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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 20 Nov, 2006 09:19 pm
blueflame1 wrote:
IDF calls off strike after hundreds shield Gaza militant's house
By Nir Hasson, Aluf Ben and Avi Issacharoff, Haaretz Correspondents, Haaretz Service and Reuters
The Israel Defense Forces canceled a planned air raid on the home of a militant in the northern Gaza Strip on Sunday after several hundred Palestinians barricaded themselves inside the building, an IDF spokesman and witnesses said.

Palestinian sources called the protest the first of its kind to have in effect prevented an air strike by the IAF. An IDF spokesman said the strike had been called off so to avoid inflicting civilian casualties.

Hundreds of Palestinians formed a human shield around the home of the militant in Beit Lahia late Saturday to prevent an Israel Air Force air strike on the building, residents said.

An IDF spokesman confirmed the raid had been called off because of the protest.

"The attack plan was canceled because of the people there," the spokesman said. "We differentiate between innocent people and terrorists."

The spokesman vowed Israel would continue its strikes against militants, and accused gunmen of using the civilians in the camp as human shields.

Earlier Saturday, two Palestinians, ages 16 and 20, were killed and five others wounded Saturday by Israel Defense Forces fire in Beit Lahiya. Three IDF soldiers were lightly injured by an anti-tank missile while operating against Qassam rocket infrastructure in Beit Lahia.

People flocked to the home of Mohammed al-Baroud after he received a warning from the army late Saturday giving him 30 minutes to leave the house. Barhoud is a commander in the Popular Resistance Committees in the town who is in charge of firing homemade rockets at Israel. Crowds of people stood on the rooftop and in the yard of the home.

Israel routinely orders occupants out of homes ahead of air strikes on suspected weapons-storage facilities, saying it wants to avoid casualties. The incident in Beit Lahia was the first time Palestinians have tried to prevent such an airstrike.

The crowd chanted anti-Israel and anti-American slogans, and people said they were prepared to give their lives to protect the home. "Yes to martyrdom. No to surrender," the crowd chanted.

"We came here to protect this fighter, to protect his house and to prove that we are capable of defeating this Zionist policy," said Nizar Rayan, a local Hamas leader who joined the protest,
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/788899.html

This was a huge Israeli mistake.

The crowd knew they were protecting a deliberate killer of Israelis. The crowd was assisting that deliberate killer of Israelis. The crowd was aiding and abetting that deliberate killer of Israelis. As such, the crowd did not consist of innocent civilians. It consisted of people who were helpers of a killer of Israelis.

The IDF spokeman said, "The attack plan was canceled because of the people there. We differentiate between innocent people and terrorists."

There was nothing innocent about those people who surrounded the home of Mohammed al-Baroud. "Barhoud is a commander in the Popular Resistance Committees in the town who is in charge of firing homemade rockets at Israel." The crowd knew this and supported al-Baroud anyway.

Because of this, the Israelis should have destroyed Baroud's house and the members of that crowd with it.

Israel has the right of self-defense. That right of self-defense includes exterminating those who would exterminate Israel or who assist the extermination of Israel.

Only when the Palestinian Arabs stop deliberately killing Israelis, will the Israelis no longer have need to defend themselves against them.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 20 Nov, 2006 09:24 pm
ican711nm wrote:
[quote="blueflame']Only when the Palestinian Arabs stop deliberately killing Israelis, will the Israelis no longer have need to defend themselves against them.


Only when the Israelis stop deliberately killing Palestinian Arabs, will the Palestinian Arabs no longer have need to defend themselves against them.

What's the difference ??????
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 20 Nov, 2006 09:24 pm
ican wrote: specific skills deemed by the government to be in short supply will be allowed to work,

It's obvious, you have a one-track mind. You don't ever see the problems from the Palestinian side, and forget or forgive all the atrocities committed by Israelis against the Palestinians and Lebanese. You're the monster in this picture; a blind one.
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pachelbel
 
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Reply Mon 20 Nov, 2006 09:38 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
ican wrote: specific skills deemed by the government to be in short supply will be allowed to work,

It's obvious, you have a one-track mind. You don't ever see the problems from the Palestinian side, and forget or forgive all the atrocities committed by Israelis against the Palestinians and Lebanese. You're the monster in this picture; a blind one.


And I give up trying to point this fact out to ican. Deaf dumb & blind.

Sorry - wasn't trying to 'spam' the thread. I was caught up in ican's idiocy.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 20 Nov, 2006 09:41 pm
The Times November 24, 2004


'Ugly reality' of Israel's atrocitiesThis writer takes issue with Julie Burchill


TO DEFEND Israel today is to be either callous or wilfully ignorant.Describes ican to a "t."
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 20 Nov, 2006 09:43 pm
This is what I was trying to cut and paste of ican's post:
Only when the Palestinian Arabs stop deliberately killing Israelis, will the Israelis no longer have need to defend themselves against them.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 20 Nov, 2006 09:55 pm
georgeob1 wrote:
ican711nm wrote:
[quote="blueflame']Only when the Palestinian Arabs stop deliberately killing Israelis, will the Israelis no longer have need to defend themselves against them.


Only when the Israelis stop deliberately killing Palestinian Arabs, will the Palestinian Arabs no longer have need to defend themselves against them.

What's the difference ??????


The Palestinian Arabs in words and deeds have made it clear that they seek the removal of Israel and are willing to continue to kill Israelis until they obtain what they seek.

The Israelis on the otherhand in words and deeds have frequently offered the Palestinian Arabs the opportunity to peacefully coexist with Israel free of the Palestinian Arab deliberate killing of Israelis and free of Israeli retaliation for past Palestinian Arab deliberate killing of Israelis. In support of their offers, the Israelis have frequently stopped killing Palestinian Arabs for long periods of time even while the Palestinians continued to kill Israelis.

This problem is due principally to the belief by the Palestinian Arabs that they have an inherent right to govern all of Palestine, while the Israelis believe they have a legal right to govern a specific part of Palestine.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 20 Nov, 2006 10:07 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
ican wrote: specific skills deemed by the government to be in short supply will be allowed to work,

It's obvious, you have a one-track mind. You don't ever see the problems from the Palestinian side, and forget or forgive all the atrocities committed by Israelis against the Palestinians and Lebanese. You're the monster in this picture; a blind one.


Where? When? Did I post: "specific skills deemed by the government to be in short supply will be allowed to work." Was that in an article I quoted in another thread unaccompanied by any comment by me?
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pachelbel
 
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Reply Mon 20 Nov, 2006 10:15 pm
c.i. ~

Interesting article: TO DEFEND Israel today is to be either callous or wilfully ignorant.


Thanks for posting it.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 20 Nov, 2006 10:33 pm
ican, Go two posts above your own to see my "correction."
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revel
 
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Reply Tue 21 Nov, 2006 07:39 am
Israeli Map Says West Bank Posts Sit on Arab Land

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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 21 Nov, 2006 07:46 am
ican711nm wrote:
The Palestinian Arabs in words and deeds have made it clear that they seek the removal of Israel and are willing to continue to kill Israelis until they obtain what they seek.


This witless contention assumes that any description of some Palestinians can be justifiably applied to all Palestinians. It is as idiotic as the habit of referring to all Muslims as "Islam-fascists." It is a scurrilous charge and a strawman. We expect no less from Ican't.

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Excellent article, Revel, thank you for posting it.
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old europe
 
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Reply Tue 21 Nov, 2006 08:53 am
ican711nm wrote:
The crowd knew they were protecting a deliberate killer of Israelis. The crowd was assisting that deliberate killer of Israelis. The crowd was aiding and abetting that deliberate killer of Israelis. As such, the crowd did not consist of innocent civilians. It consisted of people who were helpers of a killer of Israelis.

The IDF spokeman said, "The attack plan was canceled because of the people there. We differentiate between innocent people and terrorists."

There was nothing innocent about those people who surrounded the home of Mohammed al-Baroud. "Barhoud is a commander in the Popular Resistance Committees in the town who is in charge of firing homemade rockets at Israel." The crowd knew this and supported al-Baroud anyway.

Because of this, the Israelis should have destroyed Baroud's house and the members of that crowd with it.



You've only missed a little detail: the IDF called ahead of the strike. The target of the strike was not al-Baroud. The target of the strike was al-Baroud's house. The Israeli military has confirmed that these attacks are launched in response to rocket attacks from the Gaza strip.

It's well noted that you advocate killing hundreds of civilians in order to reach a set target of destroying the house of a Palestinian militant.

That says a lot about your mindset.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Tue 21 Nov, 2006 08:56 am
"TO DEFEND Israel today is to be either callous or wilfully ignorant." Yes of course. And to defend America also. Wolfie at the World Bank? Abomination.
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old europe
 
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Reply Tue 21 Nov, 2006 10:19 am
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U.N. Panel Says Israel Used Excessive Force in LebanonThe United Nations Mine Action Coordination Center has estimated that Israel fired as many as four million cluster submunitions, as the bomblets are known, and that up to one million may not have detonated. Israel fired many of the munitions with its Multiple Launch Rocket System, which can fire 12 rockets in a minute.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 21 Nov, 2006 10:39 am
From today's Chicago Triubune (page A5/online report)

http://i10.tinypic.com/2jbsm54.jpg

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[...]Since an Aug. 14 cease-fire, 23 people have been killed in southern Lebanon by explosions of cluster bomblets, according to the UN Mine Action Coordination Center. Unexploded ordnance, most of it cluster munitions, wounded 136 people, the center said.

Detonated when picked up by curious children or when accidentally touched by farmers in fields and groves, the bomblets have turned large areas into the equivalent of minefields, threatening harvesting and grazing and hindering the return of thousands of people to their homes.

Many bomblets found in villages and on roads.

In response to earlier queries about the cluster bombs, the Israeli army said in a statement that the munitions are "legal under international law and their use conforms with international standards."

However, the findings of an initial inquiry by a senior army officer indicated that the cluster munitions, delivered by rockets or artillery, were directed at civilian areas in violation of orders from the army command, have been and houses military officials said.[...]
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Tue 21 Nov, 2006 11:34 am
Lebanese Christian Leader Killed
Lebanese Christian Leader Killed
The Associated Press
Tuesday 21 November 2006

Cabinet minister Pierre Gemayel shot, killed driving in Christian suburb.

Beirut, Lebanon - Prominent anti-Syrian Christian politician Pierre Gemayel was assassinated in a suburb of Beirut on Tuesday, his Phalange Party radio station and Lebanon's official news agency reported.

The shooting will certainly heighten the political tension in Lebanon, where the leading Muslim Shiite party Hezbollah has threatened to topple the government if it does not get a bigger say in Cabinet decision-making.

Witnesses said Gemayel was shot in his car in Jdeideh, a Christian neighborhood, his constituency on the northern edge of Beirut. The witnesses said a car rammed his car from behind and then an assassin stepped out and shot him at point blank range.

Gemayel was rushed to a nearby hospital, according to the Lebanese Broadcasting Corp. and the Voice of Lebanon, the Phalange Party mouthpiece. The party radio later said he was dead, as did the National News Agency.

Gemayel is the third prominent figure in Lebanese politics to be assassinated in the past two years. Former Prime Minister Rafik Hariri was killed in a massive car bombing in February 2005 and lawmaker and newspaper manager Gibran Tueni was killed in a car bombing in December

Anti-Syrian Stance

Saad Hariri, leader of the anti-Syrian parliamentary majority, broke off a televised news conference after hearing that Gemayel had been shot. He later accused Syria of playing a role, saying, the "hand of Syria" is behind Gemayel's killing, Hariri later told CNN.

Hariri hailed Gemayel as "a friend, a brother to all of us" and appeared to break down after saying: "We will bring justice to all those who killed him."

Gemayel, the minister of industry and son of former President Amin Gemayel, was a supporter of the anti-Syrian parliamentary majority, which is locked in a power struggle with pro-Syrian factions led by Hezbollah.

He was named for his grandfather, who founded the Phalange Party in 1936 to exert Christian power in Lebanon. It dominated Christian politics for decades after Lebanon's independence from France in 1943.

During the civil war, the Phalange had the largest Christian militia that fought Muslim forces and Palestinian guerrillas. The death of the senior Pierre Gemayel in 1983, the shrinking Christian community and internal dissent have seriously weakened the party, which could not get its own leader elected to parliament in 2000.

Amin Gemayel served as Lebanon's president from 1982 to 1988. He was elected by parliament after the assassination of his brother, Bashir, who was chosen president but was killed a few days before he was to take office.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 21 Nov, 2006 11:46 am
revel, You should read "The Other Side of Israel" by Susan Nathan, a Jew now living in a Palestinian village in Israel. She has written about the land-grab by Jews of Palestinian lands while the legal system ignores the fraud. Israel is not a democracy, but an apartheid state with no legal rights for Palestinians. To be fair, not all Jews approve of what is happening, and those who speak out are being threatened with their life and jobs. The good news, for me atleast, is it seems more Jews are speaking out against these atrocities. I hope they will return Israel into a "real" democracy some day.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 21 Nov, 2006 12:24 pm
ican711nm wrote:

The Palestinian Arabs in words and deeds have made it clear that they seek the removal of Israel and are willing to continue to kill Israelis until they obtain what they seek.

The Israelis on the otherhand in words and deeds have frequently offered the Palestinian Arabs the opportunity to peacefully coexist with Israel free of the Palestinian Arab deliberate killing of Israelis and free of Israeli retaliation for past Palestinian Arab deliberate killing of Israelis. In support of their offers, the Israelis have frequently stopped killing Palestinian Arabs for long periods of time even while the Palestinians continued to kill Israelis.

This problem is due principally to the belief by the Palestinian Arabs that they have an inherent right to govern all of Palestine, while the Israelis believe they have a legal right to govern a specific part of Palestine.

I'll edit this and expand on it.

With few exceptions, all of the Palestinian Arabs in words and deeds have made it clear that they seek the removal of Israel, and are willing to continue to kill Israelis, or support their colleagues killing Israelis, until Israel is removed.

The Palestinian Arabs have made it clear by their celebrations of their colleagues killing Israelis, rather than damning, criticizing, or making any effort to stop their colleagues killing Israelis.

The Israelis on the otherhand in words and deeds have frequently offered the Palestinian Arabs opportunities to peacefully coexist with Israel free of Palestinian Arab deliberate killings of Israelis, and free of Israeli retaliation for past Palestinian Arab deliberate killings of Israelis. In support of their offers, the Israelis have frequently stopped killing Palestinian Arabs for long periods of time even while the Palestinian Arab continued to kill Israelis.

This problem is due principally to the belief by the Palestinian Arabs that they have an inherent right to rule all of Palestine, while the Israelis believe they have a legal right to rule a specific part of Palestine.

The belief by the Palestinian Arabs that they have an inherent right to rule all of Palestine is itself based on their belief that Muhammed, the founder and prophet of their religion, declared after conquering all Palestine in the 7th Century that they have an inherent right to rule all of Palestine.

Furthermore, based on their religion, they believe that when an inherent right based on their religion is threatened rebuffed or rejected by non-believers of their religion, they are obligated by their religion to kill/slay those non-believers whereever they find them.

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EXCERPTS FROM THE KORAN

http://etext.virginia.edu/etcbin/ot2www-koran?specfile=%2Flv2%2Fenglish%2Frelig%2Fkoran%2Fwww%2Fkoran.o2w&query=wherever+you+find+them&docs=text&sample=1-100&grouping=work

Chapter 4: The Women : 4.89: They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.


Chapter 4: The Women : 4.91: You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given you a clear authority.

Chapter 2: The Cow : 2.191: And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.

Chapter 9: The Immunity : 9.5: So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.


The solution for the Palestinian Arabs is obvious. Kill as many Israelis as they can, wherever they find them.

The belief by the Israelis that they have a legal right to rule a specific part of Palestine is based on the fact that the previous rulers of Palestine, the British, delegated to the UN the authority to decide how and who was to subsequently rule Palestine. The UN, acting according to that delegation of authority by the British, passed their 1947 resolution to divide Palestine into an Arab State and an Israeli State.

The solution for the Israelies is also obvious. For every Israeli the Palestinian Arabs kill, the Israelis in their own self-defense must kill multiple Palestinian Arabs.

I recommend that for every Israeli the Palestinian Arabs kill, the Israelis in their own self-defense and long term survival must kill at least a thousand Palestinian Arabs.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 21 Nov, 2006 12:54 pm
In brief, The most effective way for Palestinian Arabs to regain their individual property, is to stop killing Israelis and stop supporting the killing of Israelis.

The Israelis did in fact, more than once, make that specific offer to the Palestinian Arabs, if they were to stop killing Israelis. The Palestinian Arab leaders rejected that offer.

Unless you and yours have experienced the daily threat of being killed by those who think they have been authorized by their god to kill you, your criticisms of the reactions of people, who are experiencing that daily threat, are shallow and without merit as long as those criticisms are unaccompanied by realistic recommendations for what you think their reactions should be.
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