No matter how much he trashed the news media, Newt Gingrich had a keen understanding of how it could be used to forward the political agenda of the Republican Right. "We are engaged in reshaping the whole nation through the news media, he said. […] Unlike liberals, whose conception of the media was as a place for the airing of a wide range of diverse views through which the public could discern its opinions and make informed decisions, conservatives such as Gingrich saw the media as a propagandistic extension of their political campaigns."
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