ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

najmelliw wrote:

For the record, I'm very glad nazi-germany lost the war...

Freedom4free isn't...

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I'm guessing he lies awake two or three hours every night wondering what if anything his A-number-1 hero (Hitler) could have done differently to produce a happier (for them) outcome. I'm just trying to help him out a bit.

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gungasnake wrote:

najmelliw wrote:

For the record, I'm very glad nazi-germany lost the war...

Freedom4free isn't...

I'm guessing he lies awake two or three hours every night wondering what if anything his A-number-1 hero (Hitler) could have done differently to produce a happier (for them) outcome. I'm just trying to help him out a bit.

Mr gung, let me make something clear, in any of my threads/posts, when ever i mention anything related to Hitlers germany or the Holocaust, i'm basically comparing Israel's atrocities/crimes and more importantly their way of thinking with that of Hitler and his Nazi crimes...and i'm not the only one by any means, take a good read at this :

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WorldNetDaily | July 18, 2006

Fox News analyst compares Israelis to Nazis
Bevelacqua tells O'Reilly Jewish state ruthless in Lebanon

Fox News military analyst Maj. Bob Bevelacqua, a former Green Beret, appearing tonight on "The O'Reilly Factor," compared Israeli actions in Lebanon and Gaza with Nazi actions in Russia during World War II.

Bevelacqua, a long-time Fox News contributor, said the Israelis were unwilling to compromise in their conflict with Hamas in Gaza and Hezbollah in southern Lebanon. He denied that the Israelis willingly evacuated from Gaza and Lebanon.

"Saying the Israelis pulled out of Lebanon is like saying the Nazis pulled out of Moscow," he said. "They invaded Lebanon. They invaded Gaza. They take homes and then they give them back. And they expect some type of great recognition."

Bevelacqua acknowledged he had business interests in Lebanon – a company that employed 30 people. His Fox News biography says he works with the WVC3 Group in Reston, Va., an elite security group that provides homeland security services, support and technologies to government and commercial clients.

"They (the Israelis) lack the word compromise," Bevelacqua said. "They refuse to sit down and negotiate."

His resume also says he has a 17-year history of worldwide military experience, including combat in the Gulf War, riot control in Los Angeles, a peacekeeping mission in Haiti, security assistance missions in West African countries and numerous anti-drug missions on the U.S. border with Mexico.

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SIDDIQINE: With an expression of utmost calm on her blood-masked face, the woman allowed herself to be gently lowered from the roof of the mini-bus into the waiting arms of two Lebanese Red Cross volunteers. The rescue workers had extracted her through a jagged hole in the roof of the crumpled mini-bus, the result of a missile fired minutes earlier by an Israeli helicopter which had blasted the vehicle off the road. Left behind in the vehicle, slumped over each other and soaked in blood, were the bodies of three people.

The narrow roads that meander through the valleys and undulating chalky hills east of Tyre were a place of terror and death Sunday, with Israeli helicopters attacking civilian vehicles fleeing Israel's onslaught against South Lebanon.

"Today is the day of the cars," says Dr. Ahmad Mrowe, director of the Jabal Amal hospital in Tyre. "It's been very bad."

By early evening, the Jabal Amel Hospital alone had received 41 wounded, most of them serious, according to hospital sources, all of the casualties thought to be civilians seeking refuge north of the Litani River after heeding Israeli warnings to leave the area before the onslaught intensifies.

The level of destruction and the dangers of traveling along these bomb-cratered roads were made clear within moments of leaving the perimeter of Tyre, which has become a relative safe haven compared to the town's hinterland.

In the Horsh district outside Tyre, an aerial bomb had gouged a deep crater in the middle of the wide road, blocking passage. A short detour down a lane and through an orange orchard led back to the main road. But there were more craters, perhaps one every kilometer, most of which were passable by inching around the rim of the hole.

The streets of Hannawiyyeh and Qana were littered with broken glass, severed electricity cables, lumps of earth, ripped sheet metal from store fronts, stones and pieces of concrete, the result of Israeli shellfire into these sprawling dusty villages. Many houses showed signs of shell damage - broken windows, shell-pocked roofs and smashed walls. The signs of hasty flight by panicked residents could be found in the crashed and abandoned cars on the side of the road. One had run full speed into a corner of a house, the front of the vehicle squashed to half its size. Another had struck an electricity pylon. Israeli jets rumbled overhead amid the almost constant hollow thump of artillery fire.

In Siddiqine, the bombed main road meant another diversion through cramped backstreets carpeted with broken glass, dirt and yet more fallen electricity cables. The village was under shellfire, thick dirty white plumes of smoke and dust blooming briefly among houses

300 meters away. Each exploding round was preceded by the ominous ripping sound of an artillery shell passing overhead.

Every now and then, a car flashed past, usually crammed with people, the driver hunched over the steering wheel, his eyes fixed on the road ahead. Some passengers held out of the window sticks with fluttering white sheets attached for the benefit of the Israelis lurking in the deep blue sky above.

The stricken mini-bus had come to a stop on the side of a downhill road cut into the side of a steep valley midway between the villages of Siddiqine and Yater. One man with his face half torn off by the missile sat in his seat, his yellowing hand hanging from the window. Beside him, covered in the contents of the dead man's skull, a woman moved slightly back and forth.

"Can you stand?" asked a Red Cross volunteer. The woman mumbled an incoherent response. A few meters away, some of the survivors lay on the ground, moaning and crying.

The driver, a thin man with a straggly beard, lay prostrate on the ground calling out to God. One woman, her black dressed drenched in blood and her face a gory mask, writhed slowly while a medic treated her.

Red Cross medics said there were 19 people on board the vehicle, all of them from Tiri, a small village about 11 kilometers to the southeast.

Abbas Shayter, 12, his naked upper body speckled with dried blood, said that the village had been instructed by the Israelis to leave and his family had been waiting for transport.

"Someone came for us and we drove with other cars out of the village," he said. "We were trying to keep up with the others when we were hit. He said that his grandmother, uncle and another man had been killed.

Abbas' brother Ali, 13, sobbed beside his prone mother whose bandaged left arm was streaked with blood. She raised her right hand and held her son's arm consolingly.

The medics loaded the ambulances with the casualties and made the same perilous return journey to the Najem Hospital on the edge of Tyre. A car was burning furiously on the road just outside the hospital, the result of yet another Israeli helicopter strike. The missile had hit the rear of the car but the three occupants had just enough time to escape before fire engulfed the vehicle."This is getting worse and worse by the day," said Qassem Chaalan, a Lebanese Red Cross volunteer. His unit had made 20 trips into the Tyre hinterland that morning to recover casualties. By midday, he was reporting that 10 cars, including an ambulance belonging to a local charity, had been attacked in the vicinity of Tyre alone.

At the Jabal Amel Hospital, the casualties continued to arrive along with more reports of targeted cars - two from Tiri, including the mini-bus, one from Qlayle, one from Aitit and two from Jmaijme.

A UNIFIL officer said that the Israelis had told them they would not hinder cars travelling north on main roads. But the overwhelming evidence Sunday suggested that cars were being attacked regardless of their occupants and direction of travel.

"They have been hitting civilian cars all over the place," said Peter Bouckart of Human Rights Watch, who had just returned to Beirut from Tyre. "I have been in many war zones, but this is one of the most dangerous places I have seen."

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It seems that everyone's biases and prejudices are alive and well here on this thread. Indeed, we are back in World War II with Hitler and Nazi-Germany.

Clearly, that is not helpful, nor even analagous.

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Israel lowers expectations over Lebanon conflict
(AFP)

24 July 2006

JERUSALEM - Israel began its campaign against Hezbollah with brash claims that it would quickly annihilate the Lebanese Shiite militia, but on Monday, after 13 days of relentless air strikes and cross-border incursions, it appeared to be settling for far more modest goals.

"It's time for Israel to reevaluate its goals in order to find a way out of the crisis," a government minister told AFP, speaking on condition of anonymity.

"We raised hopes too high by promising to disarm Hezbollah's armed wing and decapitate its leadership. There is no question of us losing this campaign, but we will have to set ourselves realistic goals," he said.

He implied that the army had not properly informed the government of Hezbollah's capacity to resist.

"The government was hoping that the affair would be over within a few days, and now the army wants several weeks to complete its task," the minister said.

He added that he doubted that the international community would permit Israel to continue a campaign that looks set to cause a humanitarian disaster in Lebanon.

At least 363 people have been killed in Lebanon, most of them civilians, along with 37 Israelis killed in the north of Israel, in the deadliest cross-border conflict since the Jewish state invaded its northern neighbour in 1982.

On Sunday another Israeli minister, Eytan Cabel, who is also secretary-general of the Labour party, said he was disappointed with the results obtained so far against Hezbollah.

"I admit that I had expected better from the army," he said.

But he said he was still convinced the military would succeed in "pushing Hezbollah back from the border area and significantly reducing rocket fire against Israel."

A senior official at the foreign ministry told AFP on Monday that "today the main objective is to dissuade Hezbollah from renewing its attacks on the border and to retrieve the two soldiers abducted on the border on July 12."

The capture of those two soldiers sparked the conflict.

To achieve those aims Israel will likely continue its military campaign for the moment but has now accepted the idea of a multinational force to back up the Lebanese army, which at the moment is too weak to face up to Hezbollah, officials said.

Israel no longer rules out the idea of a prisoner exchange with Hezbollah, government sources said. Two Hezbollah fighters captured Sunday could be part of this exchange.

The Israeli press was also Monday taking a more realistic view of the conflict.

"The continuing rocket fire (from Hezbollah) and the difficulties that the army is having on the ground are bringing public opinion to a more realistic vision," wrote the top-selling Yediot Aharonot.

The daily Maariv said that because Hezbollah has agreed to the Lebanese government dealing through a third party with Israel on a prisoner swap, that "Israel now considers that there is a basis for negotiation for the release of the two abducted soldiers."

Publicly the Israeli government insists that Hezbollah release without conditions the two Israeli soldiers and says there is "no question of negotiating" over the issue.

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I have read--can't remember where--a line saying "limited war is inevitably a prolonged war and the seedbed of new wars." Michael Barone, in a relatively short piece, provides a thumbnail history of Israel's wars and some thoughts on what the current conflict means.

Excerpt (the whole short essay is a good read):

"This Middle East crisis is different from all other Middle East crises. Over the years, since the Six-Day War of 1967, the United States and other onlookers have gotten used to a certain kind of Middle East crisis. Palestinians or their sympathizers would threaten and wreak violence against Israel. Israel would respond, sometimes locally, sometimes by major actions like the defensive War of 1973 or the occupation of southern Lebanon in 1982. The cry would go up: Let the cycle of violence end, let Israel give up land that it has occupied in return for peace. . . . .

. . . . .The guiding impulse of most leaders in Europe and of many in the United States is to seek some sort of negotiated compromise. That is what Bill Clinton did when Hezbollah attacked Israel 10 years ago, and he sent Secretary of State Warren Christopher to negotiate with President Hafez Assad of Syria. But today, even the Europeans recognize that this approach is not only futile, but dangerous. Syria is a cat's-paw of Iran, and Iran, with its missiles and possible warheads, is an existential threat not only to others in the Middle East, but to Europe. Appeasement is possible when the attacker stands ready to be appeased, as Sadat and King Hussein were. It is dangerous where there is no such willingness, as seems to be the case for Iran's mullahs and its batty, Holocaust-denying president.

The question now is whether Israel has the capacity and the will to eliminate the aggressive capability of Hezbollah and Hamas. And whether the United States has the nerve to continue to back Israel in its determination to do so. The outcome is not clear. But at least there is no cry for the non-solution of land for peace."
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Foxfyre, the question now is whether Israel is ready to accept a 2 state solution. Hamas and even Islamic Jihad have made strong overtures towards acceptance of a 2 state solution based on 1967 borders. Imo that was the catalyst for Israel's Gaza and Lebanon offensives.

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Something different opinion - we are well-balanced here Rolling Eyes

From The Wrap, Monday's issue. A longer piece, but only available by subscription. (The Wrap is one of Guardian Unlimited's paid-for services: http://www.guardian.co.uk/wrap)

This comment by Andrew Brown expreses more or less exactly, what I've thought since a long time:

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The Wrap: A worm's eye view

Andrew Brown on winning the peace

Monday July 24, 2006
Guardian Unlimited

Andrew Brown on winning the peace

A friend of mine once came upon a tank column in the Angolan bush. It was, quite clearly, a unit of the South African army, sent north to take part in the civil war there. This engagement was unofficial in the 1970s but perfectly well known to all sides; nonetheless, my friend was obliged by journalistic ethics to ask who they were and what they were doing. The white commander of the leading tank grinned at him and replied in a strong South African accent, "We're the Swedish army, man."

The point of the joke was that no European social democracy could possibly fight an aggressive colonialist war, and it is true that the Swedish army was a joke then and is still more of a joke now. I have with my own ears heard the Swedish minister of defence announcing that she would do all in her power to stamp out the macho culture within the army.

Yet there is, I think, a deep and important link between armies and peaceful social democracy. One part of this link is obvious: the great welfare states of Europe emerged as part of a revulsion for war on the part of an exhausted and ravaged continent after 1945. This revulsion was not, of course, complete. The Attlee government and its successors continued to fight wars in Korea, Palestine, and various former colonies while building the welfare state. So did the French. But these wars were understood at home as regrettable necessities that must be fought to stop things getting even worse. There was none of the enthusiasm that attended war in Europe before 1914: none of the idea, then common, that war was an ennobling and purifying sort of suffering or that "Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori" could be said without irony.

The welfare states were built by demobilised armies whose former soldiers did not wish to fight ever again. But these states were also dependent on habits of mind and behaviour that perhaps only a war could inculcate. The most obvious of these was a belief in the power of the state to solve problems.

European states existed to fight wars, in some sense - at least the ones that were no good at fighting soon stopped being states - and this required qualities beyond mere belligerence. The efficient, incorruptible civil service emerged in countries that felt they could not afford corruption or inefficiency because the consequences of failure were so unpleasant. Mass mobilisation and mass discipline were due in part to industrialisation, but they were also a product of wars. Few industrial enterprises, whatever they make, can match the discipline and efficiency of an army that simply destroys things and people.

Sweden, which has a powerful welfare state and hasn't fought a war since 1809, might look like an exception to this theory. But the Swedish state and its bureaucracy were undoubtedly founded for warlike purposes in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries. By the twentieth century, Sweden had all the social benefits of war with very few of the drawbacks. The threat of invasion was real - all the other Scandinavian countries were occupied during or after the war. There was much civilian hardship, cold and some hunger. All these may be needed to convince people that the alternative to co-operation is something much worse.

The very high levels of personal taxation that characterised the welfare states are typical of wartime, and were inherited from them. The general link applies even to America, where the vision of the New Deal was carried to its furthest extent by the generation that actually fought in the second world war. George McGovern, the most left-leaning presidential candidate of my lifetime, had been a bomber pilot.

Of course, religious beliefs have also inspired welfare states. The kind of civic virtue on which social democratic states rely has traditionally been fostered in pious Protestant countries. But Protestantism itself is a religion and a culture shaped by war. All the Protestant states of northern Europe emerged from a century or more of religious warfare. They made much of the warlike passages in the Bible. But it is at least possible that they helped towards military success by their application - within the bounds of their religion, of the egalitarian and communal strands of Bible teaching.

And, in at least one part of the world, this pattern seems to be repeating itself. In Hizbullah we see something of the same combination of efficiency and charity towards supporters with extreme ruthlessness towards outsiders. After another hundred years of war, they may even have invented a sort of Islamic social democracy. I wouldn't bet on it, though. We are more likely just to get another hundred years of war.

* Andrew Brown has a blog.

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This guy Rabbi Froman and a group called Jerusalem Peacemakers have had great success in bringing Hamas and Islamic Jihad towards acceptence of a 2 state solution. No mean feat considering the reaction by Israel and America of Hamas being duly elected. Israel seems to be doing all it can to crush this initiative. This article is an example of Israel's fear and loathing of a 2 state solution. "Talking Requires a Partner: A Way Out of the Gaza Crisis?"
by Counterpunch (reposted)
Thursday Jul 6th, 2006 6:42 AM
Out of sight of the international press pack, a bid to resolve the Gaza crisis, involving a dialogue between a Jewish religious leader and Hamas representatives, is ongoing and well advanced.
"I'm talking to Hamas representatives every day," a weary sounding Menachem Froman told me by telephone from the West Bank settlement of Tekoa, where he lives and works as a rabbi. "We have had a lot of meetings and I have just spoken to an aide of my prime minister about this."

But Tel Aviv's interest in a negotiated end to the standoff is far from assured.

The day before the tanks rolled into Gaza, Froman had been due to launch an extraordinary peace initiative at a news conference in Jerusalem with Muhamed Abu Tir, the Hamas MP, Khaled Abu Arafa, the Palestinian minister for Jerusalem, and three Israeli rabbis.

The panel was to have made a collective call for the release of Corporal Gilad Shalit, the beginning of a process to release all Palestinian prisoners and the immediate start of negotiations with Hamas on the framework for a peace deal based on 1967 borders.

They would also have announced that Jewish and Muslim religious leaders could achieve peace where Israel's politicians had failed.

But the response from Israel's security establishment was crushing.

Hours before the meeting was due to start, the Shin Bet detained Abu Tir and Abu Arafa and warned them not to attend the meeting. The news conference,s organisers were forced to contact the other rabbis - who were already on the road to Jerusalem - and tell them not to come.

Instead of a triumphant statement of mutual respect and dialogue, a subdued and gently defiant three-man panel fended off aggressive questioning from an unruly Israeli press pack.

As Yitzhak Frankenthal, whose son was killed by Hamas in 1994, said that the Palestinians had been pushed into the kidnapping by an inhuman occupation, one journalist jumped up and down shouting: "Should someone who murdered your son be freed?"

Frankenthal responded with dignity. "It would be the easiest thing in the world for me to say that they are terrorists and we must fight them.

"But in the eyes of the Palestinians, they are liberators. We need to understand that it is the obligation of the Palestinians, as it is the obligation of every other nation, to fight for their liberation. The time has come for reconciliation, and the only way to achieve that is to talk."

Talking, however, requires a partner.

Two days after the news conference, Abu Tir and Abu Arafa were kidnapped by Israeli forces, along with a third of the Hamas cabinet. Four days later, Israel revoked both men's citizenship and residency rights in Jerusalem. As the Jerusalem Post headline put it: 'Shin Bet foils Hamas-Jewish meeting'.

An even more accurate headline might have been the one Israel National Radio's Arutz Sheva website ran a few days later, pertaining to another story: 'The peace process is a bigger danger than Hamas'.

In this opinion piece, Ted Belman argued that "the threat of rockets raining down on Israel from Gaza isn't nearly the threat that the peace process was and is" because peace talks would require Israeli concessions.

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http://counterpunch.com/neslen07052006.html

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The thing is foxfrye, getting Hezbollah don't happen in a vacume. A whole country and innocent civilians hang in the balance. Are the lives of innocent Israelies more valuable than innocent Labanese? That's the honest bottom line whether you want to face it or not.

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revel wrote:

The thing is foxfrye, getting Hezbollah don't happen in a vacume. A whole country and innocent civilians hang in the balance. Are the lives of innocent Israelies more valuable than innocent Labanese? That's the honest bottom line whether you want to face it or not.

Obviously Hezbollah believes that very idea Revel. They believe that killing Israelis is far more important then risking the lives of Lebonese civilians. Their actions have demonstrated that time and time again.

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McGentrix wrote:

revel wrote:
The thing is foxfrye, getting Hezbollah don't happen in a vacume. A whole country and innocent civilians hang in the balance. Are the lives of innocent Israelies more valuable than innocent Labanese? That's the honest bottom line whether you want to face it or not.

Obviously Hezbollah believes that very idea Revel. They believe that killing Israelis is far more important then risking the lives of Lebonese civilians. Their actions have demonstrated that time and time again.

Also an Israeli life is worth every bit as much as a Lebanese life. When those condemning Israel put as much passion into condemning those firing rockets indiscrimately into Israeli civilian neighborhoods as they do in condemning Israel for retaliating while keeping civilian casualities to a minimum, then maybe they will be seen as something other than anti-Israel.

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What prophesies Orwell and Huxley made about the TV wars in what was the future to them.

They had the location spot on as they did with the function.

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Hezbollah is a terrorist group; their sole aim is to fight Israel and casualties that happen as a result of that they probably figure is a just sacrifice in the name of the cause.

Israel on the other hand is just going through that country without a care for innocent human life in the zeal to get Hezbollah. Which, by the way, so far they seem to be more successful at getting civilians than Hezbollah. You and your ilk keep harping on how we should cheer Israel on in their killing of Lebanese just for the sake of Israel and it is though Israel is up there up on some celestial plane with you folks and you worship them in place of God; as though Israel is God. I know it seems I have something against Israel, and really I don't, except for the way they treat the Palestinians and now they are treating the Lebanese, but really the way some of you go on about Israel is just weird.

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revel wrote:

Hezbollah is a terrorist group; their sole aim is to fight Israel and casualties that happen as a result of that they probably figure is a just sacrifice in the name of the cause.

Israel on the other hand is just going through that country without a care for innocent human life in the zeal to get Hezbollah. Which, by the way, so far they seem to be more successful at getting civilians than Hezbollah. You and your ilk keep harping on how we should cheer Israel on in their killing of Lebanese just for the sake of Israel and it is though Israel is up there up on some celestial plane with you folks and you worship them in place of God; as though Israel is God. I know it seems I have something against Israel, and really I don't, except for the way they treat the Palestinians and now they are treating the Lebanese, but really the way some of you go on about Israel is just weird.

It is noted that you seem to make it clear that you excuse the terrorists for just doing what terrorists do and you condemn Israel who is on the record of doing what it can to not kill civilians indiscriminately. Would you say that pretty well places you in the anti-Israel camp?

QUESTION: If you are Israel and your civilian neighborhoods are being shelled, what do you do? Don't be vague with "I'd not kill civilians". Tell us precisely what you would do.

And especially what do you do if Ralph Kinney Bennett's observations on it are accurate as he portrays them HERE

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Foxfyre wrote:

revel wrote:
Hezbollah is a terrorist group; their sole aim is to fight Israel and casualties that happen as a result of that they probably figure is a just sacrifice in the name of the cause.

Israel on the other hand is just going through that country without a care for innocent human life in the zeal to get Hezbollah. Which, by the way, so far they seem to be more successful at getting civilians than Hezbollah. You and your ilk keep harping on how we should cheer Israel on in their killing of Lebanese just for the sake of Israel and it is though Israel is up there up on some celestial plane with you folks and you worship them in place of God; as though Israel is God. I know it seems I have something against Israel, and really I don't, except for the way they treat the Palestinians and now they are treating the Lebanese, but really the way some of you go on about Israel is just weird.

It is noted that you seem to make it clear that you excuse the terrorists for just doing what terrorists do and you condemn Israel who is on the record of doing what it can to not kill civilians indiscriminately. I think that pretty well places you in the anti-Israel camp.

QUESTION: If you are Israel and your civilian neighborhoods are being shelled, what do you do? Don't be vague with "I'd not kill civilians". Tell us precisely what you would do.

And especially what do you do if Ralph Kinney Bennett's observations on it are accurate as he portrays them HERE

I have stated more than once (though not in this post and I can see how you might have made the assumption that you did) that I blame Hezbollah just as much as I do Israel for all the deaths in Lebanon. I know that there are some shelling Israel, but there is far more death and destruction in Lebanon.

I think they should have better intelligence to tell them where Hezbollah were located and where their weapons were located before killing and destroying a country. I would have got corporation with the Lebanese government and maybe their help with getting rid of Hezbollah. I don't know surely there would have a thousand better things to do that smart people who are paid to that sort of thing and could have saved lives. I don't know squat about military matters but I don't think you just blindly run through a country killing everything in sight. You keep going on about how they are trying to keep the death down, but I have seen no evidence of it.

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At least 384 people have been killed in Lebanon, including 20 soldiers and 11 Hezbollah fighters, according to security officials. At least 600,000 Lebanese have fled their homes, according to the WHO -- with one estimate by Lebanon's finance minister putting the number at 750,000, nearly 20 percent of the population.

Israel's death toll stands at 37, with 17 people killed by Hezbollah rockets and 20 soldiers killed in the fighting.

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Israelis guilty of war crimes. Nothing new.

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Oh! I get it now... Israel should only kill as many of the enemy as the enemy kills Israeli's!

Rolling Eyes

Hezbollah hides their rockets. When they are hidden, they are hard to find, thus the reason they hide them. Do you really beleive Israel is not trying to limit civilian casualties while Hezbollah is trying to maximize civilian casualties? Do you think Israel is incapapble of carpet bombing the entire country of Lebanon if wanted to? Why do you think they are targetting infrastructure instead of city centers? Why do you think Israel is not just lobbing missiles into Lebanon indescriminately (like Hezbollah is doing)?

Hezbollah is PART of the Lebanese government. Why else do you suppose Israel would be holding the Lebanese government accountable. Do you suppose Israel has not been in constant contact with the Lebanese government for the last 6 years after the pullout from southern Lebanon?

If you don't see the evidence that Israel is trying to keep civilian casualties down, then you must have your eyes closed becasue they could bring a world of hurt to the entire country.

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McGentrix

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Hezbollah is PART of the Lebanese government.

'The leader of genius must have the ability to make different opponents appear as if they belonged to one category.'
~ Adolf Hitler

If you really want to understand how Israeli's thinks , then read many of Hitles quotes.

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Blue tells us that Hamas and Hezbollah have flirted with the idea of recognizing Israel. What they insist must happen is the right of return of the Palestinians who left Israel in 1948. This would not be just the 700,000 who left, but the 4,000,000 who now say they have the right to return. This, of course, would be the end of Israel.

We are told here how Israel is out to kill innocent Lebanese. Then why does Israel drop leaflets to warn residents to leave areas that will be bombed?

It is just so terrible how Israel defends itself. Israelis should just turn the other cheek as we do.

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