ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

old europe wrote:

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You seem to think that targeting civilians is okay when it's Lebanese civilians.

No! You are wrong again.

I think targeting people who knowingly host those targeting civilians for death, is okay, even when those hosts are Lebanese people.

ican711nm wrote:

old europe wrote:

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You seem to think that targeting civilians is okay when it's Lebanese civilians.

No! You are wrong again.

I think targeting people who knowingly host those targeting civilians for death, is okay, even when those hosts are Lebanese people.

Weasel words. You think a Lebanese farmer could halt Hezbollah militia?

ican711nm wrote:

old europe wrote:

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You seem to think that targeting civilians is okay when it's Lebanese civilians.

No! You are wrong again.

I think targeting people who knowingly host those targeting civilians for death, is okay, even when those hosts are Lebanese people.

Aha. Let me give you some numbers: during the conflict, 1,191 Lebanese civilians were killed, 4,409 were injured and approximately 1,000,000 were displaced.

How many of them did "knowingly host those targeting civilians for death"? How many did actively cooperate with Hezbollah to deserve being killed?

More than 67% of the Lebanese "did actively cooperate with Hezbollah to deserve being killed."

Up to one million cluster bombs dropped by Israeli aircraft during the July-August war against Hezbollah remain unexploded in south Lebanon. At least 24 people have died in cluster bomb explosions since the end of the conflict. Is that okay with you, too? Or is it just their fault for coming back to work in their fields and rebuild their houses?

Those bombs would have never been dropped had Hezbollah not fired on Israel. Hezbollah would have not fired on Israel had the Lebanese people tried to remove Hezbollah's and its rockets before those rockets were fired.

It's a simple rule. Those who knowingly host attackers of other people are aiders and abettors of those attackers.

Want to stop murderous attacks? Stop hosting those who deliberaterly kill non-killers; start blaiming those who deliberaterly kill non-killers; stop blaiming those who are attacked for how they choose to defend themselves; start encouraging the perniciously envious to emulate those they envy instead of deliberately killing those they envy.

ican wrote:

No one, and I mean no one, should expect anyone other than himself or herself to avoid in their own self-defense, the use of any ordnance they think necessary, regardless of whether some opine its use is against alleged customary law!

This would include terrorism.

The Bushie Doctrine. Boy oh boy.

The same kind of failing to try cost thousands of lives in Dresden, Hamburg, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki. Failure to even try cost them their innocence. Failure to even try cost them their civilian status.

Iraq war was good for Israel: Olmert

By Dan Williams

11/22/06 "Reuters" -- -- The Iraq war was a boon for Israel's security, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said on Wednesday, voicing fresh endorsement for a Bush administration sapped by the unpopularity at home of its Middle East policies.

The mid-term election losses of U.S. President George W. Bush's Republican Party were widely considered a repudiation of his decision to topple Iraq's Saddam Hussein as part of a vision of democratizing the region and bolstering allies like Israel.

Olmert avoided explicit comment on the Republicans' fortunes during Washington talks with Bush earlier this month. But in a speech to visiting American Jews, Olmert made clear he had few regrets about the changes wrought by the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

"I know all of his (Bush's) policies are controversial in America. There are some who support his policies in the Middle East, particularly in Iraq, and some who do not," he said.

"I stand with the president because I know that Iraq without Saddam Hussein is so much better for the security and safety of Israel, and all of the neighbors of Israel without any significance to us," added Olmert, who was speaking in English.

"Thank God for the power and the determination and leadership manifested by President Bush."

With U.S.-led forces mired in an Iraqi insurgency, political analysts have speculated that Bush may redirect his attentions toward solving an Israeli-Palestinian conflict that is a major grievance in the Arab and Muslim world.

That could prompt Olmert to reconsider his unilateral policies towards a Palestinian leadership that he has argued is incapable or unwilling to make peace with Israel.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, a moderate who has been struggling to revive rapprochement efforts despite opposition from the Hamas Islamists with which he shares power, has said that Israel should seek peace as a key to wider regional calm.

Under Saddam, Iraq backed Palestinian militants and posed a menacing presence to Israel's east. During the 1991 Gulf war, Iraq rained missiles on Israel but Israel held its fire at the behest of Washington, which was wary of alienating Arab allies.

But Olmert's views on today's Iraq have not been shared by all Israeli experts.

Yuval Diskin, chief of the Shin Bet intelligence service, said in a leaked briefing earlier this year that Israel could come to rue Saddam's ouster if it deepens regional instability.

"When you take apart a system in which a dictator has been controlling his people by force, you have chaos," Diskin said in a recording broadcast by Israeli television. "I'm not sure we won't end up missing Saddam."
Copyright © 2006 Reuters Limited.

Failure to even try cost thousands of Lebanese their lives. Failure to even try cost them their innocence. Failure to even try cost them their civilian status.

ican711nm wrote:

Failure to even try cost thousands of Lebanese their lives. Failure to even try cost them their innocence. Failure to even try cost them their civilian status.

Luckily, I think you are one of only a handful of people who believe this.

FreeDuck wrote:

ican711nm wrote:

Failure to even try cost thousands of Lebanese their lives. Failure to even try cost them their innocence. Failure to even try cost them their civilian status.

Luckily, I think you are one of only a handful of people who believe this.

Which goes to show how little human life means to this person.

So, if your gov't decides to bomb a bunch of people (say, as we do in Iraq) you are still civilians even if you don't do anything about it; but if a non-governmental organization in your country decides to, you aren't a civilian if you don't do anything about it?

Shaky logic there

Cycloptichorn

ican711nm wrote:

Failure to even try cost thousands of Lebanese their lives. Failure to even try cost them their innocence. Failure to even try cost them their civilian status.

Luckily, I think you are one of only a handful of people who believe this.

What is the lebanese government doing to reduce or eliminate the threats that hezbollah represents to the civilian population? If the government is doing nothing, what are the civilians doing to replace the government that is doing nothing?