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ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

 
 
Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 12:33 pm
blueflame1 wrote:
Advocate, it's terrible how the news is manipulated and controlled. I'd love to watch "Hezbollah TV" and Al Jazeera too. We should have a far wider access to news. But then we'd be a lot less dumbed down and how could the Bushies spin in a fair and balanced environment?


In your opinion, should we allow al Qaeda to establish terrorist training camps in the United States?
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 12:35 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
Advocate wrote:
Blue, it is terrible how those Hez guys are being persecuted.


Not to mention their 1st Amendment rights to free speech are being trampled. Where's the ACLU when you need it?


Presently busy filling their research work from assisting Rush Limbaugh's case and with their present work supporting Barr and Phyllis Shafley re Patriot Act extensions?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 12:40 pm
blatham wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Advocate wrote:
Blue, it is terrible how those Hez guys are being persecuted.


Not to mention their 1st Amendment rights to free speech are being trampled. Where's the ACLU when you need it?


Presently busy filling their research work from assisting Rush Limbaugh's case and with their present work supporting Barr and Phyllis Shafley re Patriot Act extensions?


Where are their priorities? We've got terrorists whose Constitutional rights are being abridged!
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 12:48 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
blatham wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Advocate wrote:
Blue, it is terrible how those Hez guys are being persecuted.


Not to mention their 1st Amendment rights to free speech are being trampled. Where's the ACLU when you need it?


Presently busy filling their research work from assisting Rush Limbaugh's case and with their present work supporting Barr and Phyllis Shafley re Patriot Act extensions?


Where are their priorities? We've got terrorists whose Constitutional rights are being abridged!


True enough. I'll write them.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 01:13 pm
ican711nm wrote:
THE CHRONOLOGY


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Eventually comes a temporary armistice occassionally violated by Hezbolla continuing to arm itself and Israel's military attempting to stop Hezbolla from continuing to arm itself.

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Eventually comes Question

ANOTHER QUESTION

Why did Hezbollah shoot rockets into Israeli non-combatant neighborhoods?

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BernardR
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 01:20 pm
Ticomaya- As a friendly warning- When Heart Patients are harrassed too much, they may relapse. Please be compassionate!!!
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BernardR
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 01:22 pm
Ican711mn- The explanation is that many in Europe and Canada are reflexive Anti-Semites. Many of them would have done very well in the SS herding Jews on to the trains!!!
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 01:28 pm
ican711nm wrote:
Why did Hezbollah shoot rockets into Israeli non-combatant neighborhoods?


Because they're terrorists, Ican. It's what they do.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 01:29 pm
Why did Israel, in contravention of International Law, drop cluster bombs into civilian neighborhoods? Because it is what they do.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 01:34 pm
blatham wrote:
Why did Israel, in contravention of International Law, drop cluster bombs into civilian neighborhoods?


Because that's where the terrorists were hiding?
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 01:35 pm
A passenger on board the sinking Titantic was heard to say, "It ain't my boat. Let it sink! ... What? ... You say there ain't no more life boats? Somebody ought to do something! Don't they know that water out there is cold as hell?"

Victor Davis Hanson-- 8/18/06 wrote:
Hope Amid Despair?
A reluctant world begins to confront reality.

[Hanson is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and author of A War Like No Other. How the Athenians and Spartans Fought the Peloponnesian War. KMJ]


Pessimism is now the conventional wisdom about the wars in the Middle East, and, indeed, it is hard to find any good news in the recent ceasefire.

Syria and Iran stage celebrations as news emerges from the ruins of southern Lebanon revealing just how well-armed Hezbollah was — and how impotent the Lebanese "government" really is. The only suspense remaining is whether the United Nations peacekeeping force or the Lebanese army will prove the most craven in giving Hezbollah a green light to rearm and terrorize.

The old Arab agenda of recapturing "stolen" land has been superseded by a new Islamist jihad that is as fanatical as it is inhuman. The Islamists care not a whit for ground, but only for the abject destruction of the Jewish state and to finish the Holocaust that they claim did not take place. Few of the pundits now clamoring for "engagement" care to recall that Syria probably murdered Rafik Hariri, or that Iran promises to wipe Israel off the map.

The near criminal indifference of the international community is cause for greater depression still. No one says a thing about horrific Arab racism and anti-Semitism that brazenly offer the world pictures of our secretary of State as a primate and constant hate speech of Jews as apes and pigs. And here at home, a celebrity actor, the staff of a failed congresswoman in Georgia, and a crazed Muslim with a gun in Seattle all shout about the evils of the "Jews" — a good cross-section of just how insidious is the growing anti-Semitism.

The globalized media is absolutely discredited after the coverage of Lebanon. Reuters has destroyed its reputation, gained from 150 years of world reporting, by releasing doctored pictures and tolerating staged photo-ops. Almost all the Western media outlets failed to distinguish Lebanese civilian from military casualties — as if the Hezbollah terrorists they never filmed and never interviewed never died.

Indeed, thanks to the unprofessional reporters abroad, and their disingenuous chiefs back home, the world never saw the killers who sent the rockets nor many of their civilian victims on the ground in Israel. Nor did the reporters apprise their audience of the different landscapes in which they worked: candor in Israel might win loud disagreement; truth in Lebanon meant death. It would be as if Reuters, AP, or the New York Times embedded its reporters within the Waffen SS, beaming daily reports back home about the great morale and noble suffering of the Wehrmacht as it advanced into the snowy Ardennes.

There was greater lunacy still. Hezbollah bragged of the deadliness of its antitank rockets purchased with Iranian petrodollars — as if weapons that it can't fabricate or even maintain are signs of its own expertise.

In the world of southern Lebanon, terrorists celebrate their victory in the ruins of their bombed-out hideouts by setting off fireworks — as if to remind themselves of the fiery spectacle of more Israeli bombs. And then that craziness was topped by the Lebanese defense minister reminding the world that the Lebanese planned to renege on their responsibilities to disarm Hezbollah, whining that if Israel couldn't do it, how could the Lebanese — as true as it was surreal to confess.

Nasrallah, Assad, and Ahmadinejad blabbered ad nauseam about their newfound sense of "honor" and "pride," as if they were talking heads in some stale Viagra infomercial. Once more, the pathetic obsession of the Middle East with lost manhood is explicable by a society immersed in gender apartheid, patriarchy, and tribalism. It is as if the Middle East fundamentalist and dysfunctional family has been elevated to the national government, and then its resulting adolescent insecurities are aired for the long-suffering world.

Iran promised relief aid to Hezbollah — and, of course, immediately sent thousands of chadors.

Mike Wallace interviewed Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, pronounced him charming, but never quite got him to explain his promises to wipe Israel off the map, much less his role in the 1979 storming of the American embassy in Tehran, his conversations with the lost imam, or whether Osama bin Laden was ever given sanctuary in Iran. Instead, the fascistic Iranian president proved he's attuned to left-wing politics inside the United States: Howard Dean-like, he mouthed tired complaints about mythical high American unemployment and our poor health care!

Yet, all is not lost, since lunacy cuts both ways. Iran and Syria unleashed Hezbollah because they were both facing global scrutiny, one over nuclear acquisition and the other over the assassination of Lebanese reformer Rafik Hariri. Those problems won't go away for either of them — nor, if we persist, will the democratic fervor in Afghanistan and Iraq on their borders.

We still don't know the extent of the damage that Hezbollah suffered, but it perhaps took casualties ten times the Israelis' — losses — not to be dismissed even in the asymmetrical laws of postmodern warfare. Hezbollah's leaders were hiding in embassies and bunkers; Israel's were not. For all the newfound magnetism of Nasrallah, he brought ruin to his flock, and fright to the Arab establishment around Israel.

A surprised Israel now has a good glimpse of the terrorists' new way of war, and probably next time will attack the supplier, not the launcher, of the rocketry. And when the Reuters stringers go away, the "civilians" of southern Lebanon, off-camera, might not be so eager to see more real fireworks lighting up their skies — or far-off, pristine Syria and Iran in safety praising the courage of the ruined amid the rubble. Note how Hezbollah already is desperately racing around the craters to assure its homeless constituency that it has enough Iranian cash to buy back lost sympathies.

Even the ceasefire can come back to bite the Islamists and their supporters. Hezbollah won't be disarmed as promised, much less stay out of Katyusha range of the border. And that defiance will only reveal the impotence of the Lebanese and the U.N., reminding both that they have talked themselves into a corner and now are responsible to keep caged their own pet 7th-century vipers. This can only work to Israel's favor when the next rockets go off, since no one then will be proposing an "international" solution — although it will be interesting to see whether Jacques Chirac talks of the "nuclear" option once his soldiers begin to be picked off by Hezbollah.

In a larger sense, the foiled London terrorist plot won't endear either Islamists or their appeasers to millions in the world who face travel delays, cancelled flights, and body searches — on top of paying billions more to the Arab oil producers who in response whine even more in their victimhood.

As the cliché goes: the Middle East needs to wake up and disown Islamic fascism. Otherwise, insidiously the entire world is turning against it, as radical Islam proves to be every bit as frightening an ideology as German Nazism or Soviet Communism — whether this is ascertained from the use of human shields, tribal lynchings and beheadings, Joseph Goebbles-like propaganda, Holocaust-denial, racist rants, or primordial hatred of Jews.

Three years ago no one was talking about profiling at airports. Now the British are exploring how best to do it. Indeed, one of the stranger developments in recent memory is now taking place the world over: Young, Middle-Eastern, Muslim men are eyed and studied by passengers at every airport — even as governments still lecture about the evils of the very profiling that their own millions are doing daily. Muslims can thank al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, and an entire culture that won't condemn terrorism for such ostracism, which only increases with each suicide bomber, human shield, hijacking, kidnapping, and macabre reference to genocide and Jew-killing.

In an amorphous war of self-induced Western restraint, like the present one, truth and moral clarity are as important as military force. This past month, the world of the fascist jihadist and those who tolerate him was once again on display for civilization to fathom. Even the most timid and prone to appeasement in the West are beginning to see that it is becoming a question of "the Islamists or us."

In this eleventh hour, that is a sort of progress after all.
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BernardR
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 01:42 pm
Terrorists? Terrorists? The Hezbollah aren't terrorists, Ticomaya. They are murderous fanatical Islamo-Fascists who are waiting for the return of the Twelfth Imam after the Apocalypse.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 01:44 pm
blatham wrote:
Why did Israel, in contravention of International Law, drop cluster bombs into civilian neighborhoods? Because it is what they do.

Because bombing enemy combatants in civilian neighborhoods is what Israel does to defend its people, when enemy combatants shoot rockets at them from civilian neighborhoods.

By the way, Blatham, "in contravention" of what "International Law"?
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BernardR
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 01:46 pm
Thanks for the great article from Hansen, Ican. I read it carefully.Of course, none of the left will read it.

I read the following with great interest since none of the "brain damaged" left appear to know about this_


The globalized media is absolutely discredited after the coverage of Lebanon. Reuters has destroyed its reputation, gained from 150 years of world reporting, by releasing doctored pictures and tolerating staged photo-ops. Almost all the Western media outlets failed to distinguish Lebanese civilian from military casualties — as if the Hezbollah terrorists they never filmed and never interviewed never died.


"Doctored Pictures"

And the brain-damaged left has the audacity to claim that the infomation coming to us from Reuters was the real goods!!!
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 02:45 pm
ican711nm wrote:
blatham wrote:
Why did Israel, in contravention of International Law, drop cluster bombs into civilian neighborhoods? Because it is what they do.

Because bombing enemy combatants in civilian neighborhoods is what Israel does to defend its people, when enemy combatants shoot rockets at them from civilian neighborhoods.

By the way, Blatham, "in contravention" of what "International Law"?


A tad of research will answer that for you.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 02:56 pm
Transalation: He doens't have a clue.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 02:57 pm
Speaking of not having a clue, Fox, where is that evidence that Hezbollah launched "thousands" of missles at Israel before the IDF invaded?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 02:59 pm
Already answered, Setanta. Did you lose the coupon for that remedial reading school we recommended?
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 03:01 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Transalation: He doens't have a clue.


Nah. I've even posted it elsewhere here, but the data isn't hard to find. He can do the research work himself. So can you.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 03:01 pm
Fox, I think Set will bring that up the rest of your life.

Hez pretty quickly began launching their rockets. Lebanon sat back and did nothing while Hez accumulated and placed thousands of rockets.
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