ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

Set, you do manage to find a few nits. Too bad you are almost always wrong on the issue at hand.

If you contend that i'm wrong, then you need simply demonstrate as much.

Tell me again about the 1956 war, i get a kick out of your fractured fairy tales . . .

There really wasn't a war in 1956. Moreover, nothing I said was incorrect.

You seem to get off on finding nits, such as Okie's alleged error concerning Hez rocketing. You must have hit Okie a dozen times on this alleged nit. I guess finding a nit is the highlight of your life.

You said this:



And this is incorrect. Israel's responses have made Hezbollah stronger than ever in the eyes of the Arabs.

Cycloptichorn

You said that the Israelis attacked the Suez Canal, that was incorrect. You said, first, that Egypt had not attacked Israel, and then that Israel was responding to Egyptian attacks--one of those statements (appearing in two consecutive sentences) was incorrct, but it's hard to know what you believe when you contradict yourself so obviously. You stated that the Israeli invasion of Egyptian territory was "transitory," and then wrote of them "trekking" across Egyptian territory. One of those statements was incorrect, and it was the one about "transitory." Driving armored columns to the extreme southern end of the Sinai Penninsula is a lot more like "trekking" than transitory.

My remarks about rockets had absolutely nothing to do with Okie. Once again, you demonstrate your flair for getting so many things wrong. Fox claimed that Hezbollah had launched "thousands" of rockets before any "massive military response" by Israel. I did repeatedly ask her for evidence that that were so. She never provided any.

The contradictions are only in your literalistic mind. My statements were basically correct.

Your taking everything literally, and being such a nit picker, it is virtually impossible to have an adult discussion with you. You are obviously a difficult and unpopular person.

Yeah, i'm pretty unpopular . . . jokers like you keep throwing electrons at me . . . ouch!

It may not have occured to you, but this ain't no popularity contest.

By the way, i've never seen you make a basically correct statement about Israel and the situation in the middle east yet. I've seen you busy on your manure spreader, though.

Finally, when you say that Egypt did not attack Israel, and then, in the immediately succeeding sentence say that Israel was responding to Egyptian attacks--that's a contradiction, literally. Get over it.

Set, your reading comprehension is atrocious. What I said about 1956 was there was no triggering Egyptian attack. However, Egypt HAD mounted terroristic-type in the past. Egypt and Israel were in a state of war. You constantly misquote people.

Set, let me help you out on the PLO. See:

http://www.aolsvc.worldbook.aol.com/wb/Article?id=ar411250&st=%22palestine+liberation+organization%22

That's a lie. What you write above is not what you wrote previosly. Additionally, your accusation that Egypt had "mounted terroristic-type" (one assumes you mean attacks) in the past is without foundation. Even the Israelis didn't make that claim, and this has already been pointed out to you. It is hilarious, though, to see you claim that someone else has a reading comprehension problem.

This is your original post--you don't mention any such thing as a "triggering" attack. When you say that Israel was not directly responding to Egyptian attacks in 1956, did you mean they were responding to such attacks in 1955? Maybe in 1954? The Suez Crisis erupted in November, 1956. Do you contend that Israel waited more than ten months to respond to Egyptians attacks? You post confused and ill-informed drivel. Israel did not at any time contend that they had been attacked by Egypt. They initially occupied the city of Gaza because they claimed that Egypt supported guerilla attacks by Palestinians in Gaza.

You can't keep your story straight, you can't express youself well, you lack reading comprehension, and you don't know jack-**** about history.

Cyclo, I think Advocate's allegation is consistent with numerous news reports I've encountered since the armistice was declared.

However, I generally don't trust the sources of these reports based on their prior pseudology, so I'll wait and see if they are correct this time.

I don't need your silly AOL-sponsored site to inform me about Fatah.

As pointed out at this site of the Naval Post-Graduate School, Fatah is a part of the PLO, it is not the totality of the PLO. My original criticism of your naive and ill-informed statement stands.

Cutting the Gordian Knot in Palestine:

While calling on Israel to end the embargo of Gaza, Kofi Annan went to Ramallah, and called for a unity government among the Palestinians. Personally, i think he's dead on--only a unified Palestinian government is going to be in a position to negotiate with the Israelis.

Annan voices support for Palestinian Unity government

By Wafa Amr and Mohammed Assadi

RAMALLAH, West Bank (Reuters) - U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan on Wednesday voiced support for the formation of a Palestinian unity government that Palestinian leaders hope could ease foreign sanctions imposed after Hamas won elections.

"This is a very important process," he said after meeting President Mahmoud Abbas, who has renewed efforts to create a partnership between his Fatah movement and the governing Hamas militant group.

Clearly, a policy of containment is not perfect. For more than a year now, Ican has been successfully contained withint the boundaries of a single designated thread. But there's slippage.

It might be less expensive in the long run to go on offense and confront him directly, before he develops the technology and will to attack other threads.

Cycloptichorn

(just what I'd been thinking)


Checking in to see how WW III is working out for everyone.

The Lobby and the Israeli Invasion of Lebanon: Their Facts and Ours

By James Petras

08/30/06 "Information Clearing House" -- -- All the national, state and local Jewish organizations have launched a $300 million fundraising and propaganda campaign in support of the 21 Jewish civilians and 116 soldiers killed during the Israeli invasion of Lebanon (but not the 18 Israeli Arabs who were excluded from Jews-only bomb shelters). As adjuncts of the Israeli foreign office not a single one of the 52 organizations which make up The Presidents of the Major Jewish Organizations in the US voiced a single public criticism of Israel's massive destruction of civilian homes, hospitals, offices, supermarkets, refugee convoys and churches and mosques, and the deliberate killing of civilians, UN peacekeepers and rescue workers with precision bombing. On the contrary the entire Jewish lobby echoed in precise detail the Israeli lies that the Lebanese deaths were caused by the Lebanese resistance's "use of human shields", despite the total devastation of the heavily populated southern suburbs of Beirut, completely out of range of any Hezbollah rockets.

The magnitude of the Jewish Lobby's cover-up of Israel's massive military assault can be measured in great detail.

The Israeli Armed Forces (IDF) launched 5,000 missiles, 5-ton bunker-buster bombs and cluster bombs as well as anti-personnel phosphorus bombs each day into Lebanon for 27 days - totaling over 135,000 missiles, bombs and artillery shells. During the last 7 days of the war Israel launched 6,000 bombs and shells per day - over 42,000, for a grand total of 177,000 over a heavily populated territory the size of the smallest state in the US. In contrast, the Lebanese national resistance launched 4,000 rockets during the entire 34-day period, an average of 118 per day. The ratio was 44 to 1 - without mentioning the size differentials, the long-term killing effects of the thousands of un-exploded cluster bombs (nearly 50 killed or maimed since the end of hostilities) and Israel's scorched earth military incursion.

The Jewish Lobbyists publish the number of Israel's civilian dead as 41, forgetting to mention that only 23 were Jews, the remaining 18 were members of Israel's Arab Muslim and Christian minority who constitute around 20% of the population. The disproportionate number of Israeli Arabs killed was a result of the Israeli government policy of providing shelters and siren warning systems to Jews and ignoring the security needs of its Arab citizens. The proportion of civilian deaths to soldiers was 41 to 116 or 26% of the total Israeli dead (but if we only consider Jewish Israelis and IDF members the proportion 23 to 116 or 16% of the Jewish dead were civilian.) Clearly the Lebanese resistance was aiming most of its fire at the invading IDF. In contrast, in Lebanon, of the 1,181 so far known to have been killed, 1088 were civilians and only 93 were fighters. In other words 92% of the Lebanese dead were civilians -over three times the rate of civilians killed by the Lebanese resistance and almost 6 times the rate of Jewish civilians killed (the only ones who count in the Lobby's propaganda machine). To put it more bluntly: over 47 Lebanese civilians were slaughtered for each Jewish Israeli civilian death.

The Jewish Lobby's claims of Israeli moral and military superiority in the Middle East - which is paradoxically combined with warnings that Israel's survival is at stake - has been shredded to tatters as a result of their failure to annihilate Hezbollah.

The Lobby's echoing Israeli military claims of the invincibility of the Israeli armed forces is largely based on their ?'fighting' against rock throwing Palestinian school kids. Today it is clear that they are quite vulnerable when faced with well-armed, veteran Lebanese guerrilla fighters. According to a United Nation Report, from June 26 to August 26, 2006, Israel killed 202 Palestinians, 44 of whom were small children, while losing 1 soldier; while in Lebanon, Israel lost 116 soldiers to 93 Lebanese fighters in 34 days (almost half the time). In other words, 157 times more Israeli's were killed as a result of the Lebanese invasion in one month - than died in Palestine in 2 months (United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, August 26, 2006). The Jewish Lobby's propaganda campaign in the US Congress, throughout the mass media and even in our small communities in defense of Israel's "Summer Rain" (raining bombs on civilians) against the Palestinians has been thoroughly exposed as a murderous scorched earth policy by the United Nations Report and summarized in the Israeli daily Haaretz (August 27, 2006). According to Haaretz: "The (campaign)…is still taking a severe toll on 1.4 million Palestinians…thousands of Palestinians have been forced to flee their homes following continuing IDF incursions into the Strip (Gaza) and heavy shelling…the Israeli Air Force has conducted 247 aerial assaults in Gaza…more than a million people have been left with no regular supply of water and electricity." The Lobby, like skilled totalitarians, reverses the roles calling the Palestinian victims (all 202 of them) terrorists and the executioners (the Israeli Defense Force) victims (1 dead soldier who was most likely killed by ?'friendly fire').

George Orwell would have written a scathing essay on the Lobby's version of Israel's Animal Farm where one Israeli death is worth more than 202 Palestinians.

In surveying the Daily Alert, the propaganda sheet prepared by the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs (a semi-official propaganda arm of the Israeli regime) for the Conference of Presidents of Major America Jewish Organizations (CPMAJO), there is not a single mention of the fact that the Jewish state was killing almost 10 Lebanese civilians for each fighter, while the Hezbollah resistance was killing four times as many Israeli soldiers as Israeli civilians (Jews and Gentiles). Not a single opinion article, editorial or commentary reproduced by the Daily Alert, from the Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, The National Telegraph, the New York Sun, USA Today, Boston Globe, New York Times, Haaretz, The Jerusalem Post or The Times (UK) mentions the fact that Israel's much ballyhooed ?'precision' bombing succeeded in targeting civilians, while the Lebanese defenders' far less sophisticated weaponry mainly hit IDF invaders.

These omissions by the Jewish Lobby and its members and supporters in the Anglo-American-Israeli respectable and yellow press and electronic media were absolutely necessary to perpetuate the myth the Israel was waging a ?'defensive', ?'existential' (sic) war for ?'survival' against Islamic ?'terrorists' embodied in Hezbollah and the Lebanese National Resistance.

Was Israel's destruction of 15,000 homes up to Beirut and beyond to Northern Lebanon defensive actions as the CPMAJO claims? Do these very smart, very wealthy, highly educated Princeton, Yale, Harvard, Hopkins and Chicago-educated Jewish apologists for the Israeli invasion really believe that bombing hospitals, supermarkets, water treatments plants, churches and mosques in Southern Lebanon, oil refineries and milk, food and pharmaceutical factories in Beirut, transport, highways and bridges in Northern Lebanon were ?'existential' acts essential for the survival of the ?'Jewish State'? Can't they understand the simple math presented above? The math of genocide? Do the investment bankers, professors, dentists and armies of rabbis of all Talmudic readings believe that Israel is the innocent victim of aggression - justifying the slaughter of over 90% Lebanese civilians among those it killed? Such well-educated professionals must know that from January 1996 to August 2006, there were weekly incidents all along the Israeli-Lebanese border, involving Israeli raids, killings and kidnapping of Lebanese civilians, as well as rocket firing in both directions. Didn't the Hollywood moguls who gave so generously to the Israeli war machine know that Elliott Abrams, President Bush's chief adviser on the Middle East (stern defender of Jewish purity and intimate collaborator with the Israeli high command) gave full support in early summer to an Israeli plan to destroy Hezbollah, at least one month before the border incident (see S. Hersh, New Yorker, August 21, 2006)?

Of course the educated elites know all about the Israeli lust for power and dominance…Unlike the good Germans in the 1940's, who claimed they didn't see the smoking chimneys or the grim trains, today images of devastated apartments and slaughtered children were visible, easily accessible and followed by well-publicized reports by all the human rights groups on Israel's crimes against humanity. They knew and supported Israel's crimes before and after the ceasefire - and they proudly chose to endorse the war, the policies and the state as true accomplices after the fact.

Yet the Jewish Lobby tells us that Hezbollah's kidnapping of two soldiers across the Israeli border was the detonator for a full-scale invasion. Numerous sources around the world even dispute the Israeli account of a Hezbollah cross-border attack. According to the big business US magazine Forbes (July 12, 2006), the French news service AFP (July 12, 2006), the respectable Asia Times (July 15, 2006) and the Lebanese police, the Israeli soldiers were captured within Lebanon in the area of Ai'tu Al-Chaarb, a Lebanese village a few kilometers from the Israeli border.

While the Jewish lobby raises funds exclusively for Israeli-Jewish soldiers and civilians, Hezbollah is engaged in a non-sectarian reconstruction program that embraces all Lebanese communities and households, regardless of religious or ethnic preferences. The reason is found in the fact that the Lebanese resistance was a national movement. Contrary to the Lobby's propaganda, the Lebanese resistance was not exclusively Shia or even Muslim in make-up. Israel's invasion managed to united Lebanon's factions in defense of their homeland. Of the 93 Lebanese fighters killed, 20% were from organizations other than Hezbollah, a point ignored by the Lobby's ideologues, who pursue Israel's policy of pushing the US to attack Iran, Syria and other Middle East states known to be hostile to Israel's hegemonic ambitions.

Consequences of Israeli War In both Israel and throughout the pro-Israel Jewish networks, the Israeli military's failure to achieve its goal of defeating and eliminating the Lebanese resistance, particularly Hezbollah, has had a major impact. In Israel, the major criticism of the Olmert-Perez regime and General Haluz from both soldiers and civilians is that the government was too weak - there was insufficient bombing, lack of sufficient ground troops and too much concern for Lebanese civilians. The cease-fire, they complained, was premature; the territory occupied was too limited. Likud and other parties in the Knesset called for the bombing of Syria and Iran.

While many US and Israeli progressives cited the ?'turmoil', ?'dissent' and harsh polemics in the aftermath of the war as typical of the ?'rough and tumble' of Israel's democracy, they ignored the savage militarist substance and ultra-rightwing direction of Israeli public opinion. The ?'who lost the war' polemics in Israel is basically anchored in preparations for a new, more violent attack on Lebanon and other adversaries of Israel.

This militaristic rage is manifested in the brutal daily assaults on the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank where Israeli warplanes bomb homes and ground forces assassinate and injure dozens of civilians - ?'existential' murders against stone-throwing schoolboys. Israel's rage has affected Jewish religious notables. The Rabbinical Council of America called for the Israeli military to re-evaluate its military rules of war in light of Hezbollah's "unconscionable use of civilians, hospitals, ambulances, mosques and the like as human shields", according to the Jerusalem Post August 21, 2006. The RCA and the modern Orthodox women's organization, Eminah, represent over one million US Jews. Their call to maximize civilian deaths in order to lessen the ?'risk' to ?'our' (Israeli Jewish) soldiers is in the finest spirit of Nazi chaplains egging on the Wehrmacht's scorched earth policy during World War Two. Their Israeli counterparts, Rabbis Eliyahu and Drori, echoed the RCA's ?'delicate criticisms' in more colorful and uninhibited terms: "Our corrupt military, which tells us that our soldiers must endanger their lives to protect enemy civilians, is the reason we lost the war", according to the gentle Rabbi Eliyahu, who sees all non-Jewish civilians opposing Israeli policy as enemies worthy of incineration. Not to be outdone, the good Rabbi Drori accused the rest of Western humanity as ?'anti-Semites' for being horrified at Israel's savage destruction. "Anti-Semites demand that we use Christian morality while our enemies act like barbarians," (Jerusalem Post, August 21, 2006). Apparently the killing and maiming of over a thousand Lebanese civilians, mostly women and children, does not satisfy this raging bull Rabbi.

Lest one think that these US and Israeli Rabbis are simply loose cannons or isolated psychopaths, three weeks earlier, one Rabbi Dov Lior, in the name of the Yesh Council of Rabbis (with hundreds of thousands of Israeli followers), announced that "when our enemies hold a baby in one hand and shoot us with the other, or when missiles are purposely aimed at civilian populations in the Land of Israel in blatant disregard for moral criteria, we are obligated to act according to Jewish morality, which dictates that ?'he who gets up to kill you, get up yourself and kill him first," (Jerusalem Post August 25, 2006). The Holy men of the Holy Land are providing a post-factum religious blessing for the more than three hundred Lebanese children killed and urging the future killing of even more children. All this we are told is according to ?'Jewish morality'. Surely many US Jews, especially liberals and even conservatives, object to rabbinical fiats for the slaughter of children, but we are deafened by their polite silence. The Lobby conveniently ignores the Jewish morality spiel, even as it defends the ?'moderate' secular line of Israeli civilian deaths resulting from Hezbollah using Lebanese babies and old grannies as shields to commit their crimes. So we have a raging debate among the US and Israeli rabbis, and secular and religious apologists over whether killing Lebanese civilians and children is based on tactical military or religious-ethical considerations.

The Executive Director of the American Jewish Committee, David A. Harris, puts to the lie the nasty bit of propaganda by the US ?'Left' Zionists downplaying the role of the Jewish Lobby in securing whole-hearted US White House and Congressional support for Israel's destruction of Lebanon. In discussing US subservience to Israel, Harris stated, "No other nation has been prepared to define such an intimate relationship with Israel in all bilateral spheres - from arms sales, foreign aid and intelligence-sharing to a free-trade zone, scientific co-operation and diplomatic support. No other nation has the capacity, by dint of its size and stature, to help ensure Israel's quest for a secure and lasting peace (sic)…In the recent conflict with Hezbollah, once again the United States demonstrated its willingness to stand by Israel, provide vital support and withstand the pressure of many US allies who would have wished for an earlier end to the fighting even if it meant keeping Hezbollah largely intact and in place…Whatever the primary factor, there can be no doubt that American Jewry is an essential element of the equation (yoking the US to Israel). This is all the more reason why American Jewry need to work day in and day out to ensure that the mutually beneficial link (sic) goes from strength to strength," (Jerusalem Post August 25, 2006).

In plain English, the Jewish networks and lobbies were able to secure 98% support from Congress for a resolution supporting Israel's invasion of Lebanon, even as 54 percent Democrats and 39% Republicans favor a policy of neutrality as opposed to alignment with Israel (Times-Bloomberg Poll July25-August 1, 2006, published in the Jewish Telegraph Agency - August 15, 2006). The Lobby convinced, pressured and threatened the White House to prolong the Israeli terror bombing as Harris so proudly announced. The Jewish Lobby does work ?'day in and day out' to make sure that Israel can ethnically cleanse Palestine, drop 5-ton bombs on Lebanese apartment buildings, bulldoze villages and isolate the US from even its closest allies at the expense of the US taxpayers, our democratic ideals and our sovereignty. And the American Jewish Committee has the chutzpah (arrogance) to say that it is ?'our mutually beneficial link'. Now that is a bit of political dishonesty!

James Petras, a former Professor of Sociology at Binghamton University, New York, owns a 50 year membership in the class struggle, is an adviser to the landless and jobless in brazil and argentina and is co-author of Globalization Unmasked (Zed). His new book with Henry Veltmeyer, Social Movements and the State: Brazil, Ecuador, Bolivia and Argentina was published in 2005.