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old europe wrote:

ican711nm wrote:
What the hell is wrong with these damn modern Jews anyway?

Hint: "The Jews" Israel.

I stand corrected!

Not all Jews are residents of Israel--for example some live in old europe. Not all residents of Israel are Jews--for example, some are Arabs.

I should have written: In the 21st century, some Jews are not behaving evenhandedly!

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McTag wrote:

And you are a SA. That is to say, a silly arse.

To be consistent with my proper form, your acronym should have been all lower case: sa. Razz

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ican711nm wrote:

McTag wrote:
And you are a SA. That is to say, a silly arse.

To be consistent with my proper form, your acronym should have been all lower case: sa.

Your proper form is for you. My form is for me.

You are a BIG silly arse.

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McTag wrote:

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You are a BIG silly arse.

bsa

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U.N.: Israelis Set Mines in Lebanon

BEIRUT, Lebanon (AP) - A U.N. agency said Saturday that Israel laid mines in Lebanon during this summer's war between the Jewish state and the Lebanon-based Hezbollah group - the first time Israel has been accused of planting mines during the latest fighting.

The report by the U.N. Mine Action Coordination Center follows its investigation of a land mine explosion Friday that wounded two European disposal experts and a Lebanese medic.

The explosion was caused by an Israeli anti-personnel land mine placed in a mine field newly laid during the fighting in July and August, the center in south Lebanon said in a statement.

Lebanon's south is riddled with land mines, laid by retreating Israeli soldiers who pulled out of the region in 2000, after an 18-year occupation. Hezbollah has also planted mines to ward off Israeli forces.

There was no immediate comment from Israel about Saturday's report.

U.N. experts say up to one million cluster bombs dropped by Israeli aircraft during the July-August war against Hezbollah remain unexploded in south Lebanon, where they continue to threaten civilians. At least 24 people have died in cluster bomb explosions since the war ended Aug. 14.

"This is the first evidence we have that the Israeli forces laid new mines in south Lebanon in 2006," the statement said.

Friday's blast seriously wounded ordnance disposal experts David Alderson of Britain and Damir Paradzik of Bosnia - both of whom lost a foot - and a Lebanese medic, as they tried to rescue a shepherd from an unmarked minefield in the village of Deir Mimas, two miles northwest of the Israeli border.

Dalya Farran, a spokeswoman for the center, said the shepherd had led a herd of goats into an unmarked minefield when one of the animals detonated a land mine. Alderson, Paradzik and the medic heard the explosion, and on trying to help the shepherd, inadvertently detonated a second land mine.

The shepherd was unscathed.

The three wounded men worked for ArmorGroup, a London-based company that has been clearing unexploded ordnance and cluster bombs in south Lebanon since September for the center.

Lebanon has long called for Israel to hand over maps of the minefields.

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blueflame1 wrote:

U.N.: Israelis Set Mines in Lebanon

BEIRUT, Lebanon (AP) - A U.N. agency said Saturday that Israel laid mines in Lebanon during this summer's war between the Jewish state and the Lebanon-based Hezbollah group - the first time Israel has been accused of planting mines during the latest fighting.
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Israel has a helluva nerve defending itself against Hezbollah dkonks (i.e., deliberate killers of non-killers) and Lebanese sodkonks (i.e., supporters of deliberate killers of non-killers) by planting land mines in the territory of those who attacked Israel and of those who supported that attack on Israel.

CORRECTION!
Israel has a helluva nerve defending itself Exclamation

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ican711nm wrote:

blueflame1 wrote:
U.N.: Israelis Set Mines in Lebanon

BEIRUT, Lebanon (AP) - A U.N. agency said Saturday that Israel laid mines in Lebanon during this summer's war between the Jewish state and the Lebanon-based Hezbollah group - the first time Israel has been accused of planting mines during the latest fighting.
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Israel has a helluva nerve defending itself against Hezbollah dkonks (i.e., deliberate killers of non-killers) and Lebanese sodkonks (i.e., supporters of deliberate killers of non-killers) by planting land mines in the territory of those who attacked Israel and of those who supported that attack on Israel.

CORRECTION!
Israel has a helluva nerve defending itself

Read all of blueflame's post before making further stupid comment.
Scattering clusterbombs is against international law.

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ican, Israel coulda and shoulda made peace with Lebanon long ago. The 3 demands they could have met to accomplish that not only were not unfair but will be met. A prisoner release, return of Shebba Farms and a map of landmines planted by Israel. All conditions will be met in the end. That aside Israel and Palestine have just announced a ceasefire to begin within hours. Hooray.

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Let's hope the ceasefire lasts. Killing kids is abominable.

Israel kills 2 Palestinians in Gaza - medics

By Nidal al-Mughrabi

GAZA (Reuters) - Israeli forces shot dead a 10-year-old Palestinian boy and a militant in Gaza on Friday, hospital officials said as the government vowed it would only end its assault when militants stopped attacking Israel.

The latest Israeli ground and air offensive, about a week old, is part of ongoing efforts to stop Gaza militants from firing rockets at Israel. Two Israeli soldiers were slightly wounded in the northern Gaza Strip when gunmen detonated an explosive device near troops, the army said.

An Israeli army armoured vehicle moves out of the Gaza Strip near Kibbutz Mefalsim November 24, 2006. Israeli forces shot dead a 10-year-old Palestinian boy and a militant in Gaza on Friday, hospital officials said as the government vowed it would only end its assault when militants stopped attacking Israel. (REUTERS/Ammar Awad)
"If the Palestinian terror factions, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, stop terror activities from the Gaza Strip, Israel would have no reason or incentive to operate in Gaza," said government spokeswoman, Miri Eisin.

Palestinian factions in Gaza late on Thursday had offered to stop firing rockets if Israel halted military action in Gaza and the occupied West Bank. Israel rejected the offer.

Palestinian Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh told reporters it was up to Israel to respond positively.

"The issue should not be seen as if there is a Palestinian army with an arsenal of rockets ... The issue is that there is an unarmed Palestinian people who are subject to Israeli aggression," he said.

Palestinian hospital officials said the boy was shot dead east of the town of Beit Lahiya. Israel's army said it was not aware of the incident. Hamas said the other dead Palestinian was a militant and cameraman from the faction's armed wing who filmed Hamas fighters in action.

Israel has killed nearly 400 Palestinians in Gaza, about half of them civilians, since it began its offensive in June following the abduction of an Israeli soldier in a cross-border raid, hospital officials and residents say.

Three Israeli soldiers have been killed.

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McTag wrote:

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Read all of blueflame's post before making further stupid comment.
Scattering clusterbombs is against international law.

Where in blueflame's post does it say: scattering clusterbombs is against international law?

More importantly, where in international law does it say: scattering clusterbombs is against international law.?

By the way, where in international law does it say: Israel cannot use all the ordnance it possesses to stop enemies from shooting rockets into it?

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blueflame1 wrote:

ican, Israel coulda and shoulda made peace with Lebanon long ago. The 3 demands they could have met to accomplish that not only were not unfair but will be met. A prisoner release, return of Shebba Farms and a map of landmines planted by Israel. All conditions will be met in the end. That aside Israel and Palestine have just announced a ceasefire to begin within hours. Hooray.

None of us who are not threatened daily with rockets and suicidal bombers has any way of knowing what Israel coulda and shoulda made.

I, of course don't know about how the Israelis interpret their situation. However, if I were in their situation, I would not trust the word of either the Lebanese or the Palestinians who have for years supported the repeated, deliberate killing of Israeli non-killers. By now, I'd be seriously considering alternate ways to eliminate such Lebanese and Palestinian people in order to save the lives of those I love.

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Israel left cluster bombs behind in civilian areas which are prohibited by international humanitarian law because it does not distinguish between civilians and combatants.

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DISCUSSION AND REVIEW OF RELEVANT INTERNATIONAL HUMANITARIAN LAW

Bonnie Docherty
Human Rights Watch
February 14, 2005

Although there is no treaty that specifically regulates cluster munitions, these weapons raise concerns under existing international humanitarian law (IHL). IHL, also called the law of war, governs the conduct of states and non-state actors during times of armed conflict. The four Geneva Conventions of August 12, 1949, and their two associated Additional Protocols of 1977 (hereinafter Protocol I and Protocol II) represent cornerstones of IHL and offer internationally accepted legal standards for evaluating the problems posed by cluster bombs. Although not all states are party to these treaties, the articles discussed below are considered customary law, that is, legal norms deriving from common state practice that bind all nations regardless of specific legal commitments. The Convention on Conventional Weapons (CCW) Protocol V on Explosive Remnants of War, agreed to in November 2003, is also relevant to cluster munitions.

Protocol I, along with the Fourth Geneva Convention, lays out the law that protects civilians during war. The basic principle of this branch of IHL is that of distinction between civilians and combatants. Article 48 of Protocol I states, "the Parties to the conflict shall at all times distinguish between the civilian population and combatants and between civilian objects and military objectives and accordingly shall direct their operations only against military objectives."

Attacks that strike military objects and civilians or civilian objects without distinction are considered indiscriminate and are prohibited. While Protocol I recognizes that some civilian deaths are inevitable, it says states cannot legally target civilians or engage in indiscriminate attacks. Article 51(4) and Article 51(5) define the concept of indiscriminate attacks in several ways. The five kinds of indiscriminate attacks they enumerate are those that: are 1) not directed or 2) cannot be directed at "a specific military objective," 3) have effects that violate the Protocol, 4) treat separate urban military objectives as one (carpet bombing), and 5) are disproportionate. Cluster munitions raise concerns under most of the definitions. These weapons are prone to being indiscriminate, particularly when certain methods of attack or particular models are used.

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Israel even admits to targeting civilians areas with cluster bombs which is why Olmert has ordered an investigation into the matter. I think he is just protecting himself knowing this a clear violation of the use of cluster bombs but ...

IDF admits targeting civilian areas in Lebanon with cluster bombs

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ican, rockets fired into Shebba Farms are not rockets fired into Israel. In the end Israel will give back Shebba Farms and exchange prisoners with Lebanon and provide maps of land mines. Like they coulda and shoulda done long ago.

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And you are afraid of being called an anti-Semite for opposing Israel's espionage and regional wars.
September 07, 2004

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ican711nm wrote:

McTag wrote:

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Read all of blueflame's post before making further stupid comment.
Scattering clusterbombs is against international law.

Where in blueflame's post does it say: scattering clusterbombs is against international law?

More importantly, where in international law does it say: scattering clusterbombs is against international law.?

By the way, where in international law does it say: Israel cannot use all the ordnance it possesses to stop enemies from shooting rockets into it?

smsa = small-minded silly arse

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ican711nm wrote:

McTag wrote:

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Read all of blueflame's post before making further stupid comment.
Scattering clusterbombs is against international law.

Where in blueflame's post does it say: scattering clusterbombs is against international law?

More importantly, where in international law does it say: scattering clusterbombs is against international law.?

By the way, where in international law does it say: Israel cannot use all the ordnance it possesses to stop enemies from shooting rockets into it?

I think there's something in international law that says deliberately targeting civilians is against international law.

You seem to think that targeting civilians is okay when it's Lebanese civilians.

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revel wrote:

Israel left cluster bombs behind in civilian areas which are prohibited by international humanitarian law because it does not distinguish between civilians and combatants.

No one is able to distinguish between civilians and combatants when the combatants and their ordnance are based among civilians. No one should be expected to be able distinguish between civilians and combatants when the combatants and their ordnance are based among civilians.

People who do not protest against combatants who they know base themselves and their ordnance among them, should know they are thereby supporters of such combatants and are not civilians.

[emphasis added]

Quote:
DISCUSSION AND REVIEW OF RELEVANT INTERNATIONAL HUMANITARIAN LAW

Bonnie Docherty
Human Rights Watch
February 14, 2005

Although there is no treaty that specifically regulates cluster munitions, these weapons raise concerns under existing international humanitarian law (IHL). IHL, also called the law of war, governs the conduct of states and non-state actors during times of armed conflict. The four Geneva Conventions of August 12, 1949, and their two associated Additional Protocols of 1977 (hereinafter Protocol I and Protocol II) represent cornerstones of IHL and offer internationally accepted legal standards for evaluating the problems posed by cluster bombs. Although not all states are party to these treaties, the articles discussed below are considered customary law, that is, legal norms deriving from common state practice that bind all nations regardless of specific legal commitments. The Convention on Conventional Weapons (CCW) Protocol V on Explosive Remnants of War, agreed to in November 2003, is also relevant to cluster munitions.
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Israel even admits to targeting civilians areas with cluster bombs which is why Olmert has ordered an investigation into the matter. I think he is just protecting himself knowing this a clear violation of the use of cluster bombs but ...
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considered does not equal law.
considered equals opinion.

Let us all agree that Israel's Defense Force targeted alleged civilian areas with cluster bombs. Let us all agree that those alleged civilian areas contained Hezbollah terrorists and their rocket ordnance. Let us all agree the Hezbollah fired those rockets into Israel from those alleged civilian areas.

Does anyone disagree that Israel had the legal right to protect itself against Hezbollah, its rockets and the alleged civilians who were Hezbollah's hosts? Does anyone disagree that Israel had the legal right to protect itself in whatever manner Israel thought necessary to achieve its effective defensel? Does anyone disagree that Israel had the legal right to protect itself in whatever manner Israel thought necessary to ensure its survival?

No one, and I mean no one, should expect anyone other than himself or herself to avoid in their own self-defense, the use of any ordnance they think necessary, regardless of whether some opine its use is against alleged customary law!

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old europe wrote:

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You seem to think that targeting civilians is okay when it's Lebanese civilians.

No! You are wrong again.

I think targeting people who knowingly host those targeting civilians for death, is okay, even when those hosts are Lebanese people.

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ican711nm wrote:

old europe wrote:

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You seem to think that targeting civilians is okay when it's Lebanese civilians.

No! You are wrong again.

I think targeting people who knowingly host those targeting civilians for death, is okay, even when those hosts are Lebanese people.

Weasel words. You think a Lebanese farmer could halt Hezbollah militia?

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ican wrote:

No one, and I mean no one, should expect anyone other than himself or herself to avoid in their own self-defense, the use of any ordnance they think necessary, regardless of whether some opine its use is against alleged customary law!

This would include terrorism.

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