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ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

 
 
BernardR
 
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Reply Tue 5 Sep, 2006 02:53 pm
Hamburger- sir_ I will ask you to be specific.

Were the Soviets our "friends" in 1945?

Was FDR of the opinion that he might "need" them to defeat Japan?

Did he give Joe Stalin the ability to invade and take over almost all of Eastern Europe in trade?

Did the Soviets open up the cold war with the "blockade" of Berlin in 1948- THREE SHORT YEARS AFTER THEY WERE FIGHTING WITH US TO BEAT THE NAZIS?

Please answer these questions and it will answer for you, why, in that particular instance, the USA's friend( The Soviets) helped defeat the enemy( the Nazis).

If you are suffering under the delusion that many people in the United States were not "holding their noses" when we had to give the Soviets what they wanted at Yalta, you know nothing about the USA and its politics from 1945 to 1948.

THERE IS A PHRASE USED IN A GREAT NUMBER OF HISTORY BOOKS-

IT IS THE PHRASE- SHIFTING ALLIANCES--

You have, of course, read of the RUSSO-GERMAN NON AGRESSION PACT signed by Ribbentrop and Molotov. The Germans, determined not to get themselves caught in a two front war reverted to Bismark's old policy, thus securing for themselves a free hand against Poland or the west. The ideological differences between Communism and Fascism and the open hostility between Russia and Germany in Spain caused WIDESPREAD CONSTERNATION. BUT IT ALL BOILED DOWN TO OLD STYLE, BALANCE OF POWER POLITICS!!!!

Less than Two Years later, Germany invaded Russia!!!!
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 5 Sep, 2006 02:55 pm
BernardR wrote:
Ican -Great post giving FACTS_ Your assertion that Advocate's statement is a non-entity since it gives no evidence is right on target but Advocate never gives any evidence- only his unsourced and unreference IGNORANCE. I do believe that he? she? actually WORKS HARD at avoiding evidence or documentation. In that regard, Advocate is a master!!!

It was InfraBlue who made that GSPG (i.e., GSPG= George Soros Pseudology Gospel) statement in response to Advocate's statement! Advocate thinks for hmself, while InfraBlue is a probable future cool aid candidate.

InfraBlue wrote:


Advocate wrote:

Israel is, by far, the least discriminatory and oppressive regime in the Middle East. I am sure that it ranks high for this in the world.


This assumption does not negate the fact that Israel is a discriminatory and oppressive state.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 5 Sep, 2006 02:59 pm
Infra, Israel is, as it should be, aggressive in defending itself.

How is Israel discriminatory? Or are you just make a baseless assertion?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 5 Sep, 2006 02:59 pm
From Hamburger's post
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Dreyfuss highlights our sometimes reckless application of the doctrine of trusting our enemy's enemies. And his examples from Eisenhower's White House meeting in 1953 with a scion of the Muslim Brotherhood (Said Ramadan) to our marriages of convenience with the Taliban and with Pakistan's notoriously Islamist military intelligence services record important moments in the history of American short-sightedness or miscalculation. "


The thing is that the immediate necessity seems to require allies that one would not choose as one's friends. Thus in WWII, it was prudent for the Allies to embrace Russia, whom nobody trusted, and it is fairly clear that Hitler didn't trust everybody on the Axis side either.

But Americans tried their best to make friends with the enemy to avoid going to the war. They did it in Germany. Japanes diplomats were meeting with high ranked officials in Washington even as the Japanese fleet bore down on Pearl Harbor. And we did it with Saddam Hussein.

The hypocrisy of the Left is in their anti-war sentiments coupled with their admonitions to talk to and make friends with people and get them going our way rather than engage in so much gunboat diplomacy. But when members post evidence of that very tactic in the past, it is now held up as evidence that modern politicians once cozyed up to the enemy.

Well talking to and making friends with the enemy didn't work then to stave off difficulties years or decades down the line. And it is unlikely to be effective now except with those countries that have adopted diplomatic principles and who, believe in at least some principles of free trade and human rights.

The bottom line is that we must deal with people as they are now, not as they once were, or as we hope they will be.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 5 Sep, 2006 03:00 pm
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How is Israel discriminatory? Or are you just make a baseless assertion?


Israel discriminates based upon religious affiliation and belief. This should not be stood for any more than discrimination based on any other factor.

Cycloptichorn
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 5 Sep, 2006 03:11 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Quote:

How is Israel discriminatory? Or are you just make a baseless assertion?


Israel discriminates based upon religious affiliation and belief. This should not be stood for any more than discrimination based on any other factor.

Cycloptichorn

Cyclo, Israel discriminates based upon religious affiliation and belief? Question Where did you get that idea? From GSPG (i.e., GSPG = George Soros Pseudology Gospel)? Question

Now here is a real case of discrimination based upon religious affiliation and belief:

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The Islamic Republic Is The Only Legitimate Nation on Earth

Setpember 1, 2006

Amir Taheri, Asharq Alawsat <http> :


What do citizens of Japan, Pakistan, Switzerland, and Canada have in common? The answer is that they, along with the citizens of all but one of the 198 member states of the United Nations, live under illegitimate governments . Wow! And, which is the sole country with the only legitimate government on earth? According to one Ali-Akbar Meshkini the answer is simple: the only country with a legitimate government is the Islamic Republic of Iran.

According to Meshkini the only " bright spot" in the world is Iran which accounts for just under one per cent of the earth. The rest of humanity live in "utter darkness", under regimes that are both " oppressive and tyrannical" ( jaber and ja'er)

You might wonder who this Meshkini is and where he gets the authority to make such outlandish claims.

To his critics, Meshkini is a semi-literate mullah who was plodding along in Qom until the Khomeinist revolution brought the mullahs to power in Tehran in 1979.

To his admirers, Meshkini is an Ayatollah (Sign of God), and the all-powerful President of the Assembly of Experts, the organ which can select and, if need be, dismiss the Wali al-Faqih (The Clerical Custodian) also known as " The Supreme Guide", that is to say the man who rules the Islamic Republic with limitless powers. READ MORE <http>

Meshkini made his remarks at a meeting of the assembly last week - its first full session since the election of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as President of the Islamic Republic last year.

Here is what Meshkini said: " Among all the governments in the world, the only legitimate government endorsed by the Almighty is the Islamic Republic of Iran."

To back his claim Meshkini said the Islamic Republic was the only regime blessed by God and the Fourteen Infallibles, that is to say the Prophet (PBUH), his daughter Fatimah, his son-in-law Ali and 11 of his direct male descendants who became imams.

Meshkini took his claims further.

He said: "The Islamic Republic is an extension of God , its Leader is appointed by God, its Revolutionary Guard is God's Army, and all its citizens are members of the Party of God (Hezbollah)."

As far as we could make out none of the 92 members of the Assembly of Experts took issue with Meshkini's outrageous remarks. And, the state-controlled media in Tehran reported them with a mixture of awe and deference.

According to the Constitution of the Islamic Republic, the Assembly of Experts is the highest organ of state. This is because it chooses and can dismiss the man who exercises "Divine Power", including ordering a suspension of Islamic practices if deemed necessary.

The late Ayatollah Ruhallah Khomeini often claimed that there had never been a legitimate government in Islam since the assassination of Ali Ibn Abi-Talib, until the advent of the Islamic Republic in Iran. But Khomeini never claimed that non-Muslim states were also illegitimate because they were not ruled by " Walayat al-Faqih". He admitted that, to cite one example, the Swiss had no idea what " Walayat al-Faqih" was about and , therefore, could not be expected to adopt it as their system of government. Also, Khomeini, although a fantasist in his own way, was not brazen enough to claim that his government was " an extension of God".

Meshkini, and mullahs like him, however, have no such scruples. Isolated in their cocoon and unaware of what is going on outside, they have persuaded themselves that they can attack and insult every nation under the sun with impunity.

Had Meshkini been a simple village mullah his bizarre remarks would have mattered little. But he is the second highest-ranking mullah of the regime after the "Supreme Guide" Ali Khamenehi.

What conclusions should the rest of the world draw from Meshkini's remarks , especially at a time that the Islamic Republic's nuclear ambitions are provoking an international crisis?

The first conclusion is that the Islamic Republic does not consider any other government on earth as equal in terms of legitimacy and divine endorsement. That, in turn, means that the Islamic Republic is under no obligation to respect the laws and obey the rules drawn by regimes that have always been and remain illegitimate. Indeed, the United Nations itself, an organ all but one of whose members are illegitimate, has no authority to demand any standards of behaviour from the only legitimate government since 7th century AD.

Translated into practical politics, the Meshkini Doctrine means that whatever agreement the Islamic Republic might reach with any or all of the illegitimate regimes on earth would be automatically invalid. It also means that the Islamic Republic as "an extension of God" has the mission to overthrow all other governments before uniting the whole of mankind under the rule of "Walayat al-Faqih". Once again, the Islamic Republic is returning to its original ambition of "exporting" the Khomeinist revolution - this time, in Khamenehi's words, as "a gift to mankind."

Some self-styled Western Khomeinologists might dismiss the statements by both Meshkini and Khamenehi as typical clerical hyperbole.

"Ah, they don't mean what they say," our Khomeinologists would say. "They are just talking for their domestic audiences."

The Khomeinologists might mean their analysis as a prop to get the mullahs off the hook. In reality, however, their analysis is an insult to mullahs like Meshkini and Khamenehi, because it presents them as men who speak with a forked tongue, which means that they cannot be trusted, or as politicians caught in the cobweb of their deception.

Logic, however, requires us to take Khamenehi and Meshkini seriously and assume that they mean what they say.

And that leads us to one crucial conclusion: as long as the Islamic Republic does not believe in the equality of all nation-states in the context of international law, regardless of race, religion, type of regime, size, and system, it can never be a sincere party to any bilateral or international agreement.

This is why, leaving aside commercial issues, negotiations between the Islamic Republic and other nations never produce concrete and lasting results. There cannot be give-and-take between "an extension of God" and an "illegitimate and oppressive regimes" that keep the whole of mankind, outside Iran of course, in "utter darkness."

It is important that those who recommend endless talks with the mullahs, including United Nations' Secretary-General Kofi Annan who is visiting Tehran, keep that in mind.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 5 Sep, 2006 03:25 pm
I got that idea from my time spent in Israel and Palestine, not from any so-called conspiracy that you have made up.

I agree that the Iranian nation also is discriminatory on the basis or religion.

Cycloptichorn
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 5 Sep, 2006 06:13 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
I got that idea from my time spent in Israel and Palestine, not from any so-called conspiracy that you have made up.

I agree that the Iranian nation also is discriminatory on the basis or religion.

Cycloptichorn


Someone else wrote:
It's refreshing to learn about Israel from someone's personal experiences, from someone who went and "spent time in Israel and Palestine,".
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 5 Sep, 2006 06:19 pm
InfraBlue wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
InfraBlue wrote:

If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel, but this statement begs the question, why should a discriminatory and oppressive regime be allowed to exist in the first place?

You mean like Iraq under Saddam Hussein?


Exactly.


So then you do believe that the US was right to invade Iraq to remove the "discriminatory and oppressive regime" of Saddam Hussein?
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Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 5 Sep, 2006 06:42 pm
MM, do you think we should make Iraq our 51st state and get it over with?

For all we are spending there, we could probably give every person and animal there about $500,000. That should buy citizenship in the USA.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Tue 5 Sep, 2006 07:50 pm
ican711nm wrote:
InfraBlue wrote:
Advocate wrote:
Israel is, by far, the least discriminatory and oppressive regime in the Middle East. I am sure that it ranks high for this in the world.


This assumption does not negate the fact that Israel is a discriminatory and oppressive state.


Your statement does not establish that your statement is a fact.


Advocate wrote:

Infra, Israel is, as it should be, aggressive in defending itself.

How is Israel discriminatory? Or are you just make a baseless assertion?


Israel is aggressive in defending itself, an ethnocentrically discriminatory state.

Zionists established a state, Israel, whose by-laws demand the maintenance of a religious/ethnic character, a "Jewish" character. The result thereof is that the state of Israel discriminates against its Arab population, and Arabs in general in various ways all in an attempt to maintain a "Jewish character" within the state.

The main way it discriminates against Arabs is that it restricts the immigration of Arabs to Israel. It doesn't allow its Arab citizens to marry Arabs outside of Israel and live with their spouses in Israel. The claim is that it imposes this restriction for reasons of security, not wanting to import terrorists through Arab marriage. The effect is repression and discrimination of its Arab citizens as a "managed minority" in the name of defending the ethnocentric ideals of the state of Israel.

Needless to say, the state of Israel refuses the Palestinian Arabs' Right of Return.

Discrimination is written directly into the state of Israel's by-laws whereby a candidate cannot run for a seat in the Knesset senate if he negates the existence of the state of Israel as the state of the Jewish people (7A[1] of the Basic Law of the Knesset). This by-law was nulled in the case of Azmi Bishara, one of only --- Arab members of the Knesset, by an Israel Supreme Court ruling that allowed him to stay on as an MK despite his public proclamations that Israel should be a democracy for all of its citizens. But, as Israel Supreme Court Justice Mishael Cheshin said, "Israel's democracy is strong and can tolerate irregular cases," implying that the case of Bishara alone could not harm Israel's ethnocentric directive.

In 2003 widespread and deeply ingrained discrimination against its Arab citizens was found in both official and public Israeli life through a commissioned report to the state of Israel, the Or Commission Report. This discrimination is based on the state of Israel's determination to maintain its basic identity as a "Jewish state."
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Tue 5 Sep, 2006 07:50 pm
ican711nm wrote:
InfraBlue wrote:
Advocate wrote:
Israel is, by far, the least discriminatory and oppressive regime in the Middle East. I am sure that it ranks high for this in the world.


This assumption does not negate the fact that Israel is a discriminatory and oppressive state.


Your statement does not establish that your statement is a fact. However, your statement does add evidence supporting your adherence to GSPG (i.e., GSPG = George Soros Pseudology Gospel). Soros in his latest publications provides substantial evidence that GSPG is a gospel that "aids and comforts" IT (i.e., IT = Islamo Totalitarians (e.g., Fatah, Hamas, Hezbollah, al-Qaeda, Taliban, Baathists).

Israel has been defending itself against oppressive states and cultures ever since it declared itself an independent state back in 1948. You remember the sequence:
1947 AD: UN resolution partitions Palestine into a Jewish and an Arab State.
1948 AD: Israel declares itself an independent state.
1948 AD: Civil war breaks out between Jews and Arabs.
1948 AD: State of Israel successfully defends itself and conquers part of the Arab Palestinian state.

It is true that Israel has never succeeded in demonstrating the absolute surgical precision required to achieve its defensive objective of not killing non-combatants, while killing offensive enemy combatants. On the other hand, IT have repeatedly succeeded in achieving their offensive objective of killing far more non-combatant Israelies than combatant Israelies.


Your red herrring does not negate the fact that Israel is a discriminatory and oppressive state.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Tue 5 Sep, 2006 07:50 pm
mysteryman wrote:
InfraBlue wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
InfraBlue wrote:

If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel, but this statement begs the question, why should a discriminatory and oppressive regime be allowed to exist in the first place?

You mean like Iraq under Saddam Hussein?


Exactly.


So then you do believe that the US was right to invade Iraq to remove the "discriminatory and oppressive regime" of Saddam Hussein?


No. The US used the claim of removing the regime of Saddam Hussein for altruistic purposes was only a pretext for its invasion and occupation of Iraq. It was much like a rider attached to a bill introduced to congress.
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BernardR
 
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Reply Tue 5 Sep, 2006 10:21 pm
Cyclopitchorn wrote:

Israel discriminates based upon religious affiliation and belief. This should not be stood for any more than discrimination based on any other factor.

end of quote

And the Islamo-fascists do not discriminate based upon religious affiliation and belief?

How many NON-Jews are in Israel? Do you know?

How many Jews live in Iraq? Do you know?

At least 10% of the population in Israel is Muslim.

Iraq has NO Jews to speak of!

In Iraq the Islamo-fascists cut off your head if you do not worship Allah!

I have not heard of any beheadings performed in Israel!
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revel
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 07:08 am
Israeli Leader Allows West Bank Construction Bids

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JERUSALEM, Sept. 4 - Israel's Prime Minister Ehud Olmert authorized construction bids today for another 690 homes in the occupied West Bank in the face of pro forma American criticism.

The houses will be built in Maale Adumim and Betar Illit, two settlements near Jerusalem that the Israeli government says it intends to keep in any final agreement with the Palestinians.


The rest of the story at link.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 07:50 am
After numerous postings of Israel's policy/law regarding the Arabs living peacefully in Israel, and that they do not suffer discrimination other than they are allowed to opt out of the military if they so choose--they don't have to--I don't know how some keep trying to portray Israel as an oppressive and discriminatory state.

Good citizens in Israel, no matter what their race, ethnicity, or country of origin, seem to get along quite satisfactorily with no complaints about violations of human rights. How many other countries in that area can claim that kind of inclusiveness?

Those who commit terrorism and/or harbor terrorists don't do as well, of course. Bad BAD Israel to discriminate against those who do not respect Israeli laws and/or who have pledged the destruction of Israel. I don't know how we can accept that kind of thinking.
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xingu
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 08:28 am
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What Rights Do Arab-Israelis Have? Apartheid Again?

Israel has practiced systematic and institutionalized discrimination against its Palestinian citizens in most areas - land possession and allocation, education, language, economics, and political participation. There are more than 20 laws that discriminate against the Palestinian minority in Israel (according to Adalah, the Legal Center for Arab Minority Rights in Israel). The most important immigration laws, The Law of Return (1950) and The Citizenship Law (1952), allow Jews to freely immigrate to Israel and gain citizenship, but excludes Arabs who were forced to flee their homes in 1947 and 1967. In addition, although Jews of any nationality and origin may receive Israeli citizenship through The Law of Return, non-Jews who marry Arab-Israelis are not necessarily granted Israeli citizenship.

Through Israeli law, many organizations that, by their own charters, cater only to Jews, have special quasi-governmental standing. Additionally, because there is NO Israeli Constitution, the discretion entrusted to these various governmental ministries and institutions -- including over budget policies, the allocation of resources, and the implementation of laws - results in significant de facto discrimination of Israel's Palestinian citizens. A report issued by the Ministry of Interior confirmed that Arab municipalities received a fraction of the total funds allocated by the national government per resident to illegal settlements in the Occupied Territories and to development towns populated exclusively by Jews. Funds for special projects such as the renewal and development of neighborhoods and improvements in educational programs, services, and facilities are also disproportionately allocated to Jewish communities.

Since its inception, Israel has maintained a discriminatory policy of land expropriation, adversely affecting Palestinian land and housing rights. In 1965, the National Planning and Building Law retroactively re-zoned lands on which many Arab villages sat as "non-residential." As a result, despite the existence of these villages prior to the establishment of Israel, they were afforded - and continue to possess - no official status. These "unrecognized" Arab villages receive no government services, and residents are denied the ability to build homes and other public buildings. The authorities use a combination of house demolitions, land confiscation, denial of basic services, and restrictions on infrastructure development to dislodge residents from these villages.

The post-Oslo period has also been characterized by a substantial decline in economic stability of the Palestinian minority - And US policy towards Israel has failed to address Israel's discrimination against its Palestinian citizens. Oslo completely neglected discrimination against, and led to a worsening of the economic and social status of Arab-Israelis. Prior to the uprising in the Occupied Territories, the Palestinian community already faced a high rate of unemployment, which compounds the ill effects of discrimination. The poverty statistics for the Palestinian minority are equally chilling, as after social security payments, 37.6% of Palestinian citizens of Israel remained below the poverty line in 1998-1999.

SOURCE
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xingu
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 08:43 am
Quote:
Homosexuality Defeated Israel in Lebanon
by James Dunnigan
September 2, 2006
Discussion Board on this DLS topic

Arabs are looking for reasons why Israeli infantry did not wipe out Hizbollah gunmen in Lebanon. Hamas spokesman Abu Oudai, who commands elements of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades on the West Bank, has attributed Hizbollah's "victory" in Lebanon to the fact that the Israeli army is "full of gay soldiers and full of corruption and with old-fashioned war methods." Laughing It is true that gay troops serve openly in the IDF, but there appears to be no apparent ill-effects on discipline or morale. And the IDF is certainly not corrupt; it's probably one of the least corrupt military organizations in the world. But Oudai may have a point about "old-fashioned war methods," since the Israelis failed to engage in vigorous Information War operations. That includes pointing out that Israelis killed enemy troops more efficiently in Lebanon than in previous Arab-Israeli wars. Some Arab analysts noted that, but they have been encouraged to keep silent for the moment.

Meanwhile, the Lebanese army is performing as predicted. Despite a desire on the part of most senior Lebanese military personnel to wipe out Hizbollah, they're unwilling to actually take aggressive action. The Lebanese Army is poorly trained and ill-equipped. Even small arms ammunition is in short supply. Hizbollah is superior on all three counts. In addition, senior officers are concerned about the loyalties of the many (nearly 40 percent) Shia troops in the ranks.

All that may change if European peacekeepers show up. But the Rules of Engagement (ROE) for the proposed UN peacekeeping force is what's keeping most countries from committing themselves. Feeble ROE has almost always been a problem for peacekeeping troops. That's because the UN does not want to be seen as an organization that can effectively make war. This makes many UN members nervous. So the UN is resisting sending peacekeepers who have permission to fight. But on those rare occasions when vigorous ROE have been established (Congo, 1960-1964; Sierra Leone, 2000; a few others), problems have generally been resolved very quickly by decisive military action. Initial offers of large numbers of troops by Western nations was predicated on vigorous ROE, to permit the peacekeepers to use whatever force is necessary to insure the disarmament of Hezbollah in accordance with Security Council resolutions. This is being successfully resisted by Arab and Moslem nations.
SOURCE
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 08:50 am
Arabs discriminate against Israelies by killing as many Israelies as they can.

Israelies discriminate against Arabs by killing as many of the Arabs, who either kill Israelies or harbor killers of Israelies, as they can.

One way for the Israelies to end such discrimination is to kill all Arabs not just the ones they think kill Israelies or harbor the killers of Israelies.

On the otherhand, if Arabs were to stop killing as many Israelies as they can, the Israelies would be robbed of any justification for killing any Arabs.

Gad, we cannot let that happen .... can we? Rolling Eyes
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 09:13 am
To those who think Israel is the devil incarnate:

http://www.bluestarpr.com/docs/arab.jpg

I cannot personally vouch for the website, but the information presented squares with what I have read elsewhere:

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Contrary to propaganda and to what many believe, the Arabs in Israel are full-fledged citizens, enjoy every right, have the same status in law as Jewish Israelis, and can freely move all over the country without fear of being harassed, attacked, or killed. That's quite in contrast to the mortal dangers to which Jews are subjected when they venture into predominately Arab areas even within Israel proper. In summary, they enjoy the highest standards of living and liberty of any Arabs in the Middle East. In a recent poll, 70% of Israel's Arabs declared that they identified with and felt loyalty to the Palestinians, and not to the state of Israel. Significantly, however, the same percentage (70%) declared that they would much prefer to live in Israel than in any other country in the area. And who can blame them? Life is so much better for them, so much more prosperous than it would be any place else. It is instructive and sobering to compare the condition of the approximately one million Arabs in Israel with that of the pitiful remnants of Jewry in Arab countries. Jews have been living in Arab countries for almost 2,000 years. Under Arab dominance, they were always third-class citizens and subject to harassment and persecution. There were about 900,000 Jews in Arab countries in 1946 -- now there are fewer than 25,000. But there are now over one million Arabs in Israel, many more than after the exodus in 1948 -- a manifold increase. That alone would seem to prove that things can not be all that bad for Arabs in Israel.

http://www.factsandlogic.org/ad_08.html

Israeli candidates even court the Arab vote that makes up 12% of the electorate:
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9605/22/israel/

Arabs are allowed to dissent and protest (peacefully) in Israel
http://www.dawn.com/2002/12/17/int18.htm

Arabs hold seats in the Knesset. How many Jews do you think are represented in governments in other Arab countries? Some Arabs in the Knesset aren't even friendly to Israel.
http://www.themiddleeastnow.com/news/israeliarabvote.html

Israel is well aware that it must depend on itself for its own defense. The UN isn't going to do it for them.
http://www.science.co.il/Arab-Israeli-conflict/Articles/AIPAC-2002-05-20.asp

http://www.acpr.org.il/publications/policy-papers/pp016-xs.html
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